Why is it so hard to get Linx stable? I got a 2500K running fine on 5.0Ghz, IntelBurnTest and everything else without a hiccuup. Right now i'm running Linx at 4.6Ghz and I just hope it will be stable. Can anyone explain this staggering difference?
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Why is it so hard to get Linx stable? I got a 2500K running fine on 5.0Ghz, IntelBurnTest and everything else without a hiccuup. Right now i'm running Linx at 4.6Ghz and I just hope it will be stable. Can anyone explain this staggering difference?
You're going to get a lot of technical reasons but basically, LinX is a B**CH.
PS
And I'm not saying Prime is easy either.
What a lovely forum update. Just compare these two.
№ User CPU name & frequency C / T vCore Motherboard Cooling type Batch # 1. lkozarov Core i7 2500K @ 5500.0MHz 4 / 4 1.584 ASUS P8P67 Pro Single Stage 3048A446 2. newhit Core i7 2600K @ 5407.7MHz 4 / 4 1.692 Gigabyte P67A-UD7 Water L042B076 3. TWK_OCZ Core i7 2500K @ 5341.9MHz 4 / 4 1.608 ASUS P8P67 Pro Water L051B314
Rank | User | Frequency and # cores + threads | vCore | Motherboard | Cooling type | Full Batch #
- lkozarov | Core i7 2500K [4C 4T] @ 5500.0MHz | 1.584 | ASUS P8P67 Pro | Single Stage | 3048A446
- newhit | Core i7 2600K [4C 4T] @ 5407.7MHz | 1.692 | Gigabyte P67A-UD7 | Water | L042B076
- TWK_OCZ | Core i7 2500K [4C 4T] @ 5341.9MHz | 1.608 | ASUS P8P67 Pro | Water | L051B314
Will do it manually, might be done by the end of the next week.
Woa, first time noticed table feature used. Worthy addition from forum upgrade indeed.
thx for the update´s zalbard :up:
Batch 3103B306 solid wall @ 5405Mhz - Ud7 B3 - Single Stage -15C evap. idle temp. - 1.405 Vcore LLC7
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My new results, pretty crap considering my RIIIE only needed 1.33v for 4.5ghz. This board is E770
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@xdave: is that on air?
Also, updated! :up:
OK, cool, thanks! I added this info. :)
Nice job, by the way! :up:
ROFL! I apologize for my illiteracy. :(
I hope this is better. And if i did anything wrong please correct me.
Motherboard used: Asus R3E| VCore 1.375
Cooling: H20
Batch:3012B113
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Lynx is supposed to be running on the 21st loop.
You probably should restart an launch CPUz before anything else so you get a voltage reading. 1.57.1 should be able to show your volts.
1.57.1 still isn't showing voltages.
Sorry for not reading the update.
I will do another run going into the 21+ loop.
You have something interfering with it. Mine works if CPUz is the first thing I start after bootup.
I'm also wondering why so little ram. 2gb on a triple channel system? See rule 3.
My submission with my new chip:
zoson | Core i7 970 [6C 6T] @ 4611.0MHz | 1.521 | ASUS Rampage III Extreme | Water | 3018A860
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100GFlops at just 4.6GHz... *FLEX*
Edit: Pics.
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batch #: 3102C246
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@ zoson
141gflops at only 5100:cool:
Then get with the program, man! :P
my 4.6Ghz LinX stable entry
pet168 | Core i3 540 [2C 4T] @ 4615mhz | 1.440 | ASUS Maximus III GENE| Air | 3039B092
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update:
pet168 | Core i3 540 [2C 2T] @ 4937mhz | 1.544 | ASUS Maximus III GENE| Air | 3039B092
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Updated! Very nice job, guys! :)
@ pet168: what were your ambients? That's very impressive for air cooling...
Submission removed because LinX was not up to date. Resubmission to follow. :)
haha 49gflops. weak. You're not really stressing your CPU with that low performance.
That's why your temps are so low, also.
Edit: with HT on your temps should be ~10C HIGHER than with HT off.
Knock knock.........................................can i join the over 100 Gflop club ?
kitifit1 | Core i7 990x [6C 6T] @ 5009Mhz | 1.611 | EVGA Classified E760 | Single Stage | 3044B119
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Amazing contribution to the thread :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by zoson
yeah, that's why zalbard decided on LinX, because it doesn't really stress the CPU :brick:Quote:
You're not really stressing your CPU with that low performance.
