Effective Immediately!!

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Originally Posted by bachus_anonym

Why do you think so? I do not share that impression at all. Can you elaborate more than what you said few posts above, please?

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The reason it will kill the area is pretty simple – but unless you understand the mentality of people you may not believe it. Buyers many times are on the fence. Buy – don’t buy – buy – don’t buy. They go back and forth in their head. It is often the commentary of the fellow forum members that will push them over the edge into “buy”. Questions, comments, someone vouching for the seller ect. The opposite is true – less positive commentary or even questions answered will help people stay in the “don’t buy” category. Sellers will find it an ineffective place to sell – and over a period of time less and less will bother posting FS items here, effectively killing the marketplace.

Extremeoverclockers is a perfect example. They too found it too difficult to police the FS section, and adopted the same rules. In a few months, it was effectively a dead marketplace. Before the rule change, it was a thriving marketplace – much more activity than this forum. Bottom line its impossible to sell anything there – so why bother?

I personally would be happy to volunteer to moderate this section if you need someone to help with the workload.

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Originally Posted by boshuter

Well 60 heat refs doesn't get you much for "experience", lol. I don't see anything wrong with this new rule, it's certainly worth trying. As to what works well over at [H]..... you have to be kidding, that's one of the worst fs forums for thread crapping and trolling there is. The only thing I would do differently is to make a link to your heatware mandatory for all sellers.

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I brought up [H] Forum because they were having difficulty policing the thread crapping. (Bear in mind they have no 100 post rule) About a month ago they adopted a zero tolerance rule, banning for 3 days on the first offence. There has been a 100% change in the amount of threadcrapping. I see that as the perfect solution if this forum is taking up too much time.

Also - I didn't list my 60 heat ref to say - oooh look at my amazing heat reccord. I only used it as a point of reference to point out I have a small idea of what I'm talking about. When you add in my 30+ Ebay and the 30-40 positive transactions that never got feedback you start to see I have bigger idea what I'm talking about. Add in the real world experience - I have been in sales for over 10 years. If there were heatware for my successful transactions for happy customers it would be in the thousands. Currently I manage a retail operation with monthly revenue of over 5 million dealing with with 200+ transactions a month. So you tell me - do I get much credit for "experience"?

Bottom line is - this is going to effectively kill xtremesystems as a marketplace, just as it was gaining momentum.

You heard it here first.

MUCHO I respect your oppinons and appreciate your input ;)

We felt it was time for some changes and are going to give this a try.These changes effectively will make the For Sale section more like a traditional newspaper classified type ad. But nothing is set in concrete and IMO changes to the policy will be made as needed. After a few weeks we will have a better idea of how well this is going to work and a better idea of what may need to be fixed if anything. For now lets move on and test the new policies that have been implemented and see how things go.

People (potential buyers) are still posting in threads... are you guys going to start warning/banning people if they continue posting in threads?

Maybe I don't understand the rules... :confused:

Once the new guidelines go into effect no one will be able to post in a thread unless they start it, even if they try they wont be able to.

Site is becomming very big.... I guess it comes way harder to monitor all threads now vs when site still had 4k members... Don't only think of the members direct benefits and conflicts with these new rules, moderators should get more free time to monitor other "messy" sections :).... After all, this is a service, not a right :).

are a breath of fresh air. :clap:

:toast: to whoever came up with them.

I wasn't sure about not letting people reply publically to your for sale listing... but anything that someone asks via PM can be replied to publically if need be. Makes crapping a thing of the past and let's people sell to the best of their own ability.

Again, :up:!

Positive feedback...bachus will pee himself :)

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Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey

Positive feedback...bachus will pee himself :)

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rofl, they are good rules....ensures that no one will ripp you off :slapass:

Yea, well I'm bored now !! :D

I used to receive on average 50-70 post notifications a day in the Classified section that I had to wade through to see who was crapping on who's thread. Now I'm only getting 5-10, and guess what ? none of them are crapping on their own threads ! lol who would have thunk it ?

I think its going to work very well :toast:

if i ever get enough post to see the for sale thread im sure its alot better now. so far still

Quick, Major is bored, everyone PM him with a complaint :)

This should be good.

