Next-Gen AMD Motherboard Intro- MSI K9N SLI Platinum First Sight

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Originally Posted by JasonDTM

Most likely one of the newer Realtek High Def audio codecs for sound.. ALC885 I believe it would be.

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meh.. I was hoping for something with more power.. but I guess they are trying to keep the price down at first.

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Originally Posted by nn_step

meh.. I was hoping for something with more power.. but I guess they are trying to keep the price down at first.

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it doesn't really matters...because anybody who like high quality audio will have an add-in sound card anyway.

It's 6400 DDR2 Ram = 400 MHz

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Originally Posted by Driver

It's 6400 DDR2 Ram = 400 MHz

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well duh.. DDR2-800 = PC6400 = 400Mhz

Finally a first shot - the board looks like I expected after seeing some on cebit.
can't wait to see the first Pi runs :D

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Originally Posted by SoF

Finally a first shot - the board looks like I expected after seeing some on cebit.
can't wait to see the first Pi runs :D

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There is more to life than Pi.. for example Beef ;)

I'm very interested to here how well socket 754/939 heatsinks fit with the new socket. I've read that they don't fit at all, but here's to hoping.

They dont, AM2 uses 4 screws instead of two, lots of modding coming up I think..

does it means i´ll need to adapt my cpu block to fit the AM2 mobo? crap.....

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Originally Posted by VulgarHandle

lol, if that's true, what a waste..... although i guess that is supposed to be the point of am2, purely a switch to ddr2

and i know only fx are supposed to be completely unlocked, was asking about HIS cpu, as it pertained to the 333vs200fsb question...

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it's not like htt speeds does ANYTHING for performance assuming the cpu and ram clocks are the same. 375x8 and 300x10 with the ram at 300mhz for both gives identical sPI times.

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Originally Posted by ozzimark

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it's not like htt speeds does ANYTHING for performance assuming the cpu and ram clocks are the same. 375x8 and 300x10 with the ram at 300mhz for both gives identical sPI times.

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forgive me if i dissagree, i've built 7 a64 machines, and only need 1 as an example:
opty 165 + DFI LP UT NF4 Ultra-d+2x512 G.Skill LE's(tccd, running 1:1)

we found that 318x8.5(puts ram at 300.33) ran 1.8.s faster (on average) than 300x9(ram at 300) in sp1m(untweaked windows, same memory timings), and don't tell me 3mhz is responsible for the almost full 2 seconds(3d was better too by about 3%)

i remember that explicitly because i had made a thread asking if there was a problem running x.5 multipliers, which there isn't, other than it rounds the memory divider up

now, coolaler's conroe and kyosen's merom seem to scale the same even though coolaler runs MUCH higher fsb AND tighter timings, but that's a full architectural change, not like amd's move to am2, which looks to be just an IMC adjustment

But hey, i'm just basing this off MY OWN experience, others may be different, and maybe AM2 has more changes than we know.....

i'll try and dig up the screenshots between the 2, have to ask they guy who owns it if he has them, and search for the thread @ ocforums

I know that ram speed isn't as important as clock speed, but being i was almost always limited by multiplier i can honostly say i don't know exactly how important fsb is in relation to clock speed

but i do know guys with fx's seem to be upset about coldbug, so why would they if they get the same performance from 200x20 as they migh potentially get from 348x11.5?

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Originally Posted by VulgarHandle

forgive me if i dissagree, i've built 7 a64 machines, and only need 1 as an example:
opty 165 + DFI LP UT NF4 Ultra-d+2x512 G.Skill LE's(tccd, running 1:1)

we found that 318x8.5(puts ram at 300.33) ran 1.8.s faster (on average) than 300x9(ram at 300) in sp1m(untweaked windows, same memory timings), and don't tell me 3mhz is responsible for the almost full 2 seconds(3d was better too by about 3%)

i remember that explicitly because i had made a thread asking if there was a problem running x.5 multipliers, which there isn't, other than it rounds the memory divider up

now, coolaler's conroe and kyosen's merom seem to scale the same even though coolaler runs MUCH higher fsb AND tighter timings, but that's a full architectural change, not like amd's move to am2, which looks to be just an IMC adjustment