Oh should they? OK, I'll see if I can somehow alter the laws of physics and invert the temperature differential for you.Quote:
Edit: with HT on your temps should be ~10C HIGHER than with HT off.
@LennyRhys:
Zoson can be very blunt in his comments, but he is absolutely right.
Check others' results to see what your performance and heat output should be at those settings.
My performance is more-or-less the same as angelreaper (to name but one) who also used the 25 multi for his i7 970 4.5GHz run. What's more, I have low memory frequency so the throughput just isn't going to be as high. But this thread has nothing to do with performance... it's a frequency club.
And what zoson says is not true at all - his remark that LinX "doesn't really stress" a CPU is about the stupidest thing a person could say in a thread like this - LinX is a monster of a test for any CPU, HT or no HT. :yepp:
As far as heat output is concerned, this is an interesting one. For starters, nobody can point at a result and say "your temps should be different." That's crass - my temps are what they are; I didn't choose them or make them myself, so how can I be expected to change them?! LOL really... I did read around a bit and found that the linpack library stresses the CPU very differently from Prime95. The Prime95 mindset is a very logical one: more threads equals more heat; however LinX doesn't appear to work like that.
And it's worth mentioning that other people have used very high bclk for their runs, and that will make a chip much hotter due to the necessary increas in VTT.
Before it all kicks off.............
I've got a 980x Gulftown submission.....Phase cooling.
batch 3003B287. Mbd EVGA Classified E760.
Thanx to Kitfit for helping me to squeeze a bit more out of it.
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What I was saying is there is something wrong with YOUR machine (and angelreaper's too, along with anyone else who has low performance for their frequency) and you are not actually stressing your cpu fully with YOUR linx run. Done right linx stresses the hardest. Done wrong you see low GFlops like you and angelreaper.
It's a known fact by anyone who is anyone that HT on causes your temps to be ~10C hotter than HT off. If your HT on temps are LOWER than your HT off temps, there's something wrong. With HT on you stress your cores more, not less. More stress = more heat.
Memory frequency does make a difference, but I've posted many shots showing that the actual difference in GFlops between 1600mhz and 2000mhz is small. At most you'll see a 5GFlop difference, with the average being 2-3GFlops.
Yes, this is a club for frequency stability. You're not stable if you're not performing right. Sure if you're running at 4.7ghz and you're only using 50% of your clock cycles, you're going to appear to be stable. Your cpu won't heat up as much as it should, and as a result the internal resistance of your transistors doesn't go up as much as it would if every cycle were used. If you fixed what's causing your low GFlops, you'd probably crash or overheat.
There's nothing wrong with my machine - just realised that I don't have the updated linpack libraries, so I apologise for the confusion.
Since updating the linpack executables I did a quick run at 4.5GHz (180x25) and I get 73 gflops consistently; it does run hotter but it's stable.Quote:
If you fixed what's causing your low GFlops, you'd probably crash or overheat.
I'll see how far I can push on air and resubmit later this evening.
Edit: Here is 4.5GHz. Air temp is nearly 5C higher than yesterday which made a significant difference to load temps, but my trusty Delta still kept them under 80C. If air temp gets lower I'll give 4.6GHz a bash.
Cire i7 970 batch #3012B113 @ 4500MHz | HT on | 1.384v | Asus P6X58D-E | Air cooled with Copper TRUE @ 14C ambient
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■CPU :core i7 2600k :L102B549
■M/B :GA-Z68X-UD7-B3
■BIOS :F7
■BCLK :100
■CPU倍率 :50
■Vcore :BIOS1.55V(Load1.548~1.608V)
■LLC:7
■off set 0
■QPI/VTT V(VCCIO) :1.22V
■Vdimm :1.62V
■MEM :CMT8GX3M2A1866C9 4GB*2
■FSB:1:7
■DRAM Frequency :DDR3-1872MHz
■DRAM Timing :9-10-9-27 1T
■HT:ON
■RoomTemp :26℃
■Core(RearTemp3.67):Max72-83-87-79(Min30-33-34-33)
LinX0.6.4Load
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@kazukun:
Why so high VccIO? It is more likely to kill a chip then high vCore.
