Conroe: The truth?

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Originally Posted by ORCBEAST

Sigh...:rolleyes:

First rig: Currently Top of 3DMark05 20667

AMD FX60 @ 3.707Ghz "Used Dry Ice" Can't run that 24/7
2x ATI X1900XTX SLI "890/850"

Everyone agrees this is a heavily OC system


Now we take VictorWang's setup
3DMark 05 11258

Conroe @ 2.4Ghz "STOCK"
1x 7900GTX 512MB "622/1880"

This Conroe scores more than half that of a heavily OC system due to this not being in SLI only one card is running.

Just for fun lets add another card and double the score 22516.Allready higher than the the TOP 05 AMD setup. Now it should probably score a little lower or higher "not sure" in SLI than just multiplying the score like I did by two but this setup is still on a BETA BIOS and a STOCK Conroe and for $500 cheaper than FX60 just on the chip alone:)

Conroe will be very interesting :cool:

Intel Leap Years ahead ^_________^

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damn right:toast:

Adding a extra GFX card won't always double performance even if you do account for Ooverclocking though. We can't estimate the score from that because we have no idea where the test will actually start to become CPU bottle-necked with conroe.

The article is still BS but some of the counter arguments have just as little underlying truth.

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Originally Posted by ORCBEAST

Sigh...:rolleyes:

First rig: Currently Top of 3DMark05 20667

AMD FX60 @ 3.707Ghz "Used Dry Ice" Can't run that 24/7
2x ATI X1900XTX SLI "890/850"

Everyone agrees this is a heavily OC system


Now we take VictorWang's setup
3DMark 05 11258

Conroe @ 2.4Ghz "STOCK"
1x 7900GTX 512MB "622/1880"

This Conroe scores more than half that of a heavily OC system due to this not being in SLI only one card is running.

Just for fun lets add another card and double the score 22516.Allready higher than the the TOP 05 AMD setup. Now it should probably score a little lower or higher "not sure" in SLI than just multiplying the score like I did by two but this setup is still on a BETA BIOS and a STOCK Conroe and for $500 cheaper than FX60 just on the chip alone:)

Conroe will be very interesting :cool:

Intel Leap Years ahead ^_________^

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Thats pretty crappy reasoning. A stock x1900XTX and a stock FX-60 gets about 11.7k in 3dmark05. And we can see that a heavily OCed FX-60 gets 17k with a heavily overclocked x1900xtx.. Your comparison makes no sense to me at all.

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Originally Posted by ahmad

Thats pretty crappy reasoning. A stock x1900XTX and a stock FX-60 gets about 11.7k in 3dmark05. And we can see that a heavily OCed FX-60 gets 17k with a heavily overclocked x1900xtx.. Your comparison makes no sense to me at all.

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Makes sense to me and the dude who posted after me ;)

And how can u justify the price difference ^__^

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Originally Posted by fhpchris

But we have seen phase changed yonahs, and they are nowhere near capable of what some of the people have been doing with fx-60s and crossfire, because two of the big problems of netburst have been brought along -- memmory latency from no on die memmory controller and still using a FSB and not something like HTT.

Yonah -> conroe wont change that.

Hell, someone with x1900 Crossfire and a 3+ghz Yonah was only 600 points above Afireinside's 7800GT+170 3d05 scores! Only time will tell.

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well there arent crossifre yonah boards and the only yonah compatilbe board out has a limit of a 266 FSB and many of them have trouble going over 250 FSB.

certainly there are weaknesses of core architecture, jusst as amd has its weaknesses, but the fact that a stock cpu competes with overclocked FX's at all makes it pretty hard to deny that this is a solid cpu.

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Originally Posted by ORCBEAST

Makes sense to me and the dude who posted after me ;)

And how can u justify the price difference ^__^

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Hehe, no it doesnt, there are lots of variables to consider, nice try though.

