DFI NF4 Ultra/SLi-D BUGS and Fixes Thread

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03-02-2005, 05:53 PM
Zedex

That was basically what I was doing with my LE's. 2.5-4-3-7 with 3Volts for anything over 290. For some reason though I couldn't get over 300 even when upping the voltage. Had to drop the CAS to 3 in order to get any kind of stability. I think I need spend a bit more time tweaking other timings, maybe lax a few of them.

Did you find any certain tREF value worked better for them?
03-02-2005, 05:57 PM
sauria

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdzcpa

Those with BH5 should have flashed to BIOS 218 a long time ago. Start with ALL DRAM BIOS settings at Auto...ALL of them. Do NOT use Optimised Defaults right off the bat with BH5.

TCCD runs best at 2.5 4-3-7 on the DFI. Try it.

Memory requires active cooling over 2.9v (the whole area, not just the modules).

Only 24 pin PSUs need apply here.

Has everyone tried all this already. I finished my 5th DFI NF4 build last weekend. I ordered up parts for #6 today. This DFI board is not for the faint of heart, or for those that do not want to put the time into the BIOS or refuse to have top notch supporting hardware. Of the 5 builds Ive assembled, I used 3 with Gskill LE and 2 with LA. All had top end 24 pin PSUs, used both supplemental mobo power connectors, and had active cooling over the memory area when running 2.9v and above. All on BETA BIOS 218. All BIOSes manually tweaked.

Hope this helps someone.

Good to hear -- how stable are your systems built this way in continuous use?
03-02-2005, 06:02 PM
sauria

Quote:

Originally Posted by wampir

Does anyone have Antec True Power 480W with dfi ultra-D and x800xt or 6800GT@ultra A64 2.7ghz ??
Is it enough ?? Cause I dont wanna change my psu again

Nope, that's living dangerously low power. How many amps on the 12V rail?
03-02-2005, 06:16 PM
mdzcpa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zedex

Did you find any certain tREF value worked better for them?

Your set up is very close to my "standard" build. It is likely that choice of components is critical.

I use a tREF of 3684 or 4708.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauria

Good to hear -- how stable are your systems built this way in continuous use?

All of these rigs are 24/7 use. They breakout as follows:

1. My own "prototype" which is a pure gaming rig - #3 on the ORB in '03 and '05 - I can game for hours on end without issue at 298 x 11 - I bench with stability at 318 x 10. I run 24/7 lower to keep the voltage down.

2. A build for a buddy - runs 24/7 at 300 x 9 with an AMD3800+. Heavy gaming mostly.

3, 4, 5. Client builds - Gaming and general purpose rigs. All Run 290-292 x 9 with an AMD 3500+. No warranty calls yet:)
03-02-2005, 10:26 PM
Juspriss

Quote:

Originally Posted by :banana::banana::banana:in

With that set up, and AS5, the top card idles 47C, load 78C. Max stable O/C 428/1158. I'll slap a waterblock on soon!

Mhmmm... ok ;).
Maybe with some 120x120 it will go on 45-70 :D .

Are you going to use water for VGAs & CPU? :confused:
Nice move! :cool:
03-03-2005, 03:18 AM
funkflix

Hello,

i have a problem. I can't give more then 3,8V Vdimm or the Pc gives me an BSOD while booting into Win., with 3,8V i have no problem!

What do u think is the problem, the Mushkins, the Board or the Bios(25/01)?

Greets. :)
03-03-2005, 04:13 AM
laserbeam

All,
I'm having some surprising issues with my memory (Corsair 4400C25PT). I'm finding that when I try to test the memory at it's certified ratings (DDR550 2.5-4-4-8, vdimm 2.8V) and with the CPU turned down to anything above 5.5xFSB I get errors (test number 8) in memtest86 v1.51.

I've tried adjusting vdimm to 2.9 with no result. I assumed this is down to CPU voltage issues but raising CPU voltage doesn't affect things either - though why should it! I've tried running the memeory at DDR400 2-2-2-5 with CPU multi reduced to 8.0 and things run smoothly. However, at stock cpu multiplier I get errors. These timings are tight for this mem though so I'm not too surprised. Then again, the memory would fail at any cpu speed if it couldn't handle the timings wouldn't it?

Can someone explain why I need to turn down my CPU speed so much to get my memory through memtest86? Is this a bug/issue with the mobo? I'm beginning to think it is.

Any help/guidance will be greatly appreciated.

My system spec is:
Lian-Li V2000
AMD 3200+ Winnie/XP-120 Cooler/Vantech Stealth 120mm
DFI NForce4 Sli-D
1GB dual channel Corsair 4400C25PT
GeForce 6800GT
OCZ Powerstream 600W PSU
WD Raptor 74GB System Disk
WD Caviar 250GB Data Disk
03-03-2005, 04:14 AM
mdzcpa

Quote:

Originally Posted by GravediggA

Hello,

i have a problem. I can't give more then 3,8V Vdimm or the Pc gives me an BSOD while booting into Win., with 3,8V i have no problem!

