Can you run the Ram at 1066 without overclocking the cpu too much especially if it wont show you any love:p:
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Can you run the Ram at 1066 without overclocking the cpu too much especially if it wont show you any love:p:
Mr.Q: thanks for the feedback. Banned because you were soldnermofo?
Brother:1066 (divider 1:2.66) at stock HT ref. (200MHz) doesn't work on MSI boards yet. Max possible is 1:2 divider whcih gives DDR2-800 at stock HT reff.
To get higher, you need to drop CPU multiplier and have a high HT ref. while keeping 1:2 Mem divider. In that way you can have speeds like below:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8232/1040mp3.png
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3253/cpuzwf4.png
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6...rimezr9.th.jpg
am i drunk or that is a 2800mhz phenom with 1.2v?Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMike
The Voltage that refers to is Voltage ID (VID). Different to VCore and all apps usualy report Core Voltage of Phenom as the VID.
Yep, I was at 1.2VID rather than 1.25VID which you'll find around.
However, my voltage needed for stability was high. This'll shed a better light on it (CPU VDDC) -below.
1.232V gets 2640MHz max stable.
im confused, how does using a phenom cpu make ram timings better? im able to hit 490 stable at 4-4-4-12 with my really cheap patriots 6400 at 2.3v. im scared to see what they could do with your cpu
It won't do really. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
What you get with an X2 is v.close if not exact what you'll get with Phenom with respect to RAM timings.
The RAM I'm using is very good. It constently hits 1200 4-4-4-4 2.2V with Intel CPUs.
KTE, are you still running the 1.13 bios?
I'm really starting to wonder if I have a bad board/chip... When I was having problems last night I set every thing back to stock, it booted into windows and then locked up as soon as I went to open AOD... Guess it could have been a problem with AOD because I lost it and had to delete/reinstall...
I've been OC'ing for years and I've just never seen such odd behavior from a chip before... One time it will crank and next time it won't boot...
Oh well, guess I'll try MSI's 1.1 bios (board came with 1.0) when I get off work...
If I've read things correctly, upping the CPU Vid from 1.2 to 1.25 increases the current to the chip right? (I haven't touched that yet...)Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Actually, I don't think I've had Vcore over 1.4... ;)
I'm not trying to be a wimp, but doesn't that seem like alot of power for a 65nm chip? My Opty 185 (90nm) only needs 1.43v's to run 3.0Ghz....
Maybe I'm not Xtreme enough for this forum... :rofl:
All kidding aside, I bought this Phenom to play with, and my 3Ghz Opty is still sitting here if things go really bad....
I've only been playing with it for a few days, but it seems like keeping NB/HTT clocks close to each other gives better results, ie:same multi (of course I could be totally wrong!)......
As long as I keep them both around 1800, would that be OK.. or should I lower them even more? Thanks for any advice in advance!!
BTW, I decided to stay with the 1.113 bios for now...
@ Tye hey what are you're thoughts brother Phenom 9500 they seem to do as well as the next as it would seem until B3 comes to bat and they are $189.00 on the EGG:) or is the 9600 any better probably not right?
Yep. Trying some new ones soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
Lockups when opening AOD occur when its trying to initialize the 790FX clock generator. That's an AOD problem it seems, I had it myself at first. Could be the board too though. ;)Quote:
I'm really starting to wonder if I have a bad board/chip... When I was having problems last night I set every thing back to stock, it booted into windows and then locked up as soon as I went to open AOD... Guess it could have been a problem with AOD because I lost it and had to delete/reinstall...
Check your AOD log files for errors.
Same here. ;)Quote:
I've been OC'ing for years and I've just never seen such odd behavior from a chip before... One time it will crank and next time it won't boot...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=23
1.1 is better than 1.0, it was much better for me anyway.Quote:
Oh well, guess I'll try MSI's 1.1 bios (board came with 1.0) when I get off work...