But hey, i'm just basing this off MY OWN experience, others may be different, and maybe AM2 has more changes than we know.....

i'll try and dig up the screenshots between the 2, have to ask they guy who owns it if he has them, and search for the thread @ ocforums

I know that ram speed isn't as important as clock speed, but being i was almost always limited by multiplier i can honostly say i don't know exactly how important fsb is in relation to clock speed

but i do know guys with fx's seem to be upset about coldbug, so why would they if they get the same performance from 200x20 as they migh potentially get from 348x11.5?

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Dude, you've totally missed the point and you're wrong.

HTT frequency has been proven to make an insigificant, if not non-existent, impact on performance. This is referring to the Hypertransport frequency, not memory frequency. Obviously, higher memory speed vs high multi will win, but that's not what ozzi's talking about, he's talking pure ht frequency.

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Originally Posted by EnJoY

Dude, you've totally missed the point and you're wrong.

HTT frequency has been proven to make an insigificant, if not non-existent, impact on performance. This is referring to the Hypertransport frequency, not memory frequency. Obviously, higher memory speed vs high multi will win, but that's not what ozzi's talking about, he's talking pure ht frequency.

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here we go...

originally, i was talking about the cpu frequency, which i called fsb, so, let's all make sure we're on the same point, as i've seen this called different names ALL THE TIME

the fsb of a64's is htt x LDT multi = fsb(double pumped), right? so, stock is 200x5=1000(2000 effective), right?, now, that's NOT what i was originally talking about, i was talking about the htt x CPU multi = cpu clock, where with a 4800+ 939 is 200x12, right? Now, from what i've read, the AM2 4800+ will be 333x7.5=2.5, if i'm wrong there, sorry, bad source, which i listed

what i was saying originally is that a processor running 240x10 is faster than the same processor running 200x12(we're talking htt x cpu multi = cpu clock), now, my last post was rebutting what ozzimark had said, which was "that wasn't true"

now, if ozzimark was saying the fsb(meaning the 200x5 value) means nothing, then yes he's right, BUT he got what i was saying wrong

if he got what i was saying right, and is saying there is no difference between a cpu running 200x12 or a cpu running 240x10, then my last post is valid, in that i don't agree, cited examples i've seen with my own eyes(wether you believe them or not), and the point that people with say, an FX, run into problems with high HTT(as in htt x cpu multi = cpu clock) when too cold, i then asked 'WHY would they be upset about that if it dosn't matter???????'

if you want to tell me i'm wrong about the name of a mobo, or the stock speed of anything, fine, but don't tell me i'm wrong on something i've experienced, experimented with, and drew conclusions on

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Originally Posted by VulgarHandle

here we go...

originally, i was talking about the cpu frequency, which i called fsb, so, let's all make sure we're on the same point, as i've seen this called different names ALL THE TIME

the fsb of a64's is htt x LDT multi = fsb(double pumped), right? so, stock is 200x5=1000(2000 effective), right?, now, that's NOT what i was originally talking about, i was talking about the htt x CPU multi = cpu clock, where with a 4800+ 939 is 200x12, right? Now, from what i've read, the AM2 4800+ will be 333x7.5=2.5, if i'm wrong there, sorry, bad source, which i listed

what i was saying originally is that a processor running 240x10 is faster than the same processor running 200x12(we're talking htt x cpu multi = cpu clock), now, my last post was rebutting what ozzimark had said, which was "that wasn't true"

now, if ozzimark was saying the fsb(meaning the 200x5 value) means nothing, then yes he's right, BUT he got what i was saying wrong

if he got what i was saying right, and is saying there is no difference between a cpu running 200x12 or a cpu running 240x10, then my last post is valid, in that i don't agree, cited examples i've seen with my own eyes(wether you believe them or not), and the point that people with say, an FX, run into problems with high HTT(as in htt x cpu multi = cpu clock) when too cold, i then asked 'WHY would they be upset about that if it dosn't matter???????'