What do u think is the problem, the Mushkins, the Board or the Bios(25/01)?

Greets. :)

First and foremost, the BIOS is an issue. If those Mushkins are BH5 you need to flash to official 2/09 at a minumium. 2/18 beta wuld be best.

Next, there is no garuantee of stability when you're pumping that high of Vdimm.
03-03-2005, 04:20 AM
funkflix

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdzcpa

First and foremost, the BIOS is an issue. If those Mushkins are BH5 you need to flash to official 2/09 at a minumium. 2/18 beta wuld be best.

Next, there is no garuantee of stability when you're pumping that high of Vdimm.

Yes they are BH5, and the 1/15 works fine so far, just the 3,8V+ issue. I can reach 285 1:1 with the 3,8V setting(3,77V), but i want to go a bit higher, maybe i can get an new WR for 2 x 512MB BH5, but anyway, nobody can tell me whats the current WR for it. ;)

I will try a other Bios if i need it! Thx anyway! :cool:
03-03-2005, 04:20 AM
mdzcpa

Quote:

Originally Posted by laserbeam

Can someone explain why I need to turn down my CPU speed so much to get my memory through memtest86?

Remember, the memory controller resides on the CPU. If the CPU cannot handle the RAM speed/timings is doesn't matter what the RAM is rated for.

Make sure you have flashed to the latest BIOS.

Also, you'll need to try other timings...forget what the modules are rated for....there are too many other variables. What memory chips come on the 4400?
03-03-2005, 04:22 AM
mdzcpa

Quote:

Originally Posted by GravediggA

Yes they are BH5, and the 1/15 works fine so far, just the 3,8V+ issue. I can reach 285 1:1 with the 3,8V setting(3,77V), but i want to go a bit higher

Wow...your doing great then :toast: 285 1:1 on BH5 is nice!
03-03-2005, 04:24 AM
funkflix

Thx! :toast:

I think i'm very lucky with this pair of Mushkins. :up:

http://www.weber-steuerungstechnik.de/felix/bh5285.jpg
03-03-2005, 04:25 AM
gundamit

Quote:

Originally Posted by GravediggA

I can reach 285 1:1 with the 3,8V setting

Wow. Any chance we could get a look at all the bios memory settings for your 2x512 BH-5? :)
03-03-2005, 04:30 AM
laserbeam

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdzcpa

Remember, the memory controller resides on the CPU. If the CPU cannot handle the RAM speed/timings is doesn't matter what the RAM is rated for.

Make sure you have flashed to the latest BIOS.

Also, you'll need to try other timings...forget what the modules are rated for....there are too many other variables. What memory chips come on the 4400?

You're referring to hypertransport, right? For most of my testing I've jeft it at set at auto. However, I've also tried it at 3xFSB without success.

I'm running with the 0102 bios right now.

The modules in my RAM are TCCD.

Thanks for getting back so quick. I've asked this question on another forum and just got silence ;)
03-03-2005, 04:31 AM
funkflix

I have all Timings @ Auto in Bios, i have some trouble if i change something! All Timings get changed on startup with A64Tweaker! :)

Here is an Screen of the Timings i use:

http://www.weber-steuerungstechnik.de/tweakernew.jpg
03-03-2005, 04:51 AM
mdzcpa

Quote:

Originally Posted by laserbeam

You're referring to hypertransport, right? For most of my testing I've jeft it at set at auto. However, I've also tried it at 3xFSB without success.

I'm running with the 0102 bios right now.

The modules in my RAM are TCCD.

Thanks for getting back so quick. I've asked this question on another forum and just got silence ;)

Flash to BIOS to 218 (latest beta)

Set the HyperTransport to x4.

Set EVERYTHING on the DRAM Settings page to AUTO and run the following timings manually 2.5-4-7-3. Run Vdimm at 2.9v to 3v.

What I was referring to is that the memory controller is part of the CPU. So when you have memory troubles, it can either be the ram or the cpu.
03-03-2005, 04:53 AM
sauria

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdzcpa

Your set up is very close to my "standard" build. It is likely that choice of components is critical.

I use a tREF of 3684 or 4708.

All of these rigs are 24/7 use. They breakout as follows:

1. My own "prototype" which is a pure gaming rig - #3 on the ORB in '03 and '05 - I can game for hours on end without issue at 298 x 11 - I bench with stability at 318 x 10. I run 24/7 lower to keep the voltage down.

2. A build for a buddy - runs 24/7 at 300 x 9 with an AMD3800+. Heavy gaming mostly.

3, 4, 5. Client builds - Gaming and general purpose rigs. All Run 290-292 x 9 with an AMD 3500+. No warranty calls yet:)

Very nice -- success!
03-03-2005, 05:08 AM
mdzcpa

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauria

Very nice -- success!

I must confess that the key to this succes is that build 2-5 were based off of the success of build 1. Its not like I got 5 different configurations to work.

