I went ahead and got 939 because I figured really AM2 was gonna be more expensive. That was just me, and its plenty fast :)
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I went ahead and got 939 because I figured really AM2 was gonna be more expensive. That was just me, and its plenty fast :)
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Originally Posted by nn_step
for vista, 2 gigs is recomended, and if i rememeber correctly, xp recomends 256mb. so lets say most xtreme members use 2 gigs, thats 8 times as much as xp recomends. 2*8 = 16 gigs...... i know its an exadgeration(sp) but id say the average for us will be 4gigs+
If AM2 brings some stronger processors to the table, I'll bite, as DDR2 has some promising offers. However, if all they do is as DDR2 support, count me out, as my 3GHz 165 + 2GB of DDR500 -5Bf will do me fine.
What planet are you from? You're taking a product and running it at a certain degree outside of its minimal operating temperature. The product works fine...you however are going xtreme...you get what you pay for.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
Fortunately M2 will expand the limitation of 4Gb per board to a far more Vista acceptable number.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnewxcv
I still say go 939 and then wait untill AMD has AM2 go 65nm or just wait till socket F ;)
haha, i loved my barton 3000+. what other CPU can run almost 70C in a hot a$$ room with a desktop fan blowing on it, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by arisythila
Dont think he is Bashing AMD so just relax. Quite offencive you are!! :nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicksterr
No thats his point, he wont get what he'd paid for, he's got better cooling then a little alu heatsink, cooling that costs more then CPU itself, its quite uncool not being able to use it..Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicksterr
It wasnt even offending towards AMD... He could have mentioned the fact that the performance increase from s939 is minimal, and conroe will be way faster, but he didnt...
And 110nm -> -120 deg no problemo on FX55, 90nm on DICE isnt even possible with most FX57... (and the 3700+ bugs at +5), now imagine if the gap is the same with 90nm->65nm, will we see coldbug that hits temps so you cant even use watercooling on CPU? :slapass:
I completely agree on the coldbug issue, AMD are going to have to find a way to combat it to tempt me back after Conroe.
Of the five cpus I've had in the last eight months two of them have been cold bugged, one severely. The others weren't bugged because I hunted them down due their specific steppings which were known performers at sub zero. It's getting hard work chasing chips that will handle the cold.
Set upp a little poll AM2 VS Intel Conroe and its new brothers. And set the Question to Which will you most likely buy from what you have seen.
This might not be a very fair poll but its just for fun :)
If a poll is set up, be sure to include a 'Not Upgrading' or 'Sticking with 939' or what not for the users who are not going AM2 or upgrading to Conroe
A shame my infinity crapped out almost every week, else I would be still on a mobile K7. Respect! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by VulgarHandle
w/ 2 3Ghz + 1 2.7Ghz+ Opty 170s, don't need more for awhile, so I will step back and watch to see where the winds of change take everyone for awhile.... :D
OMG, if nn_step says it, it must be true!!!!
Back to reality...
AM2 in its current form gives little to no reason to upgrade from 939. Even Conroe, if it is the 15% boost over 939 we expect isn't anything to get excited about. 1H '07 is when the fun really begins as we start to see K8L from AMD (Socket M3 possibly?) and an updated nand featured chipset from Intel with revised southbridge (and possibly some tweaks to the Conroe core). Really, the only thing to consider between now and then is maybe a GPU upgrade but given that they'll be first gen DX10 stuff, waiting is probably the good call.
I'm confused and so are most of us I think from this statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Are you saying there will be a Socket M2 after AM2...Next year?
I don't think that's the case because AM2 and M2 are the same socket (copyright and naming issues). If that's true then why do you say M2 will be spectacular and AM2 won't be when they're the same thing.
Also, How is a socket ever Spectacular....it's what goes in the socket thats spectacular and so far what's going in AM2 is anything but "spectacular"...
I'd just like some clarification and I've become confused. If it was sarcasm than i totally missed it lol :p:
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Originally Posted by kiwi
I am pissed when coldbug is so bad that CPUs get further on stock heatsink than on phase change... (CAB2E 148). And how about a CCB1E 165 i tried, +25c and 333 HTT still locked up. The coldbug is absolutely MONSTROUS and the new bugged dual core Opties are too bugged even for chilled water. Hell when people are using cold AIR and things bug, you know its bad. Not all of us have phase, but when you pay hundreds of dollars for a phase unit, you goddamn want to use it.
Putting my single stage to good use is just another reason for me to skip AM2. 5$ say AM2 coldbugs just as bad as before.
I thought the coldbug was due to the implemented Memory controller. The AM2 still has the memory controller so most likely the cold bug issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absolute_0
AMD has 0 obligation to fix the cold bug because the CPU is being used outsides it's operating environment and thus they don't need to fix something that it never intended to do (spend money to redo everything to please the less than 1% of users who run phase)... don't see AMD taking this step.
If you want phase, I say go core duo but that sucks too because of the current board's Fsb limits.....
considering 3-3-3-x latancy is as low as you'll be able to go on the platform at release, I'm thinking I'm gonna skip this round also. If there's any truth in AM3 being released a year after AM2 (kinda like 754) then I'm definately skipping AM2.
Hmm, well, someone might know better, but looking through the specs from the AMD site, I couldn't see a lower temp limit specified for any chip. Abs 0 has a good point when chips cold bug at +12 or more, no, I don't think that's really acceptable either.Quote:
Originally Posted by n91htmare
All one can do is go for known performers like CDBHE or LDBHE; it's kind of limiting though. I'd like to have had an Opty 165 or 170 but I'm not going near them. Hell, I'd have bought an FX-60 but for the coldbug.
I think I'll stick with what I have for a good long while, so long as they keep working.
I was thinking of going to am2 too but am not planning on doing it immediately as am afraid that they might pull a a64 754 from socket a. have an intermediate socket w/ some improvements and then release a new socket shortly after.
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Originally Posted by HousERaT
I cuncur :cool:
Somebody give arisythila and nn_step a room please!;)
Why do people in forums for hardware even by x2 3800+ @ $300 when an opteron 165 has twice the cache and can hit much higher clocks at the same price? Is there a reason or do they just not know it?
Some of it's because the LDBHE stepping is only on the 512kb cache dual core chips, and that stepping is one of the best at handling sub-zero temps.