thats one of the problems.. would conroe love 1:1 and tight timings or massive memmory mhz's with loose latency's. we dont know yet
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thats one of the problems.. would conroe love 1:1 and tight timings or massive memmory mhz's with loose latency's. we dont know yet
Don't know about you guys, but I've been too busy praying that my old lady will let me spend the money to build a new Conroe/Celly-M-DFI Cross Fire-Dual X1800XT-Crucial RAM-Danger Den wc'd-WD Raptor HD rig that I haven't had much time to think about what parts I want :eek:
Today after 10 years of faithful service to AMD I am renouncing my loyalty to the Green Machine and announcing my alliegence to Intel.
Everyone else who feels the same, you are welcome to come to my house next saturday night for a flag burning cerimony, and the raising of a new Intel flag in my back yard.
Forget D9 chips.
Did you all see Victor's post of the new OCZ modules he has?
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=98387
550+ mhz at 4-4-4-4
Does anyone still care about microns old chips knowing we can get memory like that!?
don't be so quick, you can see The Stilt's D9's doing 570 @ 4-3-3 in the same thread. yes i know its only 2x512mb.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimboJoe43
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Originally Posted by JimboJoe43
Good ram
Unfortunately i tried looking up the price and its going for 300 GBP...
@ Alex 2gb is pretty much the only way to go for gamers IMO :), i was planning on getting cheap 1gb kit and upgrading to a good 2gb kit because they're improving so fast, maybe i can get good 2gb kit right off the bat because it's lookin so good. I don't care about performance 1gb kits.
You're right I would go with 2gb's if I were gaming, so I agree with what you're saying, but I was thinking in terms of benching instead of running a gaming rig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absolute_0
Yeah totally for benching D9s are still doing great. I was just amazed to see such good stuff in a 2gb package! I'll probably still get 1gb and upgrade to 2gb towards the end of the year. these good 2gb kits are just TOO expensive.
I could understand if you wanted to leave things at stock to pay these prices, but if you're going to OC it doesn't really make sense to get the highest possible stock chip. It won't help you OC better at all, and usually just means that the chip will have less headroom to OC vs. the lower clocked versions of the same core.Quote:
Originally Posted by the farmer
The 6600 seems to be the one to get for OC'ing as its the cheapest one with a 4MB L2 and the 1066Mhz FSB (vs. starting out trying to OC from 1333Mhz...) should pretty much garantee an easy OC on air and phase change.
I doubt you'll be needing any sort of special low latency RAM for Conroe either, that huge L2 and the memory disambiguation hardware will probably make any sort of low latency gains even more negligable than they already are. If it turns out that memory dividers have a performance penalty than all we'll need is RAM capable of hitting very high clocks regardless of latency.
Personally I hope that mem. dividers don't really effect anything, like I've said before I've never had any real luck OC'ing RAM and it seems like you're going to need some real impressive stuff to be able to OC the FSB high enough where the CPU starts to become the limting factor and not the RAM (this is all assuming that we get overclocks like those with ES's have been getting though...).
I was suspicious there was something like that going on. Well I appreciate you bending the rules where you can :DQuote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
ram: soon to be announced :)
I agree totally.Quote:
Originally Posted by mesyn191
About the oc'ing. RAM was never the problem for me, the X2 4400 (first batch in Holland) was the bad guy. Won't do more then 200Mhz overclock :slapass: .
Yea, early adopters usually get screwed regardless of wether they buy Intel or AMD.Quote:
Originally Posted by the farmer
That is why I'm not going to jump on AM2 or Conroe when they first become available. I'm gonna wait at least a month or 2 for the bugs to get worked out of the motherboards (or at least a fixed BIOS release) and the drivers til' I buy.
Hopefully by then I'll have my phase change setup back from chilly1 to play with to keep me from letting my money burn any holes through my pocket.
Depending on what is possible on Conroe under phase, then the XE might be the best chip to get simply because of the unlocked multi (12x - 60x), otherwise you could be limited to about 3.5Ghz (10 x 350) on a E6700, which may even be possible on air... therefore the phase change would be wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by the farmer
Imagine if Conroes will do 4Ghz - 5Ghz under phase? :cool:
I woulda thought that they would be able to do 4-5ghz, it would surely be a good thing..Quote:
Originally Posted by Durzel
What do you guys think an E6400 compares to in AMD terms. I am parting out my system now and putting the $ into a savings account until the E6400 or E6600 comes out. not sure which I will get yet.
I will be selling:
dfi ultra-d MB
2gb of Mushkin xp4000
Opteron 148
xp90 w/ delta fan
old x-navigor aspire case.
I already have everything else I need, i know I won't get much $ for my current hardware. But I don't want to spend hundreds more then I need to get similir performance.
Looking forward to it :).Quote:
Originally Posted by mesyn191
If dividers doesn't hurt performance on Conroe then you don't need a high multi. I hope like mesyn191 that's the case. Normally I buy the lowest number of the highest cache (the E6600 in this case).Quote:
Originally Posted by Durzel
9x350 with divider 3/5 make 5250Ghz looks fine to me :).
I would say it's to early to call. We don't know if dividers and cache hurts performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveb2012
similir perfomance LOL.... the E6400 will smash everything.. then again your opty 148 is no competition for conroe ;) so sell all of it
I hope it will be 10x333 , after all Conroe XE has higher TDP freedom ( 95w ) compared with 9x333 Woodcrest ( 80w) .Quote:
Originally Posted by Salvador
Asus i965, maybe DeluxeQuote:
Originally Posted by charlie
E6600 with plans to overclock to 3GHz but will settle for 2.7GHz.
OCZ DDR2 667 since we already saw 5-5-5-15 can do.
Antec TP 2.0 SLI 550W I already have, I think Conroe systems will use less power.Use my X800XL until the rumored price cuts on the 7900GT or X1900XL. Might look at Crossfire.
My current plan is to get the following for Conroe:
CPU: Core Duo E6600
mobo: prolly an i975X-based mobo, though not the Intel one (slot arrangement doesn't fit my needs)
GPU: If ATi ever comes around to add Master-less CF for my current X1800XT, I might consider getting another one now that they're below 300 Euros. This might effect my motherboard choice, too.
RAM: not sure which company, but 2x1024MB modules, PC6400-rated
cooling: Cathar's Storm G4-based water cooling sys, already in use
PSU: Enermax Liberty 480W, got it only a couple of months ago, works nicely.
are all these conroes? or Kentsfield? in Q4 more conroes coming out? n then in Q1 Kentsfield Quad core scheduled to be released?? isnt thing moving too fast? i mean, new batch of procs almost every half yr...:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Salvador
my budget is limited as a poor student :P
so i probably will go for the:
E6700 : 2,67Ghz cus it has the same multi as the XE
a 7900GT probably
ram is still pretty vague, some ddr2-800?
i allready have a silverstone 560W (i think it will hold (12v line =38A)
i bet 10 pounds of beef that its an elitegroup board :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
yea, wouldnt we all like to know .:D i dont think people will be gettinng much more overclock with phase cooling ,then water . when i played with dothan and phase , i could only oc the cpu 200 mhz more , and im suspecting conroe ,will be maybe just a bit better , but since the pipelines are shorter ,i doubt they will oc so high , hope im wrong though .
Based on what we've seen so far 4Ghz miiight be possible with phase, but 5Ghz? Even with LN2 I don't think you'll be able to get to that speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Durzel
Anyways, I'd rather have working FSB dividers with no performance penalty than have to get crazy high FSB speeds to OC. Makes things soooo much easier and saves money too as you can get away with using the value RAM DDR2 instead of spending a bundle on OC'ing RAM.