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Originally Posted by ORCBEAST

Makes sense to me and the dude who posted after me ;)

And how can u justify the price difference ^__^

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i have to agree with Ahmad.
when putting 2 cards in SLi or Crossifre the perf gain isnt 1+1=2
ATi and Nvidia wish it would.
Also due to the unknown CPU bottlneck with a Conroe its impossible to say How conroe will react or SLI/crossfire.

and simply cause the person that posts below you agrees with you doesnt make it right.
i think u should check the orb a lil before saying stuff like that.

and your compairing the price of a FX60 that i can buy with the price of a CPu that i cant buy?
ofcourse the FX60 costs a premium atm, it has no real compeition and people are willing to pay that price at this moment.
dont say Conroe will rape the FX60 (as we al know it will) but ur compairing a CPu wich already exists for a while with a thing i cant buy in a store.

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Originally Posted by Starscream

i have to agree with Ahmad.
when putting 2 cards in SLi or Crossifre the perf gain isnt 1+1=2
ATi and Nvidia wish it would.
Also due to the unknown CPU bottlneck with a Conroe its impossible to say How conroe will react or SLI/crossfire.

and simply cause the person that posts below you agrees with you doesnt make it right.
i think u should check the orb a lil before saying stuff like that.

and your compairing the price of a FX60 that i can buy with the price of a CPu that i cant buy?
ofcourse the FX60 costs a premium atm, it has no real compeition and people are willing to pay that price at this moment.
dont say Conroe will rape the FX60 (as we al know it will) but ur compairing a CPu wich already exists for a while with a thing i cant buy ina sotre.

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Oh okey lets not test the Conroe against the latest AMD have :) Lets leave it..then hear how people will complain how Intels latest Conroe has no reviews out so it must be having problems, Doesnt perform well having yield problems etc and so on.


In my post I stated this:

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Now it should probably score a little lower or higher "not sure" in SLI than just multiplying the score like I did by two but this setup is still on a BETA BIOS and a STOCK Conroe and for $500 cheaper than FX60 just on the chip alone

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So everyone saying it might this it might that..when I allready suggested IT MIGHT..is pretty pointless.

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Originally Posted by ORCBEAST

Oh okey lets not test the Conroe against the latest AMD have :) Lets leave it..then hear how people will complain how Intels latest Conroe has no reviews out so it must be having problems, Doesnt perform well having yield problems etc and so on.


In my post I stated this:



So everyone saying it might this it might that..when I allready suggested IT MIGHT..is pretty pointless.

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Then as your post has "it might" there is no relevance at all to your post and means it cant be "right" as you already sugested.

Ownd in your own game :cool: .

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Originally Posted by Dragex

Then as your post has "it might" there is no relevance at all to your post and means it cant be "right" as you already sugested.

Ownd in your own game :cool: .

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that doesnt change the fact that he is right... the prices set for conroe are lower then an FX-60 and the cpu is much faster... obviously it isnt available yet, but thats why this thread is in a news forum.

If you don't think it's faster then im not sure what to say... a 2.4 ghz conroe has been shown outperforming an FX-60 in pretty much every bench we can think of. from the looks of it it takes about a 2.7-2.8ghz X2 to be even with the 2.4ghz conroe.

Here is a very very simple Idea.
Make no judgements on it, until you can actually BUY ONE.
Some goes for AM2

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Originally Posted by Dragex

Then as your post has "it might" there is no relevance at all to your post and means it cant be "right" as you already sugested.

Ownd in your own game :cool: .

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So we are not even allowed an opinion or can assume anymore...Whats this world coming too :)

It can or cant be right...Not just it cant ;) as u are suggesting.

Tsk Tsk Tsk We will all have the truth in a couple of months.

Man its funny how SOME ppl i wont name call get all hiper when ur suggesting something... Like what they say is what matters and is right.. :stick:


My post I made is a logic conclusion from if a Conroe scores with a Single card that well ON STOCK..not FX60 3.7Ghz OC in to heaven with Dry Ice then you MIGHT see the Conroe creaming it...

We havent even seen the Conroe's OC potential and everyone in here is allready scrapping the idea...BAH it cant OC very well...

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Originally Posted by nn_step

Here is a very very simple Idea.
Make no judgements on it, until you can actually BUY ONE.
Some goes for AM2

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That would be Ideal..but also a very boring Forum :P

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Originally Posted by Revv23

well there arent crossifre yonah boards and the only yonah compatilbe board out has a limit of a 266 FSB and many of them have trouble going over 250 FSB.

certainly there are weaknesses of core architecture, jusst as amd has its weaknesses, but the fact that a stock cpu competes with overclocked FX's at all makes it pretty hard to deny that this is a solid cpu.

