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06-12-2005, 09:08 PM
Hans.Gruber

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Originally Posted by trance565

for sum reason, i wouldnt be surprised, but ... how did they get that camera angle? isnt the camera stationary?

That picture was taken using other camera, not the live cam.

This image is from the live cam, it's the same cooler.
http://koti.welho.com/pnystro2/somepics/cam5.jpg
06-12-2005, 11:08 PM
OC Detective

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hans.Gruber

I wonder are THG dummies trying to fry X2 with a wrong cooler ?

XE840 and X2 4800 coolers.
http://koti.welho.com/pnystro2/somep...00_coolers.jpg

X2 cooler at tomshardware..
http://koti.welho.com/pnystro2/somepics/cooling3.jpg

I wonder what they are thinking cos they fried several Intel MB's, but AMD keeps on running with a sempron cooler.. :rofl:

ps. this wasn't my find, but i don't remember who it was..
(probably mentioned in this thread).

Its an Ajigo MF043-044A cooler they are using (intended for Opterons).
http://www.ajigo.com/product/MF043-044.htm
06-13-2005, 12:01 AM
Gorgeous

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Originally Posted by FUGGER

I am not wrong, the heatsink that THG is using is one of the first designs and was shipped with a lot of retail CPU's

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/2005...tium_d-06.html

It clearly has no shroud. I have seen every sink design from Intel made since the 486.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=32192

This BTX case side is off a Intel reference machine.

http://www.peteredge.orcon.net.nz/casepics.htm

Is this the real Intel reference machine for the btx standard? ;)
06-13-2005, 12:33 AM
Hans.Gruber

I had wrong pic so
Here is X2 4800 boxed cooler
As we can see it is quite different from that THG's cooler.

edit: im getting confused with all these.. :(
06-13-2005, 08:46 AM
LilGator

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So what happened between 4 and 6 ?

AMD:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=32407&stc=1
iNTEL:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=32408&stc=1
06-13-2005, 09:12 AM
Lithan

Haha, I actually considered doing that a couple times. Once when we found 92mm fans for like 30cent each, again when we found those 10 for 10 80mm at newegg. But that guy's a moron. You don't need case cooling unless you are overclocking. :rolleyes:
06-13-2005, 11:04 AM
Hans.Gruber

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LilGator

So what happened between 4 and 6 ?

AMD:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=32407&stc=1
iNTEL:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=32408&stc=1

Maybe their streaming server crashed after it fried it's motherboard ? :rofl:

Sixth update.
.
They have added load balance stats, looks like they fooked again..

How the hell they count 35+40% to be 100% for the AMD system :confused:

edit:
Looks like cpu usage keeps on jumping for both, but AMD seems to have some issues with THG. :)
Maybe they don't know that scheduling apps manually don't have desired results ?
Well, what ever, it keeps on jumping up and down randomly..
06-14-2005, 02:19 AM
Ref

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AMD product is a production system and the Intel systems were still early samples

:rofl:
Intel released dual-core earlier than AMD and Intel's dual core is NOW in saled (AFAIK)...

BTW it is not AMD's fault on how are priorities managed, but Microsoft's, because windows is :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: ...
06-14-2005, 02:33 AM
Hans.Gruber

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref

Intel released dual-core earlier than AMD and Intel's dual core is NOW in saled

I read from few sites and magazines that AMD is behind Intel in dual core technology.. :wth:

Their must have some brown bits between their teeths. :eek:
06-14-2005, 02:55 AM
Ref

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hans.Gruber

I read from few sites and magazines that AMD is behind Intel in dual core technology.. :wth:

Their must have some brown bits between their teeths. :eek:

The technology AMD uses is WAY better than what Intel has with Smithfield. :fact:
06-14-2005, 03:34 PM
[G.N.U.]Fragman

amdX2 will have the throne until Yonah (dualcore dothan) appears at least...too bad the prices aint down to intel ground...
06-15-2005, 01:29 PM
Borgschulze

This is pathetic, there has been like 50 new motherboards in that Intel machine.
06-15-2005, 01:34 PM
Hans.Gruber

7th update. http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/index.html

They have disabled HT on Intel and it looks like it was helping Intel a lot previously.

This time Intel is behind at 3/4 tests including divx.
http://www.tomshardware.com/stresstest/charts.html
06-15-2005, 01:35 PM
Lithan

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Originally Posted by Borgschulze

This is pathetic, there has been like 50 new motherboards in that Intel machine.

