New OCZ BH-5 and VX , what to expect

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03-22-2005, 07:51 AM
Major

yeah, I'm tired of buying OCZ PC3200 memory and not being able to hit 270mhz, rip off artists !!!!!! LOL :D

JK ;) You guys have great stuff, I've got some VX Gold 4000 on the way

Peeps should just keep in mind that anything over the rated specs is pure gravy. You shouldn't expect anything more and you'll never be disapointed.
03-22-2005, 08:04 AM
mcnbns

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OCZ PC-3200 Gold 2-2-2

I might just be inept, but I couldn't find a product page for this at OCZ. Anyone care to link me up? I'm very interested in this RAM. Thanks! :)
03-22-2005, 08:44 AM
HiJon89

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Originally Posted by mcnbns

I might just be inept, but I couldn't find a product page for this at OCZ. Anyone care to link me up? I'm very interested in this RAM. Thanks! :)

Hasn't been released yet, there isn't even a product page yet.
03-22-2005, 08:55 AM
saaya

i hope we will see a revival of the ocz 3500 plat bh5 :D
03-22-2005, 09:06 AM
Bennah

yea thats the mem that I want to get but its rare...

guess i would just have to pick up some 3200 gold 2-2-2 instead. i loved my 3700 gold rev 1... 267 2.5-3-3-8 :D
03-22-2005, 11:20 AM
nebuchanezzar

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Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy

New Product using BH die , does 2-2-2 at 2.85 , higher speeds at higher voltages are possible but we dont screen for those , we screen for 2-2-2 at the lowest voltage

I'm curious about these but don't like how everyone (no offense guys) keeps calling them BH5. They aren't, they are using a different size die now 150nm vs 175nm?? or something and BH5 can do 2-2-2 at 2.7v very often. I'm not dissing the chips just being realistic I am very interested in seeing these in action. They do show possibilities for sure. Can you guys give us anything more specific for dates of release or S/Ns to look out for? I love how you guys(OCZ) respond to our community and want to thank you for the heads up.
03-22-2005, 11:42 AM
ryanpgroovy

Winbond actually refers to them as BH , when we purchase them from winbond the part number has the BH desigination.

I have heard mixed stories about whether they are .175 or .16 micron process and honestly dont know what to beleive.
03-22-2005, 11:44 AM
skate2snow

Ryan, finally those are really BH, or you found out that it is different but still call it like that because thats how they are known?
03-22-2005, 11:44 AM
mcnbns

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Hasn't been released yet, there isn't even a product page yet.

That might be why. :)

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I'm curious about these but don't like how everyone (no offense guys) keeps calling them BH5. They aren't, they are using a different size die now 150nm vs 175nm?

Ryan didn't call them BH-5, he just said they used the BH die. Being that he's the guy interviewed here, I'm inclined to believe what he says. ;)
03-22-2005, 11:47 AM
ryanpgroovy

Winbond actually refers to them as BH , when we purchase them from winbond the part number has the BH desigination.

Officially they are " OCZ brand chips based on winbond BH die "
03-22-2005, 11:56 AM
enzoR

on the winbond PDF sheets they are listed as 175um
03-22-2005, 12:13 PM
Zedex

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Originally Posted by enzoR

on the winbond PDF sheets they are listed as 175um

These new IC's that people are referring to as BH-5?

If so then wouldn't that mean they were in fact new production of BH-5? :confused:
03-22-2005, 12:31 PM
krille

ryad or andy, any ideas at all how these BH dies will compare to old goodie BH-5 and/or UTT? you've been awfully quiet... has there been any testing at all involving these new BH?
03-22-2005, 12:53 PM
UnreaL

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Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy

A small percentage will do 2-2-2 at 2.85-2.9 volts ( these are lucky sticks , not the norm )

Bah, my twinmos (hard to get OCZ in UK + its like 2x the price :mad: ) wont do 2-2-2 @ 3.1, let alone 2.9.... (we are talking about ddr 400 not 500 I hope :( )

Damn unlucky aint I...
03-22-2005, 01:08 PM
charlie

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I thought I read somewhere that Winbond was no longer in the DDR business and that the old BH die was owned by another chip mfg...
:shrug:
All these UTT are just untested Winbond chips that if binned in a certain way will perform as tested

And it seems MANY of these untested UTT chips do quite nicely, including my NEW MUSHKIN BLUE sticks @ $120/1G
03-22-2005, 01:33 PM
CrimeDog

nice sticks charlie, what vdimm?

