Where do i sign ? This is 10k less than my current car and it's not as fast as a porsche.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddy
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Where do i sign ? This is 10k less than my current car and it's not as fast as a porsche.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddy
LOL, 100,000 Litres of 95 Octane Gas?!Quote:
Originally Posted by leviathan18
Dude, I can sell that for $1.00~1.20 per Litre in Canada, damn...
so, 100,000 x 1.10 = $110,000 :slobber:
LMAO, I would sugget you go sell that premium gas yourself, and
buy yourself a nice new car :p:
P.S.
LoL, have you wonder how much it would cost alone to ship barrels
of gas from ven to Canada, hahaha :slap: That would cost couple
good computer parts alone
hey guys there is a sale/buy section in this forum, Please use it for all your transaction :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by topaimz
The house is a move up!Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
LOL, seeling and trading Cars on XS :DQuote:
Originally Posted by antipop
crazy crazy CRAZY antipop :p:
Sorry. Just saw a 2005 with 10k miles for 38k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Bob
I take that as a compliment :D :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by topaimz
Well, maybe a Boxster, but not a Cayman! It doesn't matter what you buy....soon as the purchase is made you find it 'cheaper' somewhere else! Well, I ain't sorry. I was bought out of a real lemon to get the Boxster and came out just fine, thank you, all the way around!Quote:
Originally Posted by eddy
No. I was asking you before if you paid 33k for it. Just wondering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Bob
Nice car. I like them a lot.
No, I didn't and as you probably figured out by now...I'm old school perhaps, but I ain't gonna tell!Quote:
Originally Posted by eddy
Thanks, I love it. I've had a 924 before, it's not anything like this....the Boxster is a real Porsche! It handles like a dream.
sorry, but a porsche is somethink uncontrollabeel for normel persons ..., i mean a real one, not the new stuff, overloaded with electronic suff and watercooled engine. the one's in the 70th and 80th are much harder to handel then the new one's. but once's you get out how to handel one of thow's you don't want to drive other cars anymore.
Porsche's are slick cars, congrats with that car! How's the MR driving for you? If you had a FR or 4WD then you're ok, but changing from FF to MR is a challenge :p:
Rofl at the 924, the fugliest porsche ever! That was a way to drive a porsche for cheapQuote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Bob
no no... 914.. that is the fugliest porsche ever.
amduser, Porsche has come a LONG way since the days of the 72' RS, and the boxster is about the most even keeled car on the road. period. if you drive 20 different sports cars in a race track you will probably find the Boxster to be in the top 3 of easiest to drive, if not first.
OMG i never saw a 914, what were the designer thinking when they did that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
they werent... thats all that I can think of. plain and simple. they stopped thinking.
anyway i ment the 911. sure, the boxer is nice, but that's no porsche feeling. it's like, everybody can drive ist. the 911's were really agressiv and actually hard to handle. i don't know, but a sportcard should be hard to handle. it's more fun, then to drive somethink, that everbody can drive. buy the way, the first 911 turbo got prodeced to the year 1989 and when you have driven one of them, you get to know what i mean. it's just a whole different think, then to drive a boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
havnt actaully driven one, but I know exactly what you mean. I dont know if I agree with a sports care being purposely hard to handle around turns. I'd venture a guess that other than thes stupidly high power output and 180 degree lock to lock steering wheel, and F1 car is actaully pretty dam easy to drive.. and rather easy to drive REALLY fast (comapred to street cars ) once you get a few hours of driving time so that you can get the feel for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by amduser
One of the fastest cars around the track, and VERY well mannered was a vaccum car designed by Gordon Murray back in the 70's no holds bar can-am series. the thing had 2 fans that sucked the car to the ground to improve corning. the car could corner about 30% faster than ANY car at the time.. It was essentially point and shoot around turns. Now worrys about the fishtailing, over and understeer were a thing of hte past with this car.. but it got banned after 2 races.
and adding to ease of driving is paddle shift... stick shift vs. paddle shift... no brainer there when going for performance.. F1 racing gearbox is easily 10 time faster than the BEST drivers using a manual box.