We passed pathetic right around page two. Now it's kind of like watching an impotent hunchback trying to rape a chicken.
06-15-2005, 02:08 PM
STEvil

thats just wrong
06-15-2005, 03:02 PM
Absolute_0

lol this is hilarious
the sad thing is i still see people who question me when i recommend an AMD system
"Don't AMDs run too hot??"
I have to explain "no, no you've got it all wrong..."
06-15-2005, 03:26 PM
[XC] leviathan18

now the hilarious thing is that they disabled the HT on the intel system now check all the scores
06-15-2005, 03:30 PM
shadowing

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absolute_0

lol this is hilarious
the sad thing is i still see people who question me when i recommend an AMD system
"Don't AMDs run too hot??"
I have to explain "no, no you've got it all wrong..."

Exactly my dad's first response when I got my A64 rig. :D Proved him wrong with these temps. :)

Btw, this really does downgrade THG's reputation. Not to mention the fact, they don't get to seem logic very well...
06-15-2005, 06:48 PM
Zebo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absolute_0

lol this is hilarious
the sad thing is i still see people who question me when i recommend an AMD system
"Don't AMDs run too hot??"
I have to explain "no, no you've got it all wrong..."

LMAO then show them this: 59 watts for 3800 Venice vs. 162 watts for P4 670 under load !!!!

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/p...4-670/cons.png

Intel understates thier TDP, AMD over states it.

Another: Amd X2 4800 = 96W and Intel 840XE = 179W loaded.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/p...-840/power.png

Forgetabout it if you start clocking P4D's.. Say you clock that 840 to 3.8 Ghz.. well that's 2 x 670's above = 2 x 162W = 324W on just processor!!!
06-15-2005, 07:25 PM
MaxxxRacer

zebo thats some crazy stuff. who woulda though the load was so high on those pentum D's
06-15-2005, 07:36 PM
Zebo

WTFBBQHOTK!! There's a reason toms failed 12 boards other than stupidity which was 50%.. Fugger mentioned his board could not handle watts or he'd gone higher on his P4D. This forums is soon to be filled with people thinking they got a "bargian" getting a 820 and clocking it skyhigh, which they won't.. Most PSU's, most if not all mobos, and cooling other than phase won't handle it.
06-15-2005, 07:40 PM
Zebo

I'm interested in seeing FX-57 (SD) thermals and TDP's so we can gauge how much power a 4400@2800Mhz will use.. My guess is about 140W loaded when OC'ed like that since I think the FX-57 stock will use 70...

Anyway that's what I'm shooting for 2800Mhz X2 without the lights dimming or having to swap breakers in my BOX:D
06-15-2005, 07:51 PM
Absolute_0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebo

LMAO then show them this: 59 watts for 3800 Venice vs. 162 watts for P4 670 under load !!!!

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/p...4-670/cons.png

Intel understates thier TDP, AMD over states it.

Another: Amd X2 4800 = 96W and Intel 840XE = 179W loaded.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/p...-840/power.png

Forgetabout it if you start clocking P4D's.. Say you clock that 840 to 3.8 Ghz.. well that's 2 x 670's above = 2 x 162W = 324W on just processor!!!

Yeah, Intel is a real joke these days. But you'd be surprised how many people still think that Intel is much better. Many people who haven't been following processors lately are under the impression that AMDs are hot and unstable whereas Intels are state of the art. They think that if Dell uses only Intel, it must be good right? Hehe :p:
06-15-2005, 09:26 PM
Lithan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebo

LMAO then show them this: 59 watts for 3800 Venice vs. 162 watts for P4 670 under load !!!!

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/p...4-670/cons.png

Intel understates thier TDP, AMD over states it.

Another: Amd X2 4800 = 96W and Intel 840XE = 179W loaded.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/p...-840/power.png

Forgetabout it if you start clocking P4D's.. Say you clock that 840 to 3.8 Ghz.. well that's 2 x 670's above = 2 x 162W = 324W on just processor!!!

I have to say I agree with this. First AMD lists MAXIMUM, Intel lists TYPICAL. (To my understanding this is equivelent to a PSU's max sustained (typical) and peak (maximum) outputs). Second, my experience with Dothan (I refuse to even touch Prescott) shows this. @ 1.4v 2500mhz my dothan is heating up the Xp120 I have cooling it more than my Venice does @ 1.55v 2700mhz (both running small ftt's). Of course both run extremely cool. And when I go above 1.6v my venice see's an appreciable temp increase. (1.55 2700- 1.65 2800 =~ 8*C difference. I'm hoping/expecting that the dothan's temp wont change much as I increase voltage.

edit: Of course at Idle the dothan runs several degrees cooler. Intel's one thermal advantage.
06-15-2005, 09:48 PM
dippyskoodlez

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Originally Posted by Lithan

edit: Of course at Idle the dothan runs several degrees cooler. Intel's one thermal advantage.

which has little to no use if it is idle, 'less its a laptop. :p:

but are you comparing idle vs idle with cool'n'quiet and while the dothan is clocking down? because im sure both will be extremely close to ambient when used.

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