Could Chip-Con be in trouble ??

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10-23-2002, 04:28 AM
Marci

There's no reason why ChipCon shouldn't be able to receive a capital loan from the bank, or float the company on the stock market... either would bring in enough capital to repay the funder without Chip-Con having to close.

Chip-Con are in clear breach of their agreement, the adjudicator / external consultant was obviously in on the deal... so in theory the funders could now sue on grounds of Fraud or similar, as it's apparent that the independent guy was not independant at all...

Unless Chip-Con repay the funders they'll get shutdown basically. Anyone know who the funders were? I'm guessing Brussels' EU - Millennium Project... same one that funds my Music Festivals and Recording Studio, as this all looks sooooo familiar...
10-23-2002, 04:29 AM
Marci

Plus, imagine if we could get every XtremeSystems member to buy shares.... hehe... XS become majority stock holders of Chip-Con.... now that'd be one to see!!
10-23-2002, 06:29 AM
TheDude

Are those of us who pre-ordered going to get our proms? Or is this going to screw that up? Any chance we will lose our pre-paid monies? I don't know how or if this will impact us.
10-23-2002, 06:37 AM
Bulldog20

Quote:

Originally posted by JCviggen
As far as I know there isnt any problem at all really. Asetek are playing it dirty putting CC in a bad light ..... there's nothing to worry about thats the statement.

For sure there isnt a single problem with shipments

Lo JC :D

Hmm I think it maybe will. I see no dirty tricks from Asetek.
We are talking about a chip-con not playing fair. The "independent" EU consultant was invited to asetek and saw there R&D, production etc. The same guy that is working for Chip-Con as a patents consultant. That means that the same person that Asetek shared ALL there business plans etc with, is now working for Chip-Con! FAIR?? No

They were suppose to only sell COMPLETE Computer systems to a Professional market. Are they ?? No

130K$ is alot of money and they only have half so far, as far as I know.
Also I can't see it will drag on for years. Even a DK top politician has stated, that the consultant was wrong.

We see the out come soon.

Cheers
10-23-2002, 06:39 AM
Bulldog20

Also remember US laws are very different to EU laws.
As KODAK found out in the UK not so long ago.
Hehehe I got three of the camera's :D

Cheers
10-23-2002, 06:45 AM
Galifrey

hehehe

of course Bulldog20 isnt biased being a vapochill forum moderator of course ;)
10-23-2002, 06:47 AM
N8

Why doesn't Vapochill just make a system that cools better than the Prometeia? :D
10-23-2002, 06:53 AM
Galifrey

According to them they have...

The Vapokill PE.... and its cheaper than the Prometeia...

Makes you wonder what they fear....
10-23-2002, 07:01 AM
Galifrey

Mind you, they could get out of this VERY easily....

Just start selling full systems as they agreed, and put all other items on a seperate section called "spares"...

You see the fact that people buy "spares" for a system they dont own is beyond Chip-Cons control...

That way, Chip-Con can go back to the EU and say, can we have the rest of out 65k$ please :D
10-23-2002, 07:02 AM
N8

The Prometeia is far superior to the Vapochill PE IMO. You don't need a killer PS to run the prom, and it gets lower temps don't it?

So I'm right back to my original question...why don't Vapochill just make a better system? lol

I will admit...the new Vapo does look better IMO...The Prometeia is plain ugly :D
10-23-2002, 07:07 AM
Bulldog20

Re: hehehe

Quote:

Originally posted by Galifrey
of course Bulldog20 isnt biased being a vapochill forum moderator of course ;)

Only the facts from my mouth dear buddy :D

Cheers
10-23-2002, 07:13 AM
JCviggen

Quote:

Originally posted by Galifrey
According to them they have...

The Vapokill PE.... and its cheaper than the Prometeia...

Makes you wonder what they fear....

I think the Pifast ranking illustrates which cools best pretty well really :D

http://www.thechimpcage.com/pifast/

And yes, there's a Vapochill PE in that.... somewher ... way below 5 Prometeia's ... ;)

I imagine if this would have hit chip-con right at the beginning it could have taken them down... now they have a popular product and are known for their great customer service ... I think they should find their way out of this without too much trouble
10-23-2002, 07:22 AM
JCviggen

Quