HD5870 and HD5850 Reviews

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Originally Posted by LOE

But it isn't. Everyone who played Q3 seriously knows about the com_maxfps 120 and what it does for them. Having graphics and physics 1:1 allows for the unique trick jumping possibilities, and not only that, it is the ONE and ONLY engine that has no solid limits, enabling skilled players to move much faster and to jump much further.

Any lucky dude can score against a professional player in ANY OTHER GAME, but Q3 is the only game where even minor differences in skill result in a whole dozen of cans of whoopass for the one who is less experienced. I've played with people that thought of themselves as of GOOD GAMERS, having good skills in other FPS games like CS or COD, and when I play Q3 with them it is a major ownage. It is something very special to play with someone who thinks he knows FPS because he is good at some game, and in Q3 in a quick 15 minutes game the end result is like 40:-4, yes thats negative 4 for the "pro gamer" who thought he is any good at quake for being good at some other FPS.

No other game can do it. As old and outdated Q3 is, in my book it has the best gameplay physics up to date. I don't mean pure eye candy physics like nvidia does, but GAMEPLAY physics.

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There is at least one other game like q3, Half life Adrenalin gamer. In that difference is usually much higher than for example that 40:-4.

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So you are saying that Quake 3 would be considered a tactical game? lol.

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Sure it is. Right from the very start.. u spawn, and that very moment u need to plan a route to the possible best items according to what direction u heard ur opponent, what options he/she has and how to counter them, and do it fast, and.. Oh well good old times...:D

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Originally Posted by Glow9

Has anyone seen a 5850 review yet? I don't mean the simulated one

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Yeah, that is what I am looking for, too, but nothing yet...

29 is the day for 5850

dammit... i couldnt wait for the 2gb model... powercolor 5870 on its way....:shakes:

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Originally Posted by LOE

But it isn't. Everyone who played Q3 seriously knows about the com_maxfps 120 and what it does for them. Having graphics and physics 1:1 allows for the unique trick jumping possibilities, and not only that, it is the ONE and ONLY engine that has no solid limits, enabling skilled players to move much faster and to jump much further.

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THe CoD franchise also allows the same.

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Originally Posted by LOE

Any lucky dude can score against a professional player in ANY OTHER GAME, but Q3 is the only game where even minor differences in skill result in a whole dozen of cans of whoopass for the one who is less experienced. I've played with people that thought of themselves as of GOOD GAMERS, having good skills in other FPS games like CS or COD, and when I play Q3 with them it is a major ownage. It is something very special to play with someone who thinks he knows FPS because he is good at some game, and in Q3 in a quick 15 minutes game the end result is like 40:-4, yes thats negative 4 for the "pro gamer" who thought he is any good at quake for being good at some other FPS.

No other game can do it. As old and outdated Q3 is, in my book it has the best gameplay physics up to date. I don't mean pure eye candy physics like nvidia does, but GAMEPLAY physics.

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The same applies to any game out there. Put a Q3 player on a CoD map and you'll get the same result. CoD1&2 especially are far harder to master than the newer carebear CoDs but that still is more difficult to master.

You're just making things up if you think transitioning from Q3 to any other FPS makes you a god on them, while going the other way you would be a noob. Almost an elitist statement in fact.

when is 2gb coming out ?

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Originally Posted by LOE

^^ Well I was a Q3 player and I do pretty good in COD2 - for a casual gamer my stats are better than 90% of the kids that play non stop all the time, the so called pro gamers.