Here are the keys-

All systems run the 209 BIOS
All systems run PCP&C 510 SLI or OCZ Powerstream 600w
All systems run Gskill LE or LA
All systems run either 3500+ or FX 55
All systems have a small fan over the DRAM area
All systems run nearly the same BIOS settings

But, hey, if it works don't mess with it:D
03-03-2005, 05:17 AM
laserbeam

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdzcpa

Flash to BIOS to 218 (latest beta)

Set the HyperTransport to x4.

Set EVERYTHING on the DRAM Settings page to AUTO and run the following timings manually 2.5-4-7-3. Run Vdimm at 2.9v to 3v.

Okay, I'll try that when I get home from work. Thanks :)
03-03-2005, 05:40 AM
DarkManX_BG

Quote:

Originally Posted by GravediggA

I have all Timings @ Auto in Bios, i have some trouble if i change something! All Timings get changed on startup with A64Tweaker! :)

Here is an Screen of the Timings i use:

http://www.weber-steuerungstechnik.de/tweakernew.jpg

Now that's the kind of screenshots I just HAVE to save to my HDD (Ultra-D coming soon, and I have 2x256MB of BH5 :D )
Good job!
03-03-2005, 08:11 AM
MJRL

I'm having problems with my Raptor, yesterday i think it was dead, everything above or near 240 htt win windows i have bsod, in bios it cant boot even lost the drive 2 times. I've tried everything low HT, Low multis, mem divider, voltages, no voltages.
Is it possible the chipset not locking satas? I've heard NF4 don't have this issues.
My raptor it's ok i've tried it in 2 NF3 Ultra and in a Msi NF4.
03-03-2005, 08:58 AM
brassen

I've got an 120mm fan lying around, I was thinking of using it to cool my memsticks, any tips on how to fasten it ?
03-03-2005, 01:38 PM
Razor_cut

Help!
My problem started with:

I were tweaking the new VX ram to make stable 1,5-2-2-10 260FSB with 3.4V. But Im not sure if it was with 3.5 or 3.4V when the crash happend. Since with 3.5V you cant get into windows XP. Well, under the startup the computer just died. :confused:

So after some checking, no weird smell or so, just a normal crash it seemd like, so I powerd the system on again, but this time and everytime since this afternoon, it starts for less then a half second, then dies again.

Iv ccmos, safe boot, and switched the rams. etc. But I havent tried the cpu anny elswere. So I dont know if its broke or so. The Vcore were 1.88 or so. But it cant have killed it..

Where do you guys think the problem lies? Dead mobo (bios?), mem, cpu?

Thanks a handle!
03-03-2005, 01:57 PM
Mastakilla

Quote:

Originally Posted by laserbeam

All,
I'm having some surprising issues with my memory (Corsair 4400C25PT). I'm finding that when I try to test the memory at it's certified ratings (DDR550 2.5-4-4-8, vdimm 2.8V) and with the CPU turned down to anything above 5.5xFSB I get errors (test number 8) in memtest86 v1.51.

I've tried adjusting vdimm to 2.9 with no result. I assumed this is down to CPU voltage issues but raising CPU voltage doesn't affect things either - though why should it! I've tried running the memory at DDR400 2-2-2-5 with CPU multi reduced to 8.0 and things run smoothly. However, at stock cpu multiplier I get errors. These timings are tight for this mem though so I'm not too surprised. Then again, the memory would fail at any cpu speed if it couldn't handle the timings wouldn't it?

Can someone explain why I need to turn down my CPU speed so much to get my memory through memtest86? Is this a bug/issue with the mobo? I'm beginning to think it is.

Any help/guidance will be greatly appreciated.

My system spec is:
Lian-Li V2000
AMD 3200+ Winnie/XP-120 Cooler/Vantech Stealth 120mm
DFI NForce4 Sli-D
1GB dual channel Corsair 4400C25PT
GeForce 6800GT
OCZ Powerstream 600W PSU
WD Raptor 74GB System Disk
WD Caviar 250GB Data Disk

i have that ram too

and it works very nice here, only my cpu doesnt seem to want to cooperate

i did 6x320 1:1 @ 3 4 4 8
and 10x260 1:1 @ 2.5 4 3 7 memtests with no prob too (only prime doesnt like it :()
multipliers between 6 and 10 just plain suck and dont get me anywhere :(

with all @ auto i didnt have probs with ram, i just couldnt overclock :banana::banana::banana::banana: (prime probs)
so i used a part of RGone adviced starter settings and got up alot (10x240 is 100% stable atm, for more my cpu needs looots of volts, and still not prime stable)
u can chk my settings for getting it more flexible in this post:
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...4&page=5&pp=15 (near the end of the page)
hope it helps u out
03-03-2005, 03:09 PM
fagin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juspriss

Mhmmm... ok ;).
Maybe with some 120x120 it will go on 45-70 :D .

Are you going to use water for VGAs & CPU? :confused:
Nice move! :cool:

Prommie will go on CPU this weekend hopefully, Can only afford one waterblock, so thats going on one GC, and an Artic Cooling NV5 on the other - for now!

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