Prime95/SP2004 cheating

No sweat, Faceless Rebel. ;)

Michal - Sorry for not replying right away since I was leaving the office to go home. Anyway, are you saying that anything after 256MHz throws off the whole CPU/FSB detection? I'm not much of a 3DMark bencher so I wasn't aware of this tidbit of information. Thanks for sharing, though.

I have a solution for "Hard to Cheat On" stability testing.

Again, Wizzard, has a solution, and it can be found in his Systool Program.

I tested this program in a few different ways, and I had a hard time cheating on it, see, with it's constant updating the list as to what passed and what didn't, I couldn't create a cheat that looked legit, cause it wouldn't match the next results...
thats very very good, for spotting cheats real fast.

manual cheating, and speed cheating did nothing to this program.

so it's about 90% cheat free, as far as I can tell. :D

http://systool.techpowerup.com

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=30616&stc=1

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Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel

Well, he's making it report 4059mhz, so I'd say yes. :)



The Japanese do a lot of things with integrity. It's much more fun to play MMOGs with Japanese than Americans, for example. (If you're looking for an MMOG with lots of Japanese you can play with, Final Fantasy XI will interest you.) I remember when I played in the Bomberman Online free open beta, which was Japan only but you could download the client and a patch to make it work with English WinXP, the Japanese were all very nice and respectful. It's unfortunate that the American societal mentality is screw everyone as often as you can to get ahead, but there's nothing you or I can do about it. I can only ask politely that people do not cheat, and if they are suspected of cheating they either prove themselves or risk the banstick. I'd rather not have to look over everyone's shoulder to make sure they're not cheating... :)

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this post is a complete generalization of cultures. i myself am asian american, and have spent time in both places. i played everquest 24/7 for 3 years and found no difference in cheating between the american and japanese players on our server. the japanese players are just as big cheaters as the americans. some of the nicest people i met were japanese, some of the nicest people were american. as i've grown older, i find aside from minor difference, the human race is pretty much the same from iowa to indonesia. in any large group of people, you'll have your a$sholes and angels. the way in which their behavior is expressed might be different, they might do it behind your back or in front of your face, either way it's the same. so watch your mouth when you try to slur any country, ESPECIALLY MINE.

as to the issue at hand, i used to care about validating this and doing that so other people could see my accomplishments were clean. well, now i don't care. i overclock for myself, if someone chooses to believe i cheated, i don't really care.

This is rather Sad. There's probably no way of showing system stability beyond Super Pi 32M. I will henceforth keep my system stability to myself until the air is clear.

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Originally Posted by Kunaak

I have a solution for "Hard to Cheat On" stability testing.

Again, Wizzard, has a solution, and it can be found in his Systool Program.

I tested this program in a few different ways, and I had a hard time cheating on it, see, with it's constant updating the list as to what passed and what didn't, I couldn't create a cheat that looked legit, cause it wouldn't match the next results...
thats very very good, for spotting cheats real fast.

manual cheating, and speed cheating did nothing to this program.

so it's about 90% cheat free, as far as I can tell. :D

http://systool.techpowerup.com

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Looks good, Kunaak. But perhaps some type of verification code or online verification will be the only way to be 100% sure. Check this out:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=30635&stc=1

haha... well, cheating with photoshop is always gonna be an issue.
at the moment, all I wanted to do, was find a priming method that was atleast very difficult to cheat on.

with Prime 95, theres nothing hard to cheat on.
with SP2004, it's alittle more solid, but still extremely easy to cheat on.

with Systool, and it's constant update to the time, it's very hard to cheat.
but you are right... photoshop skills can easily change that.

Who knows? Perhaps when benchmarking makes it to the point where it is actually considered to be a sport, application developers will all start implementing verification systems. :D

I also just disovered the P95 cheat. I was gonna post it but checked here first. Won't say how, but i ended up with -24 hours and -55 minutes of prime stability lol

Hi all, this is Johnny Lee, authour of SP2004.