if you want to tell me i'm wrong about the name of a mobo, or the stock speed of anything, fine, but don't tell me i'm wrong on something i've experienced, experimented with, and drew conclusions on

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So ozzi and I misunderstood you. We thought you were referring to strictly HT frequency making a performance different, rather than the difference between 240x10 vs 200x12, assuming ram speed is not consistent between both (ie, 1:1 divider on both, so ram speed differs)

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Originally Posted by Torin

I'm very interested to here how well socket 754/939 heatsinks fit with the new socket. I've read that they don't fit at all, but here's to hoping.

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I just love how people dont read and just look at pics.

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Originally Posted by windwithme

the fastener base is different, but still can use 939/754 coolers, have to test to know the real usage situation.
http://img7.picsplace.to/img7/17/K9N5.JPG

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I dont get it, how can the 939 coolers bolt on, are there holes consistent w/ 939 mounting that I dont see?

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Originally Posted by EnJoY

So ozzi and I misunderstood you. We thought you were referring to strictly HT frequency making a performance different, rather than the difference between 240x10 vs 200x12, assuming ram speed is not consistent between both (ie, 1:1 divider on both, so ram speed differs)

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:toast:

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Originally Posted by nn_step

There is more to life than Pi.. for example Beef ;)

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you're right - can't wait to see the first Pi AND R@H benches :D

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Originally Posted by Eldonko

I dont get it, how can the 939 coolers bolt on, are there holes consistent w/ 939 mounting that I dont see?

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Most stock coolers and some others will work. Im sure that Zalman and many other heatsink companies will come up with adapters.

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Originally Posted by EnJoY

So ozzi and I misunderstood you. We thought you were referring to strictly HT frequency making a performance different, rather than the difference between 240x10 vs 200x12, assuming ram speed is not consistent between both (ie, 1:1 divider on both, so ram speed differs)

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nope, i was on the assuption that he meant the base clock: HTT

vulgar, if you wanna discuss it, feel free to PM me. don't wanna drag WWW's thread too far off topic, but i'll just say this:
try 300x9 at 200mhz ratio and 338x8 at 183mhz ratio or 386x7 at 166mhz ratio.
all should give 2.7ghz and 300mhz ram. i'll honestly be surprised if there's a significant difference between them, let alone 1.8s.. speaking of which, at 3ghz, going from 200mhz at 2-2-2 to 272mhz at 2-2-2 barely gives a 1s difference in 1m. just something to consider

Waht? No AGP? How does MSI expect me to use their FX5200 in that? I shoulda bought a Dell.
Here's hoping Elite group & SiS team up and make one that supports PC133 and/or Conroe.

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Originally Posted by Eldonko

I dont get it, how can the 939 coolers bolt on, are there holes consistent w/ 939 mounting that I dont see?

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NOTICE THE TABS?
http://img7.picsplace.to/img7/17/K9N5.JPG
that is how it can mount on :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Fission

Waht? No AGP? How does MSI expect me to use their FX5200 in that? I shoulda bought a Dell.
Here's hoping Elite group & SiS team up and make one that supports PC133 and/or Conroe.

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my god I hope you are joking.

I hate those conexions so close to the socket and the 1 PCI-Ex!!! complete ecual to the Asus ones :stick: what a lack of re-design

The Storm waterblock would need some sort of modification to be able to mount on a AM2 motherboard, correct? I might buy a AM2 system while waiting for Conroe, but only if I can watercool it.

-k0nsl

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Originally Posted by nn_step

NOTICE THE TABS?

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I was worried about my waterblocks and SS connecting, not an air cooler. Every cooler I have uses the two screw method not a bracket. I'm pretty sure I can make something to hold em on though.