All good points.
Now what were the volts set in the BIOS? :)
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All good points.
Now what were the volts set in the BIOS? :)
hehe yeah I know,, well lets hope for the best because I just got an fedex tracking email from Monarch saying my package was shipped 6 pound package which sounds about right,,,, i wonder how since they said they wouldnt have any more boards till the 12th,,,Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
Expert it is,,,
dfi board = unrealiable
asus = realiable
get asus and it overclocks better and looks better imo
no offense but...you would think you would have learned after 2 dead mobos and 2 gig of ram and 1 cpu...Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
No one said its the users. Perhaps it was the board...perhaps not. But, even if it was, it doesn't make it an epidemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
All this hysteria reminds of the the KX7 days. And the NF7 days. And the 8RDA days. And the old DFI NF4 days. And so on, and so on.
Watching these threads over the years is funny. Same complaints, just different boards.
The point is that a few failed CPUs doesn't make an "issue." And, now that this has received some exposure, every tom, :banana::banana::banana::banana:, and harry with a bad system for any reason is going to chime in. Its the same pattern year after year, board after board. Its kind of amusing really.
LOL...try telling that to my two dead 6800 Ultra cards that my Asus board killed last February. They were Asus EN6800Ultra TOP cards too.Quote:
Originally Posted by calcal
I just sucked it up, tossed the board, and went to try something else.
wow i would cry if that happened lolQuote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
i agree tho all kinds of hardware will fail because the crap is so cheaply made. but unless we wanna spend 500-600 dollars on a motherboard they are always gonna be consumer electronics prone to failure. i just try to be smart and i get lucky most times but ive had plenty of hardware die on me but i get over it.
Did I really have an option till recently? :P In fact, I have Asus A8N32 on my way right as we speak and opty 175. Should be here tomorrow morning...Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
Also grabbed asus crossfire board to play with from newegg so we shall see how that one behaves... I just hope it didn't kill ballistix again...
Yep. I remember all the problems I read about the DFI NF2 kept me away from that board but in retrospect I think missed out on the top NF2 board and settled for an Abit NF7 because of the fear of what might have happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
I can understand why some members are concerned about the Expert. Members with some impressive credentials have lost some invaluable CPUs. But thats part of the cycle mdzcpa is talking about. You can sit back and wait for the next revision or jump in now and find out for yourself whats up with this board.
I would actually like to see more XS members jump on the Asus and Abit boards so we can see more results from newer NF4 boards. I thought I might try the Asus but finally decided there was more potential fun to be had from a marginal OC increase than a stable board with unspectaular HTT on the Asus.
I'm cracking an Expert open on Monday. I start with a Venice 3000+.:chicken:
If things don't work out with the Expert, I'll pick up the Asus for a game platform and go into gaming mode until something better comes out. :D
I already gave the new Asus A8N SLI 16 a whirl, but I didn't like it. The layout was horrible rendering all other PCI slots useless when using 2 double slotted video cards in SLI. With two GTX 512 cards installed, nothing else could be added. Bad design. In addition, the CPU voltage was funky as were some of the other BIOS settings. I sold it 3 days after it arrived. Its not a bad board, it just had some serious short comings for my own taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
Heck, I'll go any ANY brand board. I have no stock in DFI. I'll go with what works. And right now the DFI boards just happen to be it. I could care less about brand loyalty here...I just think its amatuerish to bash any peice of hardware with a few early reports of hardware failure instead of understanding the risks associated with the hobby.
"As for my story jiving I wish I took that guys name who answerd my call cause it sure jived with him he said they had a bunch of dead boards that failed the test to see if they worked,,, if not they have some very creative lieing sales people"
IMO the guy who is lying is the one who said they had no problem and are not handling them in a special way ever....
Or maybe he just doesn't know or doesn't care....
Telling the thruth is rather rare (very bad PR)...