It should be 1.25VID stock, but at times the chip automatically decreases VID. Yep, it decides P-States, which decide amps fed to to each core as well and thus stability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
True, many K8s oc'd far higher than this but K10 isn't a mature core, the quad core manufacturing is new and unmatured and this is a quad at the same node as K8 was, so it can't get much lower. Especially with native quad, bins are no where near as good as dual-core and in decent yeilds as dual MCM will be. I didn't expect higher, but 1.45V 3GHz should still be achievable on some K10s. The problem isn't a power/volts one the way I see it but a core design problem.Quote:
I'm not trying to be a wimp, but doesn't that seem like alot of power for a 65nm chip? My Opty 185 (90nm) only needs 1.43v's to run 3.0Ghz....
1.25VID is stock though, giving around 19A per core at 1.232V which is within the 95W TDP. So it is still good, stock CPU power draw is not bad. There's many screaming it's this or that. None can run a few simple tests and provide me feedback to compare with themselves since online reviews are just so differing in variables and tenbd to take things too far in extreme tangents than what we want to know.
Sounds good to me. :)Quote:
I've only been playing with it for a few days, but it seems like keeping NB/HTT clocks close to each other gives better results, ie:same multi (of course I could be totally wrong!)......
1800 after oc'ing is fine, even 1900 is fine in many cases, but not before oc'ing as oc will make it go higher up quite obviously.Quote:
As long as I keep them both around 1800, would that be OK.. or should I lower them even more?
Phenom is doing well in EU, don't know about US. Price is much cheaper in US all round than in EU for devices. I sold mine cheaper than you can get an used E6750 here. Price drops are decent around the EU for Phenom but not much on Kentsfields at all so the difference increases and most people feel about what they have to pay there and then and the damage it does to their pockets rather than long term or logically. It still occupies a market niche, a segment orientated specific displacement but you can't say it competes with Core 2 offerings at stock vs stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
anyone try 1.24 yet? I'm gonna try it when i get home.
Let me us know how they work for you Blargman!!
MSI seems really slow at releasing official Bios....
If you could post a link or attatchment that would be Killer...:D
Thanks. Dave
Have a new CPU since a day, but don't have the board with me to try. Getting back to flat on Wednesday.
MSI board and Black Edition 9600 (and 800SPD DIMMs) - easy clock:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080105/ms...ighNBclock.png
http://img.techpowerup.org/080105/ms...ghNBclock2.png
I'll post some Sandra screens next
Those NB/HT bus speeds are Impressive Macci!!! :clap:
I didn't realize the NB Multis would be unlocked too.... I can set mine above 9x in p-states, and it will show it as higher in AOD, but it won't actually apply the settings.....
Or do you have some double secret probationary bios? :D
Edit: Actually it will take the higher Multi, but it locks my HT Ref clock...
Thanks for the peek Sammi :D
12k Sandra?
That BIOS is needed here.. any help? :)
With unlocked VIDs/MUltis, this could be an adventure if you know what you're doing.
And throw those timings 4-4-4-4 please, we want to see some latency/bandwidth over K8 here. ;)
macci.....have you taken a look at the DFI 790FX-M2R Yet if so can you explain some of the HT Settings?
@Tye......you get you're BE yet brother?
Got it yesterday. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=488
same clocks as in the earlier pic:
Sandra:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080105/SS1321_mem.png
and then Sandra but with just lower NB clock (2320MHz vs. 2532MHz in the 1st pic):
http://img.techpowerup.org/080105/SS1321_mem23NBclk.png
And same with Everest - notice which tests are affected by the NB clock:
2532NB
http://img.techpowerup.org/080105/Ev_2637.png
2320NB
http://img.techpowerup.org/080105/Ev_2637_23NBclk.png
How is it that Sandra is Higher than Everest its usually the other way around?
Because Everest is still testing memory subsytem by loading only one CORE of CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
New SP1 of Sandra has reworked testing routines and it's loading all available CORES of CPU thus Phenom memory controller is fully utilized. :up:
Is this thing worth getting?
Quote:
Originally Posted by macci
Nice to see what a cherry-picked golden sample can do in the hands of an engineer, but what about in reality?
Not to soumd insulting towards Sammi but those were my thoughts as well;)
Well nice to see some BE action but we need some more details :) ? new bios for msi? retail cpu?
some mem action with msi mobo :) for me it's quite impressive thought :P
BTW cpu z only show's correctly cpu speed :( ... mems are 1:2 divider nb somewhere near 1500mhz or 1750mhz and ht multi 5x
http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08015/muisti1.jpg