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05-16-2006, 03:19 PM
npk

Coprocessors:
media processing

wow I wonder what it will be used for. Sounds great though for all of us working with media, perhaps a new hardware accelerated encoding? I´d like to know what is that about.
05-16-2006, 03:31 PM
vitaminc

Quote:

Originally Posted by npk

Coprocessors:
media processing

wow I wonder what it will be used for. Sounds great though for all of us working with media, perhaps a new hardware accelerated encoding? I´d like to know what is that about.

wouldn't be too excited until the softwares are supporting it.

same thing with dual/quad cores, physics cards, etc.

unless they can make my wc3:tft/wow and excel extremely fast.
05-16-2006, 04:00 PM
mesyn191

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaminc

wouldn't be too excited until the softwares are supporting it.

same thing with dual/quad cores, physics cards, etc.

unless they can make my wc3:tft/wow and excel extremely fast.

That depends....

Remember all that info. about "reverse-hyperthreading" a while back? What if they do that with the co-processor so that its invisible to the OS (or at least requires OS support to be visible) and the CPU is the only thing that is "seen". Performance would depend heavily on whatever hardware AMD is using to do the "reverse-hyperthreading" and chip to chip bandwidth (good thing HT 3.0 does 40GB/s eh?) but getting crazy amounts of FP performance with no need to recompile or patch current software would be huge...
05-16-2006, 04:16 PM
DoubleZero

Well if we K8L is the K8(Rev.G) that always been associated with Deerhound(quad core due 2h 2007), then can Brisbane, also always been associated as K8(Rev.G) be K8L also?
Brisbane is due 1Q 2007, same date apointed for some time now as the launch of the K8L.
So will we have all the improvements of the K8L in a Dual Core format?
I really don't think it's bad Amd Quadcores only coming late 2007, i think it's bad K8L only coming late 2007.
05-16-2006, 04:47 PM
Repoman

Agreed, dual core is even still pretty new, quad core 2008 makes sense. I really hope we get K8L early 07 though
05-16-2006, 04:53 PM
npk

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaminc

wouldn't be too excited until the softwares are supporting it.

same thing with dual/quad cores, physics cards, etc.

unless they can make my wc3:tft/wow and excel extremely fast.

Personally I´m not too worried about quadcore software support as I work 9 to 5 doing 3d archviz, and the programs I´m using already supports multicore hardware, I was just curious about that media processing stuff .
05-16-2006, 06:06 PM
VulgarHandle

i too would like to know if all the 'reverse-hyperthreading' hype was more than just hype

also, what will vista do for dual/multi-core? any help? cause even though multiple cores perform better than single, it hurts to know so much of your money invested in the multiple cores is going to waste
05-16-2006, 06:09 PM
mesyn191

Quote:

Originally Posted by VulgarHandle

i too would like to know if all the 'reverse-hyperthreading' hype was more than just hype

also, what will vista do for dual/multi-core? any help? cause even though multiple cores perform better than single, it hurts to know so much of your money invested in the multiple cores is going to waste

All the comments that I saw about "reverse-hyper threading" were that it was still under development and would probably be in K10, but we can hope can't we?

Vista will probably just hog one of those cores all for itself... No way in hell am I gonna run that DRM infested, buggy, resource hogging, POS.
05-16-2006, 06:15 PM
nn_step

You forgot DDR3 :rolleyes:
05-17-2006, 12:06 AM
Daveb2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carfax

I think AMD will have the advantage in a quad core design over Intel due to a superior platform and infrastructure.

The K8L will be battling the quad core version of Conroe (Penryn), which will most definitely have some architectural improvements, and could possibly be on 45nm by that time aswell.

I agree but im buying a conroe initially.
05-17-2006, 01:53 AM
mesyn191

Some new info.

K8L die size may be only around 150mm on .65, thats amazing for a quad core chip... Who knows? Maybe the heat won't be so bad either.

http://www.chip-architect.com/news/Quad_vs_Dual_.jpg

If this is correct they won't be fab limited and they should have plenty of availibility too.
05-17-2006, 01:56 AM
nn_step

Quote:

Originally Posted by mesyn191

Some new info.

K8L die size may be only around 150mm on .65, thats amazing for a quad core chip... Who knows? Maybe the heat won't be so bad either.

http://www.chip-architect.com/news/Quad_vs_Dual_.jpg

If this is correct they won't be fab limited and they should have plenty of availibility too.