I don't think so. We have a corporate account with Monarch and I spoke to the guy I've been dealing with for 2 years. He is a senior salesman.Quote:
Originally Posted by softpain
The only time I've been jerked around at Monarch was when I ordered this DFI board last month. I called the normal sales line (because it was a personal purchase), and got the run around as to when the board might be shipped. They charged my credit card without shipping the board and I was pissed. I received lame excuses as to why. They finally admitted that they "over sold" the board.
I smell the same thing here. They over sold and need an excuse. This time the guy is blaming the board.
When I saw this thread, I called corporate sales to confirm. He had to call me back after he took the time to look into it. I beleive I received a stright answer. Our company puts serious bucks into this account (of course we order all the plain jane vanilla stuff).
What board exactly was that?Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
Good posts, BTW. While I only have one DFI board, I don't like to see its reputation damaged until proven. My SLI-DR is clearly a very good piece of hardware and I don't have any of the issues (killing or non-killing) that people report, except for a Seasonic PSU non-starter.
If I had listened to threads like this from the NF4 times I would have wasted endless evening of my time (because the Asus boards require much more work overclocking than the DFI).
If it turns out that the original claim that Monarch holds these boards is untrue (doesn't have to be the original poster, the theory that some Monarcher looked for a cheap excuse holds potential), this would be a contra-productive thread.
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Originally Posted by Martin Cracauer
I definetly see what your saying but just to clarify I never meant to start a rumor mill or some bogus thread I was just posting exactly what Monarch told me and asking for advice. Obviously I didnt speak to some head honcho at monarch but rather some normal sales guy so the odds of him lieing to me are good I would have to say.
Especially since I got an email saying my board should be at my house tomorrow and the guy on the phone told me no new boards were coming in till the 12th....
I am hoping its all hysteria and it runs like a dream,,,
Martin Cracauer would you mind explaining the seasonic PSU problem,,, does it apply to the expert?
I agree. My money is on Monarch looking for a lame excuse after not shipping boards sold as in-stock.
On the other hand, it might be that Monarch has orders out to their employees that vendor problems are never to be reported to customers, that the initial person you talked to disobeyed that order, but everybody has been brought in line now.
Seasonic PSUs often don't power up DFI NF4 boards. Supposedly a new revision of Seasonic PSUs fixed this (A02 or somesuch) and supposedly they'll exchange it for you if you have one experiencing the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by demonbane23
Unfortunately, it has proven impossible to get any kind of useful information out of the DFI people at dfi-street as to whether it is a DFI or Seasonic problem. All I see there is one-sentense claims without any technical detail from DFI and quoted mails from Seasonic people which are clearly confused about basic things like power and voltage. It has also proven impossible to get a direct contact inside Seasonic to call about this.
Given that my Seasonics are my best PSUs and symptoms observed I concluded for now that the boards draw insufficient power and the PSUs don't realize there's a board connected.
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Originally Posted by Martin Cracauer
thanks for the info,, now I just recived my brand new seasonic S-12 600 watt SLI power supply yesterday in the mail and it was advertised as "the new version" am I to assume that it will work or when I hook this whole rig up is there a chance i hit the switch and nothing happens, when my dfi expert board comes in tomorrow,,,"
Nope I hate the way those guys deal with their customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
Just pointing out the fact that many people have their boards working and getting great overclocks.
Yes the ASUS A8N32-SLI is a bit more stable. However the eXpert isnt one of those suicider boards thats just goes and takes everything with it. It is a pretty solid board. There have been a few cases of course but thats with every new product.
If some people are afraid go and get the a8n but please for chrissake dont WHINE ABOUT IT. :slapass:
People are still whining about OPBS isolated case. Plenty of guys have their boards working without any probs. My board doesnt even have the cut transitors. Everything is perfect :cool:
If your not extreme enough for the expert and can deal with a bit smaller headroom for OC and dont mind water cooling your SLI cards go with the asus a8n32 sli great board.
I was referring to the A8N32-SLI (with X16 both channels). The layout simply blows chunks if you run 2 dual slot cards. Short of that it seemed like a high quality board. If your not worried about space, I'm sure its a fine peice of hardware.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Cracauer