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The Aopen i975xa-YDG is crossfire compatible, and it is a modders board. Random people will pick it up and have that 266 fsb problem, but I dobut people like Hipro or キョセン(Kyosen) will sit down and accept that.

Yonah/Merom/Conroe will be great CPUs, but Only time will tell if they can eventually take the Records that AMD has, and if the speedbump known as AM2 can hold them off.

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Originally Posted by ORCBEAST

Sigh...:rolleyes:

First rig: Currently Top of 3DMark05 20667

AMD FX60 @ 3.707Ghz "Used Dry Ice" Can't run that 24/7
2x ATI X1900XTX SLI "890/850"

Everyone agrees this is a heavily OC system

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No crap its an overclocked system. Also, who cares if it runs 24-7? Is this www.dell.com?

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Now we take VictorWang's setup
3DMark 05 11258

Conroe @ 2.4Ghz "STOCK"
1x 7900GTX 512MB "622/1880"

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Now lets look @ AMD from some random guy:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1915695
2.4ghz X2
1x 7900GTX 512MB "700/1800"
3DMark 05 11242

Im just wrong, Conroe WRECKS AMD!

He is even using an A8N SLI/2gb DDR400!

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This Conroe scores more than half that of a heavily OC system due to this not being in SLI only one card is running.

Just for fun lets add another card and double the score 22516.Allready higher than the the TOP 05 AMD setup. Now it should probably score a little lower or higher "not sure" in SLI than just multiplying the score like I did by two but this setup is still on a BETA BIOS and a STOCK Conroe and for $500 cheaper than FX60 just on the chip alone:)

Conroe will be very interesting :cool:

Intel Leap Years ahead ^_________^

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You cant double the score for SLI?? LOL?

Look, Yonah/Merom/Conroe are decent, matter of fact they are very fast @ PI, but they are just average with a normal A64 dual core for 3dmark 03-06.

My point is make your own conclusions, and dont succomb to overhyped vaporware, or your a tool.

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Originally Posted by fhpchris

The Aopen i975xa-YDG is crossfire compatible, and it is a modders board. Random people will pick it up and have that 266 fsb problem, but I dobut people like Hipro or キョセン(Kyosen) will sit down and accept that.

Yonah/Merom/Conroe will be great CPUs, but Only time will tell if they can eventually take the Records that AMD has, and if the speedbump known as AM2 can hold them off.



No crap its an overclocked system. Also, who cares if it runs 24-7? Is this www.dell.com?







Now lets look @ AMD from some random guy:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1915695
2.4ghz X2
1x 7900GTX 512MB "700/1800"
3DMark 05 11242

Im just wrong, Conroe WRECKS AMD!

He is even using an A8N SLI/2gb DDR400!



You cant double the score for SLI?? LOL?

Look, Yonah/Merom/Conroe are decent, matter of fact they are very fast @ PI, but they are just average with a normal A64 dual core for 3dmark 03-06.

My point is make your own conclusions, and dont succomb to overhyped vaporware, or your a tool.

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Im sorry but we have some people who just cant seem to READ !

I said CANT RUN 24/7 Not CAN !

Also I said and I said this twice... It MIGHT !!! BE MORE OR LESS than what I suggested with the doubling the numbers !! FFS....

Plz stop this :banana::banana::banana::banana:e NOW !

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Originally Posted by fhpchris

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Now we take VictorWang's setup
3DMark 05 11258

Conroe @ 2.4Ghz "STOCK"
1x 7900GTX 512MB "622/1880"

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Now lets look @ AMD from some random guy:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1915695
2.4ghz X2
1x 7900GTX 512MB "700/1800"
3DMark 05 11242

Im just wrong, Conroe WRECKS AMD!

He is even using an A8N SLI/2gb DDR400!

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Beautifully written dude..

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Originally Posted by ORCBEAST

Sigh...:rolleyes:

First rig: Currently Top of 3DMark05 20667

AMD FX60 @ 3.707Ghz "Used Dry Ice" Can't run that 24/7
2x ATI X1900XTX SLI "890/850"

Everyone agrees this is a heavily OC system


Now we take VictorWang's setup
3DMark 05 11258

Conroe @ 2.4Ghz "STOCK"
1x 7900GTX 512MB "622/1880"

This Conroe scores more than half that of a heavily OC system due to this not being in SLI only one card is running.