Yes, someone pinged me about the possible 'cheating' of SP2004 reporting the CPU/FSB speeds. While I found a possible solution on the net to calculate the CPU speed directly, which may go into the next release, as I told the emailer, any decent paint program could get around the checks. You'd probably need some screenshot app that was hooked to the net and did a secure handshake with a server to securely grab a SS w/o possible man-in-the-middle intervention.

SP2004 gets the CPU/FSB speed from Windows. See MSDN - WMI - Win32_Processor

P.S. If you want me to join the conversation, feel free to ping my email address with an obvious non-spam subject line - like coherent english, two or three words would suffice or the title of this thread would have also worked.

J

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Hi all, this is Johnny Lee, authour of SP2004.

Yes, someone pinged me about the possible 'cheating' of SP2004 reporting the CPU/FSB speeds. While I found a possible solution on the net to calculate the CPU speed directly, which may go into the next release, as I told the emailer, any decent paint program could get around the checks. You'd probably need some screenshot app that was hooked to the net and did a secure handshake with a server to securely grab a SS w/o possible man-in-the-middle intervention.

SP2004 gets the CPU/FSB speed from Windows. See MSDN - WMI - Win32_Processor

P.S. If you want me to join the conversation, feel free to ping my email address with an obvious non-spam subject line - like coherent english, two or three words would suffice or the title of this thread would have also worked.

J

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Johnny,
It's nice to read from you. Thank you for taking your time writting this nice application. I particularly find it useful for determining my 24/7 stable clockspeed. Please the real overclockers need this application badly to be cheat free. I will suggest the following improvement.

(1) Once the FSB and CPU speed is read correctly, you can also set the program to read the CPU/FSB speed every 5-10sec and report the average speed at the end of the run. The reason been that, someone may use clockgen to underclock the speed during prime95 run and then bump it up before the end of the run to show higher overclock

(2) If you can, please try and write the net SS application version for those who are serious and want to show real stability. Any other version will not be acceptable just like super pi mod 1.4

(3) A better timing method that cannot be fundled with in windows, so that time cheat can be eliminated.

(4) An online verification with some sort of checksum that anyone can verify the validity of the run.

Your attention will be appreciated. I've already ping you about all these request as well. just to make it public.
Thanks.

What is everyone's take on occt? It claims to use the same concepts of prime95 (constant answer compares). It also appears that when occt fails for me, so does prime, and when it passes, both pass - this is with all other benches working when both of these fail (s&m, super-pi32m, memtest, all the 3dmarks etc.)

The thing about occt is there is no config (fft size, custom, mix, small etc.), one size fits all for a consistent compare.

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Originally Posted by jikdoc

this post is a complete generalization of cultures. i myself am asian american, and have spent time in both places. i played everquest 24/7 for 3 years and found no difference in cheating between the american and japanese players on our server. the japanese players are just as big cheaters as the americans. some of the nicest people i met were japanese, some of the nicest people were american. as i've grown older, i find aside from minor difference, the human race is pretty much the same from iowa to indonesia. in any large group of people, you'll have your a$sholes and angels. the way in which their behavior is expressed might be different, they might do it behind your back or in front of your face, either way it's the same. so watch your mouth when you try to slur any country, ESPECIALLY MINE.

as to the issue at hand, i used to care about validating this and doing that so other people could see my accomplishments were clean. well, now i don't care. i overclock for myself, if someone chooses to believe i cheated, i don't really care.

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Same here. I stop giving to much :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: bout validation and all that ***** nonsense. Anyone can cheat as so does speak. Either you'll fall into it and respect the god damn cheater in the end is your priority. Not me and anyone else is. So let's stop doing this cheat spotting and anti cheat program and continue on the legacy from what it started in the beginning. This all a ***** waste of time imo. Everyone here knows who the masters ocing are as far as im concern. :D

Post Edited For Sensor Bypassing.

Attempting to blatently cuss in a post, while mis-spelling the words... don't do that again. Your free to have your own opinion, and voice them as such on the forums, but we do have some basic rules here for good reason. If you can't respect them, then do not post.

-Kunaak-