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Mbot discounted the score mate - so it dont count, but I'll have a word and see what we can do - but the score you see at mbot HQ is already minus the duplicate score.
Which I believe means EPUK are still in front.
That and the fact I improved my score by 200+ points (which has not yet been added).
Mav
Mbot has not discounted the score....I just took the top 10 on your site with scorchios double and it came out at 43297.6 which is your score right now...
From their mbot home page & thread.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=35435&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=35436&stc=1
Another mistake mav? You better review your tricks if you want to pass this stuff off. Haha Boardy is your moderator, the guy that claimed 23 sec Super PI scores on an Athlon XP.
I wondered how you managed to remove the scorchio image from that post without leaving a post edited trace. Obviously your tricks are being done with help from the site admin. I think your whole Team should be reviewed and possibly banned from the mbot rankings. People like you make me sick. Mbot works hard to make a cool scoring system and guys like you just ruin it.
thnx :)Quote:
Originally Posted by maverik-sg1
lack to assemble my watercooling , hehehe >=D
I dunno I think everyone here assumes that mav is cheating and running benches with the same hardware under different names..
Your probably right, it just makes everyone turned off to the whole mbot idea which is too bad.
maverik-sg1
Greetings,
It is so nice that you appeared here! I want to ask you as one of EPUK members to do a favor for all the community. Please can you be so kind to REMOVE that LOADS of your and your teammates (just ask them to do this too, please:)) scores on front page in 2k1 ranking? First two pages of ORB contains TWENTY NINE (29 of 40!!!) scores from you, Gollum, scorchio and The Legend. Don't you think this is too much for FOUR people? For me it looks like just a lack of politeness and respect to other competitors. Usually when higher score is achieved then lower should be unpublished in ORB, that's traditional practice.
I also want to point that some of the scores posted under different names are really _too_ similar. I haven't seen such close range of results (and setups too!) from three different people during all these years of 3DMark benching and if someone will ask my personal opinion I also will note the strange coincidental appearance of three new names in TOP-10 with such similar setups... Anyway, we should investigate this more thoroughly. I can't claim you or your teammates as cheaters right now but the situation is strange enough.
I think that it would be very nice if you publish a pictures of your rig and gather photos of your teammates setups. The whole situation isn't too pleasant and I don't get any satisfaction from this case, if you are interested. You noticed right - ORB race is a hobby and no prizes/money involved here, we all do our best in benching just for pleasure and fun. But this "fun-oriented" society also prepare fair play game which satisfy everyone and is quite sensitive to different types of lies (cheating, bugged scores, etc.). In any way your 46k+ scores are impressive job and I applause you personally for this achievement. But as things are getting too complicated with all this EPUK stuff ATM, could you be so nice to prove somehow that there are really at least four of you in EPUK with so similar setups? As I mentioned before, to see pictures of your rigs would be very nice way to show everyone that scorchio, The Legend and Gollum aren't just a ghosts/bots in the ORB but real benchers of respectable skill and current situation is just a unfortunate misunderstanding.
P.S. Plz pardon me if my post looks messy - I'm just a bit drunk and _very_ tired after the night of streetracing...
CYK
Welcome to XS forums, mate! Feel yourself at home :)
ALT,
You said this very well, thanks for taking the time :)
Congrats on your new score as well :toast:
Mr ICEE a very respected and long time hand with benching was also questioning this situation. He posted some comments in one of their team threads over at EP.
http://www.extremeprometeia.com/foru...31&postcount=9
Quoted for your pleasure
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Originally Posted by MR ICEE
Thanks :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by ALT-F13
Well guys,
Mi Icee and I are the ones who instigated the clean out, the issue here is simple - before you judge why not pop over to EPUK and have a look at THE FULL STORY.
I will post piccies of my rig and I'll do scorchios too (over at EPUK that is), but as stated before I have to host his piccies and he is not very well versed in the ways of computing - although with my help and advice he is a force to be reckoned with.
To imply that we are in cahoots with admin in some sort of conspriacy is ludricous - you should be banned GZH for your own baseless accusations, this is not what forums are for.
Rig specs so similar becuase EPUK is a forum for a web-shop selling high end gear - the only UK place to get Mach2's from and it's the place to be in the UK if you own a high end system and want to learn something locally, the community is friendly, you hardly ever see the BS that GZH starts at EPUK.