It is NOT VICE versa by any means. A good Q3 player has above decent performance in any FPS, while the latter is literally pathetic in Q3. Maybe your skills are average and that's not your point of view, but I know many quality Q3 players that totally own not only in Q3 but in every other FPS then get into. Q3 requires a lot of tactic and tracing opponents psyche all the time, plus it is really encouraging extremes when it comes to reflexes. Let me put it this way - IF YOU CAN DRIVE WELL AT 150 MPH you can also drive at 50 MPH, but good performance at 50 MPH does not guarantee the same performance at 150 MPH. It is that simple - quake 3 is demanding and it can take quite the skill, that's why between 2 players that are close in skill can still result in a tremendous difference in the end score. While in other games you are limited by the engine, resulting in a bottleneck for gaming performance. You are not as good as you are, but as good as the engine allows you. In Q3 the only bottleneck is the player himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiolB5OCyeU

I mean... if you ever played Q3 seriously - everything else is like slow motion for you, which makes things very very easy.

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Don't try to be condescending, you know nothing of my skill level and I know nothing of yours. For someone who says he is such a star at the game, yet thinks everyone else is crap, just goes to show you are probably living in a surreal world of your own. So please, drop the e-penis crap, I don't believe you and I doubt anyone else does.

All FPS games require the gamer to know the layout of the game, the mechanics of the game and have twitch reactions. If you believe that you have to be a higher skill to play Q3, than say CS or CoD, then I suspect you are probably a med gamer and haven't played many games in a dedicated team.

Twitch gaming does not equal skill and in your case, public gaming certainly does not equal skilled gaming.

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Originally Posted by LOE

Now I am a looser because I say you are wrong? LOL killer logic dude :D However the things you say don't really indicate you having a too good idea of what you really speak. You are probably one of the millions who think they will be able to score a frag against a skilled q3 player - well, don't take my word on it - go and play some Q3 with a pro player and you will realize precisely what I am talking about. Until you do so - you are better of keeping that mouth shut instead of going for personal attacks just because because someone is disagreeing with motiv boy :D

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come on now LOR boy, perhaps you would like to back up your claims of a Q3 player is better than any other type of player? or that a Q3 player can walk into a CS team or CoD team and be 'pro'

I know you can't back it up because you are probably a pub player of medium skill. I'm not making a personal attack on you, just as you are not by calling people average skill if they are not a pro Q3 player.

I may not be a pro player but I've played against some of the best in the CoD franchise and been at the top of the ED league and CB-uk league in CoD1, Cod2 and Cod4. So, I can speak with experience from that stand point.

I don't competitively game anymore but I know from past experience that Q3, CS, CSS and CoD are all games that have players of equal skill. No one game makes a player better.

I would prefer to have a CS player in a S&D match with me, that a Q3 player as the game type is far similar. In Q3, I would prefer a UT player at my side, than a CS player due to similar game types.

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Originally Posted by LOE

I suggest you carefully read what I am about to say and get over with it.

What I've said is a good Q3 player does pretty well in all FPS games - if you knew such people you would know, but you obviously do not. In contrast people that have good skills in other FPS games usually are getting totally OWNED in Q3.

Maybe you are in for some backing up of your words? I don't play COD4, but I play COD2, so we can a few games in bothQ3 and COD2 and then compare the results? I won't go to show off by being on top of any "leagues" but I can simply play a few games with you. I am a casual gamer - 2-3 hours a week, but I think you will be humiliated in the Q3 match... for the COD2 dunno, lets just say I would not put money on you - winning. Even if you manage to get a good score in COD2 - it will be nowhere near the pwnage you're gonna get in Q3. Lets see how you do then? Hope your skills match the size of that mouth of yours :)

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So basically, you're a pub hero Q3 fan boy. That's basically what you are saying.

You have no evidence to back up this weird claim that a Q3 player is greater than all, just your pub play.

Where as I'm happy to say all gamers of FPS games are basically of equal skill and will be able, with time, to transition over to a new game. with varying degrees of success.

I back my claims up with playing competitively in the past in a few games, where you base it on playing q3 at pub level?

I've nothing against public play and I'm sure you're dead good but let's be honest, there are quite a few people on this forum who play in CAL and I would suspect that everyone of these would back me up compared to your wild "Q3 gamers are the best" fanboyism.

