How can you tell if its a rubycon or nichicon board?
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How can you tell if its a rubycon or nichicon board?
There were pictures posted on another thread of the differences between the two types. Search for them unless someone has the link handy.
I think part of what is generating confusion about the A7N8X board is all the variations of hardware, software, and not having apples to apples comparisons between the various boards and setups regarding what can be done with stated higher FSB adjustments. Most people who are saying they can get to a certain FSB, do not then say what they are actually doing once at that speed. Here is a list of some of the variations that make this confusing (at least for me). I think some who think their board is stuck at a certain FSB do not have the same setups as others getting higher results, but you rarely hear the whole story to know.
- Deluxe vs. Non-Deluxe boards
- Rubicon or Nichicon (supposedly better) voltage regulators on different manufacturing dates of the deluxe boards.
- Various BIOS versions from original 1001-C, then 1001-E, 1001-G, 1002-Beta, 1002-Beta-Uber (custom edited to add in Northbridge chipset voltage adjustment of 1.6, 1.7, 1.8 instead of no adjustment in BIOS where it was fixed at 1.6v)
- Various BIOS settings of RAM timings, voltages, devices disabled,
- Type & amount of RAM
- Type & amount of power supply
- Type of CPU, & if L12 3rd bridge was cut &/or unlocked lower multipliers with various methods(including certain BIOS versions, conductive ink, wire in sockets/pins, using windshield defogger repair kits, etc.).
- Type of Video Card
- Type of HD for main OS
- Types of cooling-air/water/refrigeration of CPU, Northbridge, Video Card chip, FSB, etc.
- Volt modding of memory, Northbridge Chipset, CPU, &/or Video card chip.
- POSTing-Able to Power On Self Test with a given FSB
- Successfully loading into Windows
- Being able to run WCupid or some simple Sandro2003 utilities
- Being able to run a complete 3dMark2001 test
- Being able to run & publish a complete 3dMark2001 score.
Obviously, it's one thing to be able to post with 230+ FSB, and quite another to successfully load windows, and then yet another leap to be able to successfully run a complete 3dMark2001 and have the score published for public verification of the FSB claim.
In my mind, anything short of the last accomplishment is useless on a practical basis. Hearing about a high FSB claim that you cannot verify, and able to run all your demanding games & programs day after day is of no useful value. The most extreme claims are the artificial scores that people get on 3dMark while pouring liquid nitrogen over components to cool them for a few minutes.
That's an interesting experiment, like doing the Mr. Wizard trick of freezing a rubber ball in Liquid Nitrogen and seeing it shatter on the floor. But if you want to actually play ball, you need a rubber ball that bounces well at ambient temperature, and Mr. Wizard can't help with that one.
For example, I can POST up to 228 x 7.0 with no volt mods, using only water cooling of cpu NB Video, have a rubicon model, 256x256x512mb's Corsair XMS3500 ram (5-2-2-2) cpu volt 1.80, bios 1002-beta-uber chip voltage set at 1.7, but cannot get into Windows, so whoop dee doo.
'nuff said
most ppl claimed to achieve 200MHz ++ with the statement 'I can run' but NOT 'I am running'.. yet to see any achievements made with air-cooling and without any voltage mods..
i am all air. i have the uber1002.001 and can do a full pcmark and 3dmark with 211x12. that is as high as i tried last night. but, as you say, i have not gamed yet.
Where is your published 3dMark score result with that FSB?
Your signature link only shows your PC Mark score running a FSB of 185.
I would like to admire your result!
Heres one 100% aircooled no vmod whatsoever
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5628692
Highest fsb achieved to open WCPUID
[IMG]www3.telus.net\luis99\l218[/IMG]
still cant get it to do anything over 200 fsb in 3dmark
it goes in for about 2 seconds and restarts
i got nichion caps too
Yeah that's typical though mrbucket. Also why I wanted to see linkponders PUBLISHED 3dMark result (which I don't expect to see).
i hate to bring this one back, but i'm wondering, has anyone verified the voltages with a DMM?
i don't think this bios actually does anything.