The next statement is my thoughts on the similarirty of the specs:
Why do we have BH5? It's the best for benching, unless you have a cpu that can handle 300+mhz FSB (which most of the E4 revisions cant handle) we all know old skool BH5 is the best, the new stuff craps out mostly at 265ish and thats what ebay is for. The Bh5 I have is the best from a batch of around 8 sticks of 512MB although I just purchased gollums PC5000 TCCD to see if my CPU can handle the higher HTT.
Why FX55SD? Mostly coz I found that most fx57's will only clock as high as the FX55's under single stage phase- I couldn't justify the cost, I think if you read the EPUK forum, you'll see we all waited to see what the 57's were capable of, as it stands with the cooling we have it's capable of the same for an extra £250 - this was comunicated through our forum.
We all have DFI SLI-DR MOBO's - why, well we all have BH5 and the 4v DIMM rail is needed to sucessfully overclock BH5, plus their fookin good board (personally I have blown 3 up though LOL).
Why 7800GTX's - well right now, is there an alternative? no, I also found that even though all these other makes (probably with the exception of Dazbbots XFX Extreme 7800's) all clock the same if you use the modded BIOS - which we all do, I know we do coz Gollum4444 and Another (asked not to be named) distributed the file so we could all escape the cold bug. The only difference for the team is some have air cooling, most are watercooled, we all have phase.
Successful rigs breed, that is to say, think of your PC like a street racing car, the guys who are winning all the races - people want to see what under the hood and get the same - thats what has happened at EPUK, nothing more, nothing less.
I would have though that within a moddest budget thats the sort of system everybody aspires to have, I dont really think there's and alternative to have right now, cascade coolers are not readily available in the UK, well not until Fatty actaully get round to building one - And Intel are so far behind the game right now, it really is only AMD.
the only thing we seem to discuss at EPUK is which PSU to use??? LOL
I honestly can't believe that I have had to go through all this just to satisfy the curious, all you really need to do is pop over to epuk and have a looksie.
Most of the secrets of my success are posted for people to learn from and why not I consider myself to be the coach of EPUK 3d benchies, my results are class and I want the team to do well and guess what? They have followed my advice and congrats to them for the success we are enjoying right now, long may it last.
Scorchio and I play UT2004, add us to your buddies lists and check us out when we are online.
Now please, please move on from this and get to what really matters - BANNING GZH!!
One of the biggest quotes in history!! Anyhow, that the way to do things around here, ask politely! GZH could do with being banned until he learns some manners.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALT-F13
I will post a 'clean up ORB' thread so that any of the scores the EPUK members have published will no longer be published. It's not a lack of respect that they aint been cleaned up, lazy maybe, but so is not using filters - personally I dont see the issue, but it clearly is something your are not too keen on and you asked politely which is the right way.
Piccies of my rig will be posted on EPUK shortly and I'll drop a linky, scorchio will do the same, I got a piccie of gollums rig, its to fookin mess but at least u can see it. I can't speak for the other guys as we only seem to see them when the e-penis is enlarged.
I would expect the scores to be similar, I coached em all, they all have the tools, I taught them the skills so similar rigs get similar scores - I don't see the issue, but take the point you are trying to make.
I just feel that we are being persecuted for our the success, which I have to say, this is our time all we really want to do is enjoy it.
Nice scores Dude.
Mav
Mav, thank you for prompt reply.
Ok, the explanation of similar setups looks reasonable, you really picked a best setup for benching. Well, I even started a thread today when noticed that 18 of 20 people in TOP-20 used the same DFI mobos. Exceptions are k|ngp|n with P4C800-E and me with A8N-SLI Premium :D. BH-5 vs. TCCD is a flame issue ;) (i.e. DDR600 2,5-8-3-3-1T give better mem results for me) but once again your arguments are logical indeed. Truly if you have one hardware supplier and maintain good contacts between each other this situation may have place.
Of course, it still be great to see the pics, as you promised. Keep us updated.
"It's not a lack of respect that they aint been cleaned up, lazy maybe, but so is not using filters - personally I dont see the issue"
Well, of course I use filters :) But for years the whole community try to explain the new top-end benchers which jump to TOP-20 that the usual way is to have 1 published score per setup (i.e. that OK to publish 78GTX and X850XT scores simultaneously but not the 10+ "step-by-step-climbing-higher" history of almost identical scores). Just imagine if OPP will publish 20 scores in 47-48k range - ORB front page won't look nice then, right? This is not my personal craziness;) - just a normal way to behave on ORB. So I asked you just for maintaining the order not for my pleasure of giving you some stupid requests :) So thanks for understanding! Let's keep ORB clean!