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Originally Posted by topaimz
here is cheapo i can find 100k liters of gasoline for 3k$ damn i need a ship to sell it over there that is some money gain xD
actually you don't know what i mean. real porsche fealing is somethink else then a boxer or cayman. it's drives just totaly diverent. with a porsche you have to drift more (*don't mean that drifting stuff, but that the tail drifts slightly more(*don'T know how to descripe it well on english*)*) then with a cayman to achieve good time on a track. that's the difference from a 911 to pretty much any other sports car. it's just a total different fealing to drive fast in a 911 and a boxer. anyway, there it no doubt, that the boxer is well balanced, and with a other engine, better brakes it would be pretty much a verry succesfull car on tracks arround the world. too, there is no doubt, that a cayman s ist faster then a 911 carrera on must race tracks aroudn the world. but it just has not the characteristic porsche feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
It's difficult to compare rear engine configuration to mid engine, guys. Totally different animals.
The 914, 924 & 928 were all VW?Audi collaborated vehicles designed to help open the market.
Wanna talk about a real handling Porsche? I look at the limited production 959 with rear engine 4 wheel drive. It still stands out as a formidable car!
That "vacuum car" was first built by Chaparral (Jim Hall) as I recall. http://www.motorsportshalloffame.com..._Hall_main.htmIt was about 7 or 8 years ahead of the 78 Swedish GP debut of the Brabham-Alfa BT46B http://www.forix.com/8w/fancar.htmlQuote:
Chaparral 2J "Vacuum Cleaner", the first ground effects race car, allowed him to sail at incredible speeds through the corners, due to an auxiliary motor that created a vacuum under the car to increase traction.
J2:
http://www.motorsportcollector.com/C...TOS2/2Jp2.jpeg
Funny, both were outlawed! I've seen Halls J2 at Riverside, CA raceway before that track was torn down. I also got my first real drive in a 911S at that track. The Boxster has a 49/51 % weight distribution and has almost no body lean into a corner. The late 60's 911's were nowhere near that but for a production sport scar? They were the cat's meow in my book. It took damn near 40 years to get my hands on this one. Now I'm hooked! Having a designated 2 seater is definitely not a family car, however. I had to wait awhile. The 924 was something I bought real cheap and fixed for immediate sale. I enjoyed driving it but it was fraught with problems both in design and execution. In the end it would never had made a daily driver that my Boxster is now!
The cars known for their unparalled handling ability (to this day to be exact) were the Porsche 956 and and 962, could drive the car with one hand going 240mph down the Mulsanne straight and have enough time to look around, then when it came to braking and cornering, it left their competetion in the dust..
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Originally Posted by amduser
I know exactly what you mean. If i was going to describe the handling difference between a Cayman and a 911, i would describe it almost exactly the same. Despite never having driven either, I read enough driving and handling analysis of these cars to have a good description of how they drive.
bob, that is correct. the chaparell was the first, but it was indeed designed by Gordon Murray (he designed the Mclaren F1, Merc Mclaren SLR, the Mclaren F1 racing cars during the time they were successful, and a myriad of ot her cars).
the chapparal got outlawed since it did a good job of vacuum-cleaning the
road. the downside was that the little stones and crap it would pick up in
the process were launched at the cars behind it...bingo dangerous to any
openwheel car.. or even to closed ones, when the windscreen shatters,
that ain't funny.
besides that my own view of sportscars, real sportscars ;) that is, is that
they have to be somewhat difficult to drive. i'm not a fan of electronics
in the car, the more, the worse the car is. but that just seems to be the
trend these days. i can still remember the (not so long ago) days, when
the entry level ferraris were equipped with an adaptive powersteering, that
would increase the level of "support" the slower you went. this was back
in the days of the 348. an uproar went through the ferrari-following, "that
ain't no ferrari anymore" ... well nowadays they all have it, and probably
wouldn't really be driveable without by most people...
but putting all these electronic gadgets into todays (sports)cars is paying
a tribute to the ever increasing amount of power those cars get. back in
1987 the f40 had 478hp, now almost the entry level cars have that kinda
power (though not the power to weight ratio).. in a way, that's why i like
the mclaren f1 and the elise (until 2006). no such crap as traction control,
esp, blabla - to me those are just false symbols of safety, oh and they
take the fun out of the driving when enabled...
and that's what a friend of mine said when he did a testdrive a boxter some
years ago - almost boring to the point of being just one out of 10.000 cars,
until he deactivated the traction control, the stability stuff and the abs...
that is driving ;)
(maybe i'm getting old ahem)
I will agree that its a much truer driving experience without all the gizmos, but without power steering, no one would be able to turn the wheel on a 3500 pound maraleno.
for cars like the elise (which i still like, dont know what your on about with it), ariel atom, etc, power steering isnt so much needed due to their light weight. a decently strong person could turn the wheel evne with the car not moving.