I don't either. I went back to 1002.001 beta, as I'm happy with these scores:
PCMark Score CPU-6,991/Memory-6,105/HDD-1,141
3DMark2001 Score 18,218
Hey one question though still as a noobie. What does the PC Mark tell you (vs. 3dMark2001)? I don't know how to interpret it.
And whoever said the DX-8.1 w/ Catalyst 2.5 (vs. DX 9.0/Catalyst 3.0) on the Radeon9700 would give 3dMark scores 600 points higher, it only had mine go up from 18,151 to 18,218
pcmark appears to benchmark your systems memory, CPU and hard drive. but you knew that. i think it focuses on 2D stuff and office-like stuff.
Yo people
Dunno about you but I'm strugglin to find out exactly where this A7N8X is at. Mikee made some good points earlier in the thread, and cos of this I have decided to start a new thread.
Don't know if anyones gonna pay any attention to it, but it is worth a go. Might be a bit too much to ask, we will have to see.
Anyway, if ya don't mind, point yer browser in direction of my link below. Anything is appreciated
Cheers
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&threadid=8397
It's called A7N8x comparison data pool, and it does exactly what it says on the tin (I hope - eventually)
:toast:
WOW Mik33! :toast:
That's a serious 3DMark score. I hope to get there soon (once the Rev2 Abit NF7-S comes out). I have gotten my 9700 Pro to 387/390 but my FSB is only 189 right now because of the board I'm running.
Rick, thanks but honestly I still really don't know what it means or how to interpret it. Any of you who know me realize I really am just a newbie with this. I just started out wanting to check out the design of a new .Net forum that a friend Andrew designed at OCModshop.com and also had a problem not being able to play BF1942 on my aging Athlon 1.4 in KT-266 non-a A7M266 (POS) mobo.
After talking to Glock who spent a lot of time walking me through various features, I ended up with the Koolance setup I have now. But the idea of trying to solder something to a tiny pin after cutting the L12 3rd bridge seems impossible. I still laugh about how that razor looked like Godzilla through a Mickey Mouse microscope, and movement direction was somehow reversed, so I'm lucky I didn't cut off a vital part doing it.
But I have to admit this has really been a blast learning all I have since then. But I'll never be a DD Tung or Mr Icee or Sysfailur...they are like the Mr. Wizards of all this. LOL
lol, im a liar! roffleQuote:
Originally posted by Mikee
Yeah that's typical though mrbucket. Also why I wanted to see linkponders PUBLISHED 3dMark result (which I don't expect to see).
i will do it tonight then. btw, i dont get great 3dmark cause i only have a g3
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5259916
and, here is an old one from a month ago when my cpu was locked
i don't think anyone said you couldn't run your board at 185MHz fsb. i'd also like to see the 211MHz you claimed.
LOL...it was not really a mean allegation, rather more of what I think is the confusion I spoke about earlier. But here is what you actually said that we are responding to:
I won't comment on your first sentence or whether that is room temperature vs. hot air, but so far you have only given links to a PC Mark on FSB of 185, and now this most recent 3dMark on 184 FSB. Anyone can run 3dMark2001 on those FSB speeds. It is the FSB number above 204 (at any multiple) that we are looking for on the A7N8X Deluxe with any BIOS, and which I still do not expect to see.Quote:
i am all air. i have the uber1002.001 and can do a full pcmark and 3dmark with 211x12. that is as high as i tried last night. but, as you say, i have not gamed yet.
You might have been able to do it with volt modding, but then you would not be on all air if you did that. In any case the best way to always silence the critics is to show some proof to back up your claim. So far there has been none, so continuing to back up your claim with scores that show you with a 184/185 FSB makes you look...ummm....(looking for a diplomatic way to say it so you don't hear something as polariizing as "a liar"...oh I know).....makes you look "foolish."