I see alot of people arguing about Gflops vs performance at a given speed/cpu. Have you guys read this. http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...test-linx.html I have done my testing and with my cpu it has been true.
Also have notice while overclocking and testing. If a system is unstable, I have had it pass 15 runs of linX with LOW gflops then what it should be. Stopped the test and rerun it and had it crash after second round. Readjust voltages and this time would pass with the correct gflops and pass.
Zalbard needs to read it, i think. Otherwise all these super low GFlop people wouldn't be on the list as stable overclocks.
I don't think it's fair to say that every LinX run with low gflops is indicative of instability; many of the hexcore CPU users (like me) have run the older version of LinX, either because that's all there was at the time or because they were unaware of the updates, so although the gflops are low the system isn't necessarily unstable. I updated the library and ran LinX at 4.5GHz without changing voltages from my previous 4.5GHz run and passed no problem, albeit with higher temps.
At the end of the day, zalbard decided on 20 passes with LinX as a measure of stability, not gflops or anything else. I think it should be for each person to decide themselves what they submit; 20 passes is 20 passes, stable or not.
Got another, if it's OK?
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Update:
i7 970 #3012B113
4625MHz @ 1.44v (1.275v QPI)
6C 6T
Air Cooling - TRUE Copper & Delta AFC1212DE, 13C air temp
Asus P6X58D-E
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And 5GHz in windows for the heck of it!
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1901503
Ok, just got my 100 Gflops clock up a bit.
kitifit1 | Core i7 990x [6C 6T] @ 5100Mhz | 1.682 | EVGA Classified E760 | Single Stage | 3044B119
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Hang on, zoson hit 100 GFLOPS at ~4.6GHz on the 970 (Link), and this is 5.1GHz and its at 110 GFLOPS, seems like some performance is lacking for some reason or is it just not scaling up in that CPU speed range?
Really impressive OC though, you are thrashing that 990x :D
Zoson got 100 gflops because of the relatively high bclk & memory frequency - compare it to my run, and the lower bclk/memory costs about 3-4 gflops, even though my CPU clock was higher.
If kitfit1 had 5GHz on a 23x CPU multi, gflops would be through the roof :yepp:
You are right, it's not scaling very good over 4.5-4.6GHz. I don't know why, maybe some internal throttling mechanism, OVP, OCP, or something.
But we must remember that we are giving those chips up to 20% more voltage then absolute max recommended.
Here is the scaling from my experience 4560MHz/100GFLOPS, 4800MHz/103GFLOPS, 4900MHz/105GFLOPS, 5000MHz/107GFLOPS (an you won't see this picture, cause I never managed to pass all 20 loops :( )
No they would not, they would be the same. There are many topics about running higher BCLK with lower multis or lower BCLK with higher multis.
Common conclusion is that there is no difference if clocks are the same (or very similar).
Yep......................just about what i found as well. So far i've had a 920,975 and the current 990x. All of them scale the same as far as Gflops are concerned.
The only way to push for higher Gflops on the 5.1ghz clock i posted would be to raise the the NB multi. But like a lot of i7's, my 990x doesn't like anything much above 4000mhz with the cpu clock much over 4.9ghz.
Obviously i could post a higher Gflop value at a lower cpu clock, but as the clock was done just to get higher than 100 gflops and over 5ghz it would be pointless.
At 4.5GHz I pulled just shy of 98Gflops, and at 4.6 I get just barely over 100. So I gained like 2.2GFlops for 99MHz(4512 -> 4611).
I'm currently working on a 4.74GHz run, and am pulling just shy of 103GFlops, so that's around another 2.7Gflops or so, which is also right in line, since I gained 130MHz this time instead of just 100.
Anyway, if we estimate 2.2GFlops per 100Mhz, and kitfit is 500Mhz above my last official submission... That's literally about 111GFlops expected. I think he did pretty nicely with 110GFlops at 5.1GHz. The discrepancy of 1GFlop is easily margin of error (less than 1% difference!!!).
I also run with ~5.4GB ram and he does 5.12GB, which can also make a small difference in GFlops.
MIVE-Z | Water | Batch # 3103B306| 1.5v LLC 100%
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Updated! :D
Your CPU is under water, I assume?