Now let's move to the excellent accuracy of scores. Typically each bencher has its own tactics and tricks for system tweaking and performing a hi-score runs. BUT if you said that you shared the equal knowledge among all your teammates so each of you use maximum similar tweaks/etc then really with so similar setups everybody should get similar results. If this is true (sry, but I still can't believe this 100%) I can only take a hat off for such tight teamwork action! I wish that top XS members have this level of co-operation!
"Now please, please move on from this and get to what really matters - BANNING GZH!!"
Well, let me say straight. I must admit that G H Z is here on XS for quite a lot of time and proved himself as an adequate person, while you came here just recently and made some noise with all this EPUK story. Even if everything is ok with your team (and I hope that my belief in 3DMark fair play amongst top-end benchers won't hesitate this time:)) you probably understand that from different point of view and without further explanations your results really looks strange (i.e. I still don't understand why are you _all_ guys don't put any additional system info in project description:)). And please note that you also had that HWBOT double posted scores trouble recently... Of course, I'm not a admin/mod here but I totally don't see the reason for _banning_ G H Z because he have any "hard questions" to you... Yes, it is great when everything is dealt in peaceful, quiet and legitimate way but each of us is a human and can be emotional sometimes.
G H Z
Thx, bro!
HARDCORECLOCKER
Nice achievement with X850XT at that clocks!
[mbot]Alec - 26008 - Athlon 64 3200+ (Winchester) @ 2721MHz Radeon 9800Pro 495@385[/mbot]
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8663755
It's very simple really. If you don't have server access you can't remove or edit a post without leaving the post edited message with the time. You can un-host the image but you'd still have a red x in the post. The post that had the schorchio image in it is totally clean.Quote:
Originally Posted by maverik-sg1
It's not that you and another guy runs BH-5, surely you can see that mav. Hell I run it myself. The point is that you and this mythical guy schorchio scores are both described as running "old skool BH-5" What he can't type now either? Oh yea, he is computer illiterate, but runs top end hardware, and lets you submit his scores, and host his images for him :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by maverik-sg1
You do have fatty vouching for you and that's in your favor, but until there is more clarity and pictures of each rig/cards/ect your wasting your breath.
My score 36755.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8668445
A64 @ 2,9 Pov 7800 GTX sli std cooling.
2x 512 OCZ 4000 VX 2-2-2-7
[mbot]Dynasty - 44128 -Fx 55 SD@3385,BFG-7800GTX-SLI 504/1400 [/mbot]
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8675758
Cooled by:Mach II GT/r507/Baker
Nice score, Dynasty!
Looks like 1-2 more results in this range and we'll return the #1 for XS.
@ Alt F13 - Not intentionally to dis you friend on the FM ORB issue - wot I meant to say is It's not important to me, but I see your point and will make the necessary changes ;)
The top 10 3dmarkers in epuk are really tight and I do really coach all of them, remember we are only a small community with perhaps 15 active benchers.
What I am able to explain in writing I do so in the forum, in fact I think a few of your guys have recently used my tips page to fuerther their scores - of course to remain no1 you have to keep some tricks/tactics to yourself but 95% of them are public knowledge on EPUK.
I see your point about GZH - in fact I am warming to him now actually.
Cheers
Mav (The coach)
@ GZH -The easy thing for me and scorchio having similar systems is that its easy for either of us to cut and paste the mbot sentence and change names and scores. Also the term 'old skool' comes from our history of being hard core clubbers in the early 90's the term old skool is used to remember the halcyon days of dance music.
Nice scores Dynasty, keep going!!
Mav
Thx guys, haven't done much 01 runs since FX53/x800xt pe days.
But, I am getting there. :cool:
:D Anyone knows what's up with the mbot update? :confused: :confused: :confused:
Score is gettin' updated but the compare link isn't so it shows the new score with the old link........ :stick:
:toast:
Mav's Rig:
http://www.extremeprometeia.com/foru...3672#post23672
Gollums rig:
http://www.extremeprometeia.com/foru...ead.php?t=2985
More to follow.
Mav :fact: