F die Micron and the truth on speed yield.

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03-21-2006, 01:57 PM
Revv23

so who wants to be the first to test 3v?

tony? you feel like spending a month trying to kill a set? id say run it in a high load enviroment at 3v 24/7 for 30days and see what you get.
03-21-2006, 02:10 PM
Tony

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Originally Posted by Revv23

so who wants to be the first to test 3v?

tony? you feel like spending a month trying to kill a set? id say run it in a high load enviroment at 3v 24/7 for 30days and see what you get.

I need the kits here for board validation, or i would. TBH voltages are much better if they are uber fine and not large steps and high vdimm, i proved this with the ultra D with TCCD at 300+ at 2.65vdimm where other boards were needing 2.8v and the same board needing 2.7+ unmodded.
03-21-2006, 02:23 PM
seferio

FINALLY, exactly what I wanted to see GJ OCZ with coming out with some REAL average results. I was wondering why you guys would market them as the inbetween UCCC and CE-5/6 sticks and they really are turning out to be that.

FYI I'm pretty sure I'm stable at 265 @ 2.8V atm, but with tweakage I might be able to do somewhere in the 270s maybe as high as 280s. I have tried up to 2.9V and it does seems to help a bit at the higher clockspeeds. 5b-f sticks aren't bad, but they aren't the Infineon killer.
03-21-2006, 02:39 PM
OV3RCLOCK3R

Good research Tony.:)

P.s, Which part of Manchester you from? I'm in manchester aswell:)
03-21-2006, 02:58 PM
ozzimark

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Originally Posted by Revv23

so who wants to be the first to test 3v?

i've given mine 3.1v, but not for more than ~2 hours total. not enough time to really notice anything imo. considering what happened with D, i wouldn't be surprised if micron put some extra effort into making F exceptionally durable :p: (not saying that they did though..)
03-21-2006, 03:01 PM
nn_step

here I was thinking I got only midrange sticks with 280mhz but it turns out my sticks are kick ass?
Talk about Ironic
03-21-2006, 03:04 PM
ozzimark

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Originally Posted by nn_step

here I was thinking I got only midrange sticks with 280mhz but it turns out my sticks are kick ass?
Talk about Ironic

well, the thing to keep in mind, even if Tony is testing two kits that top out under 270mhz.. the fact that mine can do 295mhz means that some 5b F can do those speeds. honestly, probably not too many, but somewhere out there, there's a few sticks that beat mine ;)
03-21-2006, 03:06 PM
uOpt

Not liking this much.

The Infineon sticks turn out 3d unstable under higher volts and frequencies.

The Micron sticks are suspected to die under spec voltage and frequency (if you can believe that people had them die at 2.8 V and 250 MHz which is Cruicial's spec).

So that leaves UCCC? :(
03-21-2006, 03:06 PM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by ozzimark

well, the thing to keep in mind, even if Tony is testing two kits that top out under 270mhz.. the fact that mine can do 295mhz means that some 5b F can do those speeds. honestly, probably not too many, but somewhere out there, there's a few sticks that beat mine ;)

Dude you got a hand picked set of sticks.. I lucked out..
I am doubtful that no more than two dozen people will hit above 275
03-21-2006, 03:09 PM
ozzimark

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Originally Posted by nn_step

Dude you got a hand picked set of sticks.. I lucked out..
I am doubtful that no more than two dozen people will hit above 275

i am quite aware of that, and i honestly feel bad about not fully understanding my situation earlier as i have mislead a lot of people :(

however! even if hand-picked, these speeds don't just magically appear. it's not like all sets are gonna do 260-280mhz, with one set magically 15mhz higher. there's gonna be a few in the 280-300mhz range, though most likely a lot less than we were hoping for

uOpt, that was 5b D. if 5b F showed the same failing tendancies, i don't think OCZ would have released 5b F based sticks. ;)
03-21-2006, 03:17 PM
bachus_anonym

@ozzimark,

Naturally, you're right. Your results show that -5B:F is capable of what you achieved and it's great that you have such a good pair of sticks. But most likely not many sets are as good as yours. It's same situation with every other 2GB kit - UCCC can pull 305Mhz 8-4-4-3.0-1T, and hell, we've even seen end-user's Mushkin's CE-6 that apparently feels very comfortable zipping thru 3D @ 290MHz 5-2-3-3.0...
Bottom line is, those are lucky sets and way above what average user will get 95% of the time :fact:
03-21-2006, 03:19 PM
uOpt

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Originally Posted by ozzimark

uOpt, that was 5b D. if 5b F showed the same failing tendancies, i don't think OCZ would have released 5b F based sticks. ;)

I know but it still makes a difference.

For my TCCD I was able to just bump them up to 3.0 V for a SuperPi 32M run under maximum cooling. Just one hour or so. Then they go back to 2.8 V and run happily everafter.

If I had a Micron equipped set I would never do that, and it takes some of the fun out of the "enthusiast" activity.

The Infineon seems to screw up in 3D under higher voltage but at least it doesn't keep you from messing with it for other benchmarking and going back when you are done.
03-21-2006, 03:21 PM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by uOpt

I know but it still makes a difference.

For my TCCD I was able to just bump them up to 3.0 V for a SuperPi 32M run under maximum cooling. Just one hour or so. Then they go back to 2.8 V and run happily everafter.

If I had a Micron equipped set I would never do that, and it takes some of the fun out of the "enthusiast" activity.

The Infineon seems to screw up in 3D under higher voltage but at least it doesn't keep you from messing with it for other benchmarking and going back when you are done.

Hence UCCC is still king..
03-21-2006, 03:22 PM
ozzimark

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Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

Bottom line is, those are lucky sets and way above what average user will get 95% of the time :fact:

sadly true, which is partially why i really hope micron manages to get yields up.
thanks for understanding the point that i was trying to make :toast:
03-21-2006, 03:36 PM
EnJoY

My Cronus are stuck at 275MHz 24/7 stable. I can get 280 everything but prime/game stable. So I guess my set is above average, or just their operator. ;)
03-21-2006, 03:47 PM
TheMeatFrog

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Originally Posted by Tony

I could have OCZ send me a cherry pair, post here and BS you all into thinking F die can run huge speeds, but im not like that and neither are OCZ. i spend weeks making sure end users are getting close to or better than the speeds i report on forums so that we suffer no backlash from end users. We saw some issues recently over 4000EB and looked after all customers who had poor overclocking experiences, so we are committed to CS especially when it comes to the enthusiast but we want these end users to remain level headed.

Amen Tony, it's really sad when companies hype up products based on cherry picked hardware. Glad to see OCZ is above that. :toast:
03-21-2006, 03:48 PM
Coroner Kyle

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Originally Posted by Tony

But end user results are what we need from all manufacturers.

I am in total agreement. I love seeing sticks go faster and run tighter, but when you are basing a purchase solely on the results you have seen and they are skewed favorably it does the consumer (me) no good. I don't hold a grudge against anyone showing us some great results and if I were a manufacturer I would want my ram to make a good showing also, but the buyer must beware of the possibility that they are seeing a pair of spectacular sticks.
03-21-2006, 03:50 PM
nn_step

I think I should pick up a set of OCZ just to see what another random stick of Micron can do.. I lucked out with the Team set I got.. I wonder what I might get with an OCZ set :D
03-21-2006, 04:02 PM
chinkgai

i love ocz
03-21-2006, 06:27 PM
situman

Hmm not a very good way to start out, Teamgroup. Artificially hyping up the product to increase demand for what is essentially a mainstream product. Giving cherry picked sticks to the reps to test (i'm not blaming the reps, its all on the company's head). Now unless Teamgroup do something to show good faith, they lost a couple of thousand life long customers. Guess where they will go...-> OCZ, Mushie, G.Skill. Good job, good job!
03-21-2006, 06:32 PM
WC Annihilus

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Originally Posted by foodfightr

Tony I wish this board had reputation points because I would give you a million. This is by far the most honest ram post I've seen in a long time.

Then ask the mods to make one ;) I know of at least one site that has a repping system.

This is definately a nice honesty statement, and though I've never bought OCZ, this makes me feel better :D
03-21-2006, 07:15 PM
nugzo

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Originally Posted by situman

Hmm not a very good way to start out, Teamgroup. Artificially hyping up the product to increase demand for what is essentially a mainstream product. Giving cherry picked sticks to the reps to test (i'm not blaming the reps, its all on the company's head). Now unless Teamgroup do something to show good faith, they lost a couple of thousand life long customers. Guess where they will go...-> OCZ, Mushie, G.Skill. Good job, good job!

I was extremely unhappy with my 265 max from the cronus micron. I ordered it solely based on that 1 thread. So unhappy i felt i needed to sell it and try again. I ordered 2 sets of the cronus infineon/Aenoen after seeing cas 2 at 260ish and cas 2.5 approaching 300. I guess i'm hoping that these end user sticks will be a little closer to what was posted, compared to the micron post. I have some other infineon ce-6 that is @ 290 3-3-5-2 3D/Prime/SuperPi/Memetest stable that were not hand picked. I'm praying i get as lucky with the new team group infineon. If results aren't even close to what was posted, i will not buy anymore teamgroup products. They will not get me a 3rd time.

I applaud you tony for this thread. I love your modded bios's as well. Keep up the good work. My next memory purchase will be OCZ.

Tony, does OCZ have any Infineon/Aenoen IC's in the works? or available?

Is this Infineon/Aenoen the same infineon as the ce-5 or ce-6 that is already out?
03-21-2006, 07:55 PM
Aversio

Thank you Tony. Sometimes it's too easy to fall for the hype of some cherry picked sticks without fully thinking it all out.
03-21-2006, 09:49 PM
STEvil

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Originally Posted by WC Annihilus

Then ask the mods to make one ;) I know of at least one site that has a repping system.

This is definately a nice honesty statement, and though I've never bought OCZ, this makes me feel better :D

The rep system gets abused as far as i've seen.

If a poster is worth his weight in rep the community knows his (or her!) name ;)
03-21-2006, 10:00 PM
WC Annihilus

Ah, well the forum that I've seen it on (and am a member of :) ) is a much smaller community, so it works for us

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