Enough with the offtopic imo. :D
5850 reviews should be coming out soon, according to FUD they are going to ship them soon.

watch it loe get his friends... :rofl:

Thats the worse way to make a point... ever... :shakes:

fact: people who have been playing FPS since Q3 and CS (before source) probably have too much experience with FPS and are probably good. lets end the offtopic as its very moot.

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Originally Posted by rusty

when is 2gb coming out ?

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hopefully soon! i'm holding off untill then

Must agree on that Q3 pro players are pretty awsome, as an avarage quaker, and I have played since even before QW got into this world.. but only as a loneranger :) even after 10 years of q3, mostly RA3, i get my butt so kicked by players i cant believe my eyes sometimes, have never stopped playing ra3, its the most fun and intense game ever made IMO :) you can only get better! i would like to see print of your games if there will be any :) with /stats :P

And yes, this 5850? must be really a bang buck? looks like my upgrade after 3 years of my 8800GT :) 5850 beating a 285... seems goood :)

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Originally Posted by Infa

Must agree on that Q3 pro players are pretty awsome, as an avarage quaker, and I have played since even before QW got into this world.. but only as a loneranger :) even after 10 years of q3, mostly RA3, i get my butt so kicked by players i cant believe my eyes sometimes, have never stopped playing ra3, its the most fun and intense game ever made IMO :) you can only get better! i would like to see print of your games if there will be any :) with /stats :P

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HI2U ? :)

Any specs of 5890 yet ?

Hint:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1599/hd5850avail.png

That's when :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Det0x

HI2U ? :)

Any specs of 5890 yet ?

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hehehe heey Detox :) Im "Phanatic" :P

fun to see you here? into hardware aswell? :)

lightman is that dabs?

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Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown

lightman is that dabs?

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no, it's novatech


also guys if your thinking about getting a 5850 it might be worth it to wait for the 5770 and get two of them if the performance rumours are right and it's cheap enough.

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

no, it's novatech


also guys if your thinking about getting a 5850 it might be worth it to wait for the 5770 and get two of them if the performance rumours are right and it's cheap enough.

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in just $ per frame, the upper 5700s and low 5800s gotta be better than the upper 5800s, but who knows what kind of price drops we will see in the next few months. after the dx11 introductory shock value is over, and after the new nvidia cards come out. prices can be all over the place between now and january. so im just gonna sit back and wait patiently

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Originally Posted by Motiv

Don't try to be condescending, you know nothing of my skill level and I know nothing of yours. For someone who says he is such a star at the game, yet thinks everyone else is crap, just goes to show you are probably living in a surreal world of your own. So please, drop the e-penis crap, I don't believe you and I doubt anyone else does.

All FPS games require the gamer to know the layout of the game, the mechanics of the game and have twitch reactions. If you believe that you have to be a higher skill to play Q3, than say CS or CoD, then I suspect you are probably a med gamer and haven't played many games in a dedicated team.

Twitch gaming does not equal skill and in your case, public gaming certainly does not equal skilled gaming.

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There is a difference between the games you mention and Q3: in most if not all of the games there is "luck": you can spray and get a headshoot (and this pisses me off in DOD:S, there are plenty of random weapons), whereas luck doesn't exist in Q3, and thats why everybody can frag in CSS and DODS no matter who is playing against you but this will NEVER happen in Q3.

Yea, sure, tactics, teamplaying..those are something that a Q3 may lack at all, but the most difficult skill to get is aim, and you won't show a Q3 pro player how to aim, deffinitely. That is the big difference: it doesn't matter how good is your technique if you miss the first shot, the Q3 wont. It's really simple in that aspect, the aim you get by playing Q3 you don't get it by playing any other game and aim is the principal skill in FPS. Sure, if you are not an aimer you have to be something else in order to succed...but most situations in a FPS are done by aiming, so you are in disadvantatge there.


I've been playing FPS for loooooong time and consider myself able to learn fast and to be an above-average player really fast...except for Quake and similar games: I'm too :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing slow for those games...