So show us all up tonight. As I said before, I look forward to seeing your 3dMark2001 published result on air with FSB of 211!!! You will have accomplished something that noone else has, and that would be truly noteworthy.
and i understood. my whole point was that i have a g3 so i cannot get the 18k as he listed. i will add that i can only safely game in ut at around 200fsb. i get random gpfs. sometimes after 10 minutes, sometimes back to back. again, i will see what i can do tonight.
i also pose the question. is it true that what i am reading that the bios does not actually change the vdd whether you set it or not?
and i was not bragging. just more curios than anything. i am selling my older board with rubies because this one with nichs seems to be way more stable.
i will add too, that i did try 212, booted fine, but winblowz explorer locked up my system. i clicked on my e drive to run wcpuid and my system just hung. this did it twice, last thursday when i last tried above 200. anyway, this made me think my pci bus to my adaptec was causing issues. so, i am wondering if anyone has check to ensure the pci is still locked with the modded bios?
You are now changing the discussion into something about the score result which has never been talked about since your claim of running 211FSB. If you cannot game higher than 200 FSB, then how did you run a full 3dMark and PC Mark at 211? We don't care what your scores are, and you will not get as high as mine without a Radeon 9700.
We are claiming that you cannot complete the tests, let alone have them published at that high of a FSB on the A7N8X. If you even start your 3dMark test, it will freeze up probably in the first truck scene at that FSB.
And yes it is most of our opinions that the Uber Bios does not alter the Northbridge voltage. We think it is locked independently of the hidden Uber-BIOS 1002 versions, so apparently only an artificially applied volt mod can increase the voltage (additional cooling needs become obvious if you do that). I have also not yet seen anyone who attached a volt meter to see if there were any changes based sole only on the Uber Bios Northbridge chipset volt adjustment, but I certainly saw no practical performance changes using the newly enabled 1.8 vs. the default (previously hidden) 1.6v. That was why I changed back to the ASUS Bios 1002.001 version. Other problems have been reported with the ASUS 1002.003 & .004 versions.
I am able to POST (Power On Self Test) up to 227 or 228 (x7), but cannot get into Windows, so it doesn't mean anything. I forget how high I can FSB and get into Windows 2000 (I think it was 217-219), but that also doesn't mean anything. If you freeze upon opening your Winblows Explorer at 217/218 that is what we are trying to sort out as useless FSB claims vs. something useful and stable.
This FSB limitation (without volt modding) of the A7N8X is still not as bad as it might look, even when compared to the Abit or Epox NF2 boards, because look at my 3dMark & PC Mark scores (admittedly with Koolance water cooling).
So far, if I can make it through and get a published 3dMark score (& without "tearing/streaking artifact flashes") I have then been able to play BF1942 and use my PC for anything else, which is what most of us are really interested in knowing.
Edit: Your last post about the PCI/AGP bus, the PCI is still locked independant of the BIOS at 33MHz, and you can use the BIOS adjustment for AGP speeds, but most leave it on Auto (66 MHz) so as to not overwhelm their AGP Video Card when OC'ing.
ok, i get what you are saying now m8. i am clear on it now. sorry. i am working and juggling. ok, lemme see what i can get it up to, fully completed test and published. lol. i was being defensive it the fact of the scores. >: )
and, i saw no more changes in the bios either. the cut seemed to be the only improver for me.
i don't think the bios controlls the PCI speed. from what i've read, it's locked at 33MHz by the Nforce2 chipset.
and i'd like someone running this VDD modded bios to check the voltage with a DMM. don't any of you guys have a DMM, or live near Portland, OR? hell i'd come over and check it with my DMM. ;)
I have checked it with a voltmeter, the UBER bios does not change the VDD voltage... set it to 1.8V and measured, got 1.58V, same as with the stock bois'...Quote:
Originally posted by felix88
i don't think the bios controlls the PCI speed. from what i've read, it's locked at 33MHz by the Nforce2 chipset.
and i'd like someone running this VDD modded bios to check the voltage with a DMM. don't any of you guys have a DMM, or live near Portland, OR? hell i'd come over and check it with my DMM. ;)
hmm, thats what i figured.
from what i've been reading Epox has to add a trace to the PCB to allow for a VDD adjustment. hopefully the new revision comes out soon.