Sounds like they are going the Torrent of Threads path but they are taking it slowly :D
05-17-2006, 05:37 AM
w0mbat

Yeah, Dresden rulez!
I heard K8L will coming Q4 2006 and with DDR3 support.
05-17-2006, 06:37 AM
Iconyu

I think you should consider which market AMD is aiming for with K8L, an awesome architecture means nothing to the average user if it's aimed at big iron. I don't even know if AM2 will accept quadcores, but I do know that Socket F isn't very far away and nor is it aimed at the desktop sector, at least at the begging.
AMD might not have a direct desktop answer to Conroe until Q2, but users willing to pay FX/EE series money should have a choice.
05-17-2006, 06:56 AM
freeloader

Let's just hope that software companies start making use of these extra cores within the next year! It sucks having multi-core processors (4 or more anyhow) and not utilizing them to their full potential.

K8L will be out in 2nd half of '07 for servers. So I've been told.
05-17-2006, 07:06 AM
vitaminc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconyu

I think you should consider which market AMD is aiming for with K8L, an awesome architecture means nothing to the average user if it's aimed at big iron. I don't even know if AM2 will accept quadcores, but I do know that Socket F isn't very far away and nor is it aimed at the desktop sector, at least at the begging.
AMD might not have a direct desktop answer to Conroe until Q2, but users willing to pay FX/EE series money should have a choice.

Greyhound (quadcore desktop, 1H08) is likely to use AM3.

Socket F will be for servers only.

The new sockets are implemented so AMD's products can have clear characterization. F for server, S for mobile and M for desktop. Before this socket reorganization, socket and CPU pin counts are very ambigious.
05-17-2006, 07:42 AM
n91htmare

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaminc

Greyhound (quadcore desktop, 1H08) is likely to use AM3.

Socket F will be for servers only.

The new sockets are implemented so AMD's products can have clear characterization. F for server, S for mobile and M for desktop. Before this socket reorganization, socket and CPU pin counts are very ambigious.

Clear Characterization?... seems to me they had a lil too much bud... would be better if

S = server
M= mobile
F = Desktop

But whatever.
05-17-2006, 08:00 AM
nn_step

Quote:

Originally Posted by n91htmare

Clear Characterization?... seems to me they had a lil too much bud... would be better if

S = server
M= mobile
F = Desktop

But whatever.

You didn't seem to catch

S=Small form factor
M=Mainstream
F=For Industrial applications
05-17-2006, 08:25 AM
vitaminc

Quote:

Originally Posted by n91htmare

Clear Characterization?... seems to me they had a lil too much bud... would be better if

S = server
M= mobile
F = Desktop

But whatever.

It's helluva better than using the same socket 754 for turion and semprons, or using the same socket 939 for athlons and opterons. buying a desktop mobo and server cpu for a cheapo server implementation with :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ty throughputs isn't the exact idea amd wants to honor. neither does buying a desktop mobo and mobile cpu for low power shizzles, which would directly erode energy efficient athlons sales.
05-17-2006, 09:54 AM
Haltech

Quote:

Originally Posted by mesyn191

All the comments that I saw about "reverse-hyper threading" were that it was still under development and would probably be in K10, but we can hope can't we?

Vista will probably just hog one of those cores all for itself... No way in hell am I gonna run that DRM infested, buggy, resource hogging, POS.

Ive got the newest bulid and its far from a resource hog. Infact, its shaping up quite nicely.
05-17-2006, 10:38 AM
GoThr3k

The inq says

AMD's first-hand response was the briefing on the impressive K8L architecture, which our own Charlie has thoroughly dissected over the past couple of months. The DDR-II 400/533/667/800 supporting, 1207-golden dot processor is scheduled to debut in the coming weeks.

http://the-inquirer.net/?article=31787

this is good news so it seems, K8L to debut in july
05-17-2006, 11:35 AM
termix

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoThr3k

The inq says

AMD's first-hand response was the briefing on the impressive K8L architecture, which our own Charlie has thoroughly dissected over the past couple of months. The DDR-II 400/533/667/800 supporting, 1207-golden dot processor is scheduled to debut in the coming weeks.

http://the-inquirer.net/?article=31787

this is good news so it seems, K8L to debut in july

This isnt K8L. It is 90nm chip based on revision F. K8L is revision G. K8L as QC chip will debut in the end of 1H07. DC chip with this revision maybe sooner as new FX line? Acording to roadmap, first bunch of 65nm chips will be more probably just die shrink of todays AMD64 cpus, for AM2. Of course, i hope they will release it asap. Core 2 will be very strong competitor in all sectors...
05-17-2006, 12:00 PM
slavearm

You ever wonder if AMD is sandbagging a release?
05-17-2006, 12:19 PM
GoThr3k

Quote:

Originally Posted by slavearm

You ever wonder if AMD is sandbagging a release?

sandbagging??
english is not my native language but i think you mean, paper launch? more important than it is??:confused:
05-17-2006, 12:38 PM
The Ghost

a picture is worth how many words ?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...1/brisbane.jpg

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