Yep, I've read this a while ago.
Unfortunately it's pretty hard to determine actual GFlops of every single chip when accounting memory speed, problem size, number of used threads, cache frequency, etc. I might be dropping some of the low GFlops submissions in the future, though. We'll see.
Fantastic, now get to 5GHz! I know your chip can do it. :yepp:
Looks good, especially on air! :up:
That is awesome, and who cares if GFlops is starting to scale slowly past 5GHz, I am pretty sure all the actual apps will fly. :up:
Nice formatting, and welcome to the club! :up:
Under water Vcore 1.520 underload, IMC on this chip is really crap, hence the low RAM/UNCORE
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Bullus | 2600K [4C 8T] @ 5125Mhz | 1.544V | Asus ROG Maximus IV-Gene-Z | SS | L039B470
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Core i7 2600k [4C 8T] @ 5304.4 MHz | 1.584 v. | ASUS P8P67 PRO | Water | L108B128
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Bullus | 2600K [4C 8T] @ 5332.8Mhz | 1.568V | Asus ROG Maximus IV-Gene-Z | Dice | L039B470
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Asus Rampage III Extreme Black Edition | Water | i7 990X 3101A239| 1.4625v LLC 100%
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Scum | Core i7 2600K [4C 8T] @ 5000MHz | 1.456 | ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z | Air |3105C253
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Anandtech posted a chart today that is VERY relevant to this thread:
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4503/39729.png
Just goes to show that memory speed makes very little difference in linpack, and those people trying to claim 20GFlop deficit because they have slow ram are just... not telling the truth.
sorry for ot:
looking for some 980X batches, whats about Batch #3013A540? any good results with air cooling?witch is the best mainboard for those 980X?
regurds
i7-2600K[4C 8T] @ 5006.5Mhz | 1.569v | Asrock P67 Extreme 4 | Water | 3049A287
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Anyone know why my BCLK drops to 99 and doesnt stay @ 100
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@red
thats the gigabyte feature, seriously
LASeR10 | Core i5 2500K [4C 4T] @ 5508.2MHz | 1.600 | ASUS Maximus IV Gene-Z | Single Stage | L051B314
Submission #05
CPU: i5-2500K #L051B314-1383
M/B: ASUS M4Gz
VGA : GTX570
Ram: ADATA 2000-X PSC
Power Supply : Corsair AX-850
Case : Open
Cooling : Cooler Express CE-48-S-1C(2010) Super Single Evaporator Cooling
Room temp 30 c
BIOS : CPU Voltage 1.600 V | DRAM 1.650 V
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Updated!
Please remember to list your motherboards and cooling so I don't have to perform detective work on forums looking up your post history trying to figure it out...
Interesting testing some_one. I'm just curious how big of a GFlops performance hit you get when monitoring with RealTemp. I have tried to keep RealTemp nice and lean so hopefully not too much. Monitoring programs that show the data graphically usually require more CPU cycles. It should be hard to notice much of a performance difference when RealTemp is minimized to the system tray.
TMonitor is a bit of an extreme example, just something to be aware of. As results may vary from system to system best IMO if the poster tries a quick test running Linx with the apps that they would like to run at the same time then close each one and see if it makes a significant difference. As donmarkoni said, the CPU hungry apps can be run at the end if desired for the SS.
The performance difference is insignificant (from my experience).
It is usually apps like AIDA and HWInfo that poll a lot of sensors at the same time that cause the GFlops to go down (since reading sensor data seems to be of a high priority to the system and there are no free resources to allocate during LinX).
2500K @5GHz | MIVE | Corsair H70 110CFM Push/Pull | Batch # 3104C394| 1.475v bios LLC 75%
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2500K @5GHz | P67A-UD7-B3 | Corsair H70 110CFM Push/Pull | Batch # 3108B187 1.475v bios LLC7
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2600K @5GHz | MIV GENE-Z | Water| Batch #L045B397| 1.495v bios 1.512v load LLC 75%
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New Linpack libraries ver. 10.3.5.008 are available.
Grab the updated LinX here or from the OP. :up:
I wonder if this fixes the >9GB bug. I'll try it tonight.