200mhz 2-2-2 @ 2.85v? isn't that fairly high compared to bh5? or do they just need serious binning like the UTT?
03-22-2005, 01:35 PM
enzoR

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Originally Posted by Zedex

These new IC's that people are referring to as BH-5?

If so then wouldn't that mean they were in fact new production of BH-5? :confused:

the -5/-6/-7.5 is jsut the speed grade. in the Winbond spec sheets BH dies is listed to be manufactured useing 175um process.
03-22-2005, 01:42 PM
charlie

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Originally Posted by CrimeDog

nice sticks charlie, what vdimm?

200mhz 2-2-2 @ 2.85v? isn't that fairly high compared to bh5? or do they just need serious binning like the UTT?

3.6v.... am currently burning them in trying to get better numbers...I'd like 280 :D

C
03-22-2005, 01:43 PM
enzoR

do they respond beter >3.6v?
03-22-2005, 01:59 PM
R.Rabbit

sweet, hope these newer bh labled chips perform as good as their old siblings, think i might pick up a gig for gaming and keep my 2x256 for benching
03-22-2005, 02:09 PM
enzoR

then you might wanna wait for the yields to improve abit i think
03-22-2005, 02:24 PM
andyOCZ

I work remote, so I have not seen or tested them.

Some quotes from the first post:

"New Product using BH die , does 2-2-2 at 2.85 , higher speeds at higher voltages are possible but we dont screen for those , we screen for 2-2-2 at the lowest voltage"

"OCZ PC-3200 VX ( 2nd lowest in pricing about 200USD now and dropping )

You guys should know what to expect now , but I will state it for the record
these do on average 240 , many people after burn in get higher I have seen 250-260 ( I am sure not many do 260 ) , if your getting over 250 dont trade these in for VX-4000 , it just not a good deal if your trying to squeeze a few extra Mhz try 2-3-2"

I think this sums it up. I would not expect the 3200 Gold BH to outrun the 3200 VX. What the BH will do is tight 2-2-2 timings at lower volts. VX won't do this.
03-22-2005, 04:03 PM
chinkgai

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Originally Posted by andyOCZ

I work remote, so I have not seen or tested them.

Some quotes from the first post:

"New Product using BH die , does 2-2-2 at 2.85 , higher speeds at higher voltages are possible but we dont screen for those , we screen for 2-2-2 at the lowest voltage"

"OCZ PC-3200 VX ( 2nd lowest in pricing about 200USD now and dropping )

You guys should know what to expect now , but I will state it for the record
these do on average 240 , many people after burn in get higher I have seen 250-260 ( I am sure not many do 260 ) , if your getting over 250 dont trade these in for VX-4000 , it just not a good deal if your trying to squeeze a few extra Mhz try 2-3-2"

I think this sums it up. I would not expect the 3200 Gold BH to outrun the 3200 VX. What the BH will do is tight 2-2-2 timings at lower volts. VX won't do this.

whew :banana: my vx wasnt a waste then...i was gona be upset for a sec i didnt get the bh-5 :lol:
03-22-2005, 04:08 PM
c7775

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Originally Posted by bigtoe

We only use BP PCB pretty much and have done for well over a year now. Remember we were pretty much the first to do so and all others have followed.

so adata did vitesta 600 and you followed like ... a year later ? come on m8
OCZ aint that special , there are 10 other brands that produce pretty much the same stuff
03-22-2005, 04:11 PM
SLaY3r07

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Originally Posted by saaya

i hope we will see a revival of the ocz 3500 plat bh5 :D

That would be teh own4g3 :banana4:

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