Seriously, it was designed to make sales easier, less wading on the multiple item threads too ! :toast:

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Originally Posted by iS.Terminator

rofl, they are good rules....ensures that no one will ripp you off :slapass:

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That's a dangerous statement to make. There's no way to ensure that no one will rip you off, short of not trading at all. But there are ways to try and minimize the risk (such as investigating a user's history through heatware), and we of course want to promote these.

major, now I need to go tell ppl to start PM'ing you with long complicated complaints with poorly written PM's in which you must take 20 minutes to decipher... muahahah

:lol: @Maxxx

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Originally Posted by Major

Yea, well I'm bored now !! :D

guess what ? none of them are crapping on their own threads !

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LOL :clap:

i cant reply to threads in forsale? man this kinda sucks really. how about just locking people out of the classifieds who thread crap instead?

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Originally Posted by rhino56

i cant reply to threads in forsale? man this kinda sucks really. how about just locking people out of the classifieds who thread crap instead?

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nope, no more in-thread replies... too much nonsense posts so we changed it. but it's looking pretty good so far and it seems transactions go through as well as they used to :)

I wish people could respond to my threads. Is there some script that can watch posted threads for a particular flag in the topic and it will allow people to post in it?

One of the reasons I like forums is because people can correct any errors I make for me. If people can't post in my for sale threads I fear one time I will inevitably post a mistake and someone might buy the item based on that and be dissatisfied.

Also, I want people to argue over my prices so I can know they are happy with the price they are paying.

yeah i wish you could post in threads....is there any way we could change that rule back if we had a poll?

Major and myself are monitoring activity in For Sale section and we are trying to observe any trends there. If we notice that new rules change the way members trade (less threads or less succesful transactions) then we will sit down with the rest of the staff and think about it.
But like I said, so far it's been about 2 weeks since new rules went live and we have not experienced any drastic changes. So, it looks like it's all good.

I think its good. Now, we wont get people just writing like "wow sweet setup" or "wow, good prices". Makes it alot easier then before.

I am definitely against the new rules. I didn't notice that thread crapping was as rampant as was made out to be. I find myself not browsing the For Sale section as much anymore since the comments always helped me put in perspective whether a product was worthwhile or not (gave me that last push one way or the other).

I think a zero tolerance policy to thread crapping would've been a better rule. Its kinda like having free will. If we have free will and make a bad choice, you punish us, but without free will we don't have the opportunity to make the right choices. Oh well... it seems I'm a lone voice. :shakes: :shrug:

On a related but side note, there have been some minor violations of rules that I've noticed but since I can't post on threads and I don't feel as comfortable about pushing the big red (Report Bad Post) button... I haven't done anything about it.

Example: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=75024

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- The payment by Paypal (Fees of 3.5%).

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Violates Rule #13

I still think my idea would work better:

"I think it would be a good idea for a seller to have admin priveleges over his/her FS thread so that they can delete any posts they feel are OT/thread crapping. I think this would help ease the work of the mods and also please the sellers. As a safety precaution you could make the posts still visible to mods so that they can undelete any posts they feel shouldn't have been deleted."

just make the rules clear, on ocf they seem to have a handle on it and it works well.
no thread crapping no posting in a thread unless you plan on buying or sending an offer.
imho i think you are killing the classifieds here, the interaction within threads is key to making a deal and having it in the public eye for safety.
if anything you have just opened the door for people to get scammed and the offense wont be known because its all in private messages.

instead of trying to put limits on everything we do give us the freedom to edit our own posts and let their be punishment for breaking the rules.

thread crap someones thread- 30 days off from the classifieds
you just need some good rules in place with a preset sentence for breaking the rule.

i dont sell at all on extremeoverclocking.com because thats how their classifieds are, as a matter of fact i cant even remember the last time i posted there.
the classifieds here are a big part of many of the regulars here i think, this will probably affect the # of visits to this forum from the # of people.

i am always bragging to people about the classifieds here and how you get great deals, 90% of the people selling and buying here dont thread crap.
if the mods cant handle 10% then its saying they arent interested enough to and dont want to be bothered with it.

let us edit our posts.
make rules that unless you have been evacuated threads must be updated within 48 hours a question is asked in them or they get deleted.

any member that doesnt comply to the rules will be banished not by a mods judgement but by what is clearly stated as the punishment for an infraction.

so i really feel that this is a big mistake and it hurts the members buying and selling.


EDIT:there i had to edit this for spelling to make it readable.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=74749

There's a good example of someone helping me when I wasn't thinking right. For some reason I added an extra zero to my math somewhere and zabomb noticed it and I was able to fix it so other people wouldn't be thrown off.