Batch 3103B374, Gigabyte UD7-B3 (F3h), Single Stage
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^^^^^^
:clap:
Got to say Norman, that is one stonking clock. Congrats on it mate....................................will it do anymore ? :D
Cheers Kitfit and Dumo.............Keeping my options close atm...........just in case it needs the latest LinPack:confused:
I'd like to know why my Girlyplops are so high (I know, they're not that high but they are high compared to my usual fare). The memory is reliable but not overly speedy......GSkill Trident F3-16000CL9T-6GBTD (2000 CL9-9-9-24).
I've not done anything in the bios (Gig UD7-B3) apart from a bit more Vtt (1.160) and the obvious Vcore increase. CPU PLL is at 1.660v, Vdram 1.66v. All memory tabs are at "Auto" or default and CR at 2.
Windows 7 64bit SP1 (AVX)
Is it quite simply the efficiency of the memory controller in this chip?
Nope, it does not. Use whatever you're comfortable with.
The latest Linpack may increase stress levels and performance or reduce execution time, which is a good thing. But you're doing it for yourself. If someone wants to run LinX 0.6.3 with old libraries on their new 2500k at 50 GFlops then it's their deal. It won't be my computer that may crash in one of the upcoming demanding games when you least want it to. ;)
P.S. Sorry that I kept you waiting for the reply. It's summer and I am slowly modding/rebuilding my rig. PM if there is something urgent the next time. :)
P.P.S. Looks like the first post update keeps timing out, it's either the site today or the post simply got too big! :D
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I really need to figure out the LLC settings on this board... vdroop is killing me. I have been spoiled by Asus voltage monitoring. How do I monitor voltages in windows? Temps were below 60°C so I know it wasn't getting anywhere near 1.6v under load.
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My best using the new Linpack compared to my previous post. Drop in Girlyflops for 8 threads but no bios changes
OOPS!.........forgot to say that I did change my ram to Gskill Ripjaws
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Hi Guys,
my friend just bought a new computer with a 2600k and a p67 sabertooth.
we overclocked his processor to 5ghz and 1.45V. But what concern me is that he gets only around 60gigaflop in Linx.... its almost half the speed im getting with mine.
We dont know whats causing this. This is mostly a BIOS Setting but we cant find it.... and you cant seem to disable turbo mode on this motherboard, which is weird.
Can someone with the same motherboard help us??
Thanks.
I was going to try and do better with this chip, but decided to go back to my 970... Figured I may as well submit my 4.5GHz HT on result, since I don't have any results with HT on. Interesting beast, this chip. Its core is much better than either of my two 970's, but the uncore is not as good.
I ran this OC 24/7!
zoson | Core i7 980x [6C 12T] @ 4512.8MHz | 1.521 | ASUS Rampage III Extreme | Water | 3005F742
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Core i3 540 [2C 4T] @ 4738.5 MHz | 1.496 | Asus P7H55-M | Air (Halem) | L032B081
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Hey guys, my first ever submission for the LinX stable club! Also, my first time water-cooling, and first time overclocking. I'm pretty happy with my results, hope you guys are too!
Kyprioth | Core i7 990x [6C 6T] @ 4762.8MHz | 1.450 | ASUS Rampage III Black Edition | Water | 3045A751
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I don't actually use TurboV to change settings, just to monitor them from the OS. When I first started OC'ing yesterday I changed something and hit apply, and it froze my system. About 5 mins of Google search revealed at least half a dozen other forum threads with people saying they blew up their CPU thanks to TurboV. Since then I've done it the slow way, BIOS overclocking.
The voltages in the left half of the TurboV window (not the ones in the monitor strip on the right) are what they are set to in the BIOS, The only ones I've set manually are BCLK Frequency, CPU Voltage, QPI/DRAM Core Voltage, DRAM Bus Voltage, and IOH. The rest are all on (Auto).
I got to where I am now basically by following guides and trial and error. Whenever I bump up either the multiplier or BCLK it wont boot and I don't know which voltages I need to tweak, and how much, to get it to work at 5GHz. Can anybody here who is familiar with rampage BIOSes lend me a hand?
Your overclock is not stable at all.
First, your GFlops are too low(you should be able to hit 100GFlops at 4.6GHz).
Secondly your residual changes significantly through your run. It should be the same for every loop on a run.
You obviously disabled 'stop on error', which is why your run keeps going even though your residuals are all messed up.