Just for fun lets add another card and double the score 22516.Allready higher than the the TOP 05 AMD setup. Now it should probably score a little lower or higher "not sure" in SLI than just multiplying the score like I did by two but this setup is still on a BETA BIOS and a STOCK Conroe and for $500 cheaper than FX60 just on the chip alone:)

Conroe will be very interesting :cool:

Intel Leap Years ahead ^_________^

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:toast:

" need I remind you that it's been around since the FIRST Pentium4?) " lol speaking of old things .... p6 architecture is from p.pro and pentium II

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Originally Posted by ORCBEAST

Im sorry but we have some people who just cant seem to READ !

I said CANT RUN 24/7 Not CAN !

Also I said and I said this twice... It MIGHT !!! BE MORE OR LESS than what I suggested with the doubling the numbers !! FFS....

Plz stop this :banana::banana::banana::banana:e NOW !

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Arguing about what might be is useless. You can have your opinion no problem but dont expect others to take your word for it and adopt the same thinking.

nn_step just said for you to wait for the final results becouse from all your post it can be said that your really hooked on Conroe but yet none has really had it. With your emotions tied to what your saying all your gonna start is a flame war and none wants that.

The guy who posted those scores made a valid point backed up by evidence there is nothing more to it.

As far as SLI/Crossfire go you are just rushing ahead of your self you need to slow down. No setup either SLI or Crossfire has ever had a 100% performance boost over a single card maybe 80% at best so doubling that score is not the way to go.


I tell you one thing i am glad that Intel has a proper contender or it will have later on in the year becouse that will make AMD even more competetive and in the end us the customers benfit.

So the point being you can argue which is fastest all you want but what is really important here is that Intel will get back on its feet, in a way, and that will lower the prices of all CPU's plus speed up the development of new ones.

The saying "It takes two to tango" kind of fits nicley here as withouth competition in a market the company's will just stop doing thier work and just chuck out anything that they can bother to build. Just look at Creative and thier cards, the hardware is good but the drivers are the worst i have ever seen.

Indeed fhpchris great post.:toast:

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Originally Posted by nn_step

Here is a very very simple Idea.
Make no judgements on it, until you can actually BUY ONE.
Some goes for AM2

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Making judgements about unavailable stuff is a part of digging hardware :toast:

Who will own the ORB 2H06 in you view?

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Originally Posted by jrw

Making judgements about unavailable stuff is a part of digging hardware :toast:

Who will own the ORB 2H06 in you view?

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My mom will, she's certifiably leet!

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Originally Posted by fhpchris

Now lets look @ AMD from some random guy:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1915695
2.4ghz X2
1x 7900GTX 512MB "700/1800"
3DMark 05 11242

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Taking projects at random can go both ways
2.6ghz x2, 7900gxt yet only 10900 3dmarks! So its less than the conroe at 200mhz faster!
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1939453

Im not saying mine is better than yours, but comparing 2 completly different systems and claiming one part of it is responsible for better/worse score is without any real value.

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Originally Posted by Ailleur

Taking projects at random can go both ways 2.6ghz x2, 7900gxt yet only 10900 3dmarks! So its less than the conroe at 200mhz faster! http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1939453 Im not saying mine is better than yours, but comparing 2 completly different systems and claiming one part of it is responsible for better/worse score is without any real value.

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Thanks guys! The score you linked could be lower because of ram or other common operating system tweaks -- either way, your looking at ~300 or less points, which just is nothing. The intresting thing is that the Yonah Celerons with 1mb of L2 cache seem almost just as fast as the 90nm AMD stuff, if not just a little faster(in PI). It would be intresting to see M2 use Z-Ram and have a similar cache. Either way, it will be intresting to see what happens in 2007.

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Originally Posted by LOE

and just what is making you think scores will scale 100% :slapass:

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Exactly, CF/SLi doesn't scale 100% on ANY platform...
In 3dmark05, it only 25-35%.... That's it. Single card of 11k means sli/cf score of about 13-14k.