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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Early batch of 55BN 'T' chip...eat volts for lunch:)
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8117/x18ry.jpg
cpuz read it as claw..
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/7040/x21tb.jpg
And this 'N' chip with default volt....
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9746/x30ld.jpg
ive had two N chips that have seen 2v and more vcore. and ran 1.8v and higher 24/7
Yep screenies with some 24/7 prime then............ Or i could just say yah i have 2 T chips here that im running 4.0 volts through 24/7
Also should note winchester and older doesn't count................Nor does boiling water according to your sig...
"So far, in my humble experience, "N" chips are cold bugged to hell and "T" chips aren't. Anyone want to contradict that assertion? :)"
Sorry guys, I was talking cobblers. The "N" I have under phase at the moment turns out to be ok.
my cabye 0540 is an N chip and it can certainly manage cold
-35C 330-340Mhz HTT idle
Interesting.... I have a 4400 'N' rock solid at 2.6 with 1.41vcore.. anything above requires at least 1.5v.
2.8 was possible with 1.5v but generated a lot of heat which my Typhoon can't really handle as my tcasemax is only 55°. :(
More than similar experience here (same stepping, no signs of coldbug at the same temps at 355HTT)....and my "N" 4400+ loves volts (1.67V is its sweetspot on shoddy water).Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I really don't know what they mean, but if s7eph3n has all Ts, I think I should get some :)
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7839/vap3my.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/2526/10x2801m3bq.jpg
How's this 4400+ on plain water? :D BTW - IHS STILL INTACT ;)
Yes, sorry Dinos, I talked rubbish. I'm dual SP2004 this 0607 3800 "N" at 345x9, evap -34C and core -9C under load.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Hey s7e9h3n, that must be excellent internal contact on that 4400. Like I've got a 25C differential between coolant and core here, that's a lot (although 1.616v).
It may be more due to the fact that it's an ADV4400. My first review on one of these cpu's had it running dual 8m's at default speed @ 1.0Vcore on phase :p: Here's a quick run @ 1.63. (Don't mind the voltages as I was trying something else with these settings ;))Quote:
Originally Posted by stone_cold_Jimi
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3...2601mbh4bl.jpg
Oh yeah, I remember! Never seen one since though :(Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Here's an "N" that crashed at default because 1.328v core is too high subzero. It needed 1.23v on phase to be happy.
ok guys we are talking high volts though........... T and N mean nothing with coldbug trust me. I didnt start that coldbug thread for nothing. It has to do with how resilient they are to voltage. Etc i've run t chips with alot higher voltage 1.8.........and they love large voltage bumps. N chips seem to like low voltage bumps and stop scaling with high 1.75 to 1.9 voltage in most cases, they also usually die if kept there to long.......
Just to solidify this more S7 was asked to Obtain me a 3.2 24/7 low voltage chip( I have an aversion to running over 1.6v 24/7). Guess what letter it has.............
still doesn't really prove anything..Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
maybe we should ask AMD
Or (and i'm not trying to be an ass) I suggest you do a days worth of searching on this forum for cpu deaths and max voltage to chips + max OC's. I did it for 2 weeks straight till I had them all compiled however i will not submit my results do to the fact that when you saw them there would be a mass buying spree for a particular stepping. Lets just say based on my analysis you could tell me what you were looking for in a chip and i could tell you the exact stepping that would give you the results you wanted.
I think this is the same reason stephen has "No Comment"
:stick: : I have really never liked the "I know but I'm not telling." Why tell us you know something if your not going to tell us? If it's a secrect, why not keep it to yourself instead of I know a secrect but am not telling? I'm not trying to be harsh with you, just asking questions. If you feel it is harsh, just go ahead and :slap: me .
lol yeh, if you know something you should tell really, that's what this forum is all about and why I created this thread..Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
Ok well here's part of the conflicting issue. Those testing the chip on air water are not going to see the results I'm talking about. Being that T chips like higher voltage they run hotter. Once you eliminate heat from the equasion you will see what I'm trying to explain.
As far as steppings Go and my research you can ask anyone here that I am more than helpfull if you PM me. I'm just not going to make a thread about it as even with all my research it is still just theory. I can not gurantee clock speeds as each chip has a max, I can just lead you in the right direction of what your looking for.The answers are in this forum you just have to look for them.
Also the other reason is preety clear in this thread alone why i don't make a thread about it......You don't belive it and have questioned my knowledge on this subject through the whole thread...........
Dog's You of all people can verify that I have no problem leading you in the right direction via PM. Etc who approved your recent X2 buy........ I also take into account peoples cooling when making suggestions or approvals. Dog's I knew you had phase.......
Hey, I give as much info about cpu's as I possibly can (and in fact, I reveal probably more than I should). I'm not about to get myself or anybody I know in a comprimising position with AMD. There are reasons for NDA's and I'm not about to directly violate any of those just because I have that info....:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
my recent one is 72C my other is 67CQuote:
Originally Posted by Willis
I agree. It's a total load of crap. "T" and "N" obviously mean something. If it's signifigant or not I don't know. Most of my chips have been "T" and everything I touch loves voltage. Then again gocchin has my "T" 146 at 3ghz+ prime stable at like 1.45v. I also needed 1.9v for 3.6ghz on dice so who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
I don't see how explaining the difference between a letter on the substrate could hurt AMD. But even worse is the "NDA" on the 7800GTX vddq mod and saying that they can't talk about certain drive strength setting info on the EXPERT. It pisses me off that they would hype something up like that that then say "sorry can't tell you" when it doesn't work.
well that comment wasn't aimed at you... even though you refused to release info :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
tbh guys whats the point of doing research if you don't release your results.. the way we get through science discoveries etc is by publishing our results and for others to come along and continue the work and experiments etc, it's the same concept here is it not?
Be pissed all you want, it still won't get anywhere with people who do know that info. It's not like I started any thread saying "I know XXXX and can't say". All I 'm implying is that the info is out there, it's just not supposed to be revealed for one reason or another. If, say, Jason was to tell you something and ask that you not tell anyone else, would you come on the forums and announce this info??Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
And my comment wasn't directed at you ;) I'm just trying to explain my stance on the whole issue. Some info I reveal is a product of my own testing and can be proven by my work and the work of fellow forum members. Other info isn't and therefore I can't produce thorough enough results to back up these claims.....Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
Of course I wouldn't. Two things though:
1:He doesn't hide silly things (I'm sure the meaning of "T" and "N" won't cause a revelation)
2:I wouldn't go around blabbering "I KNOW ALL OF JASONS SECRETS AND TWEAKS FOR RECORDS AND JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU SORRY HAHA" even if you're not making a thread about it you're still pissing people off by saying you know what it means but you can't say. And I'm not the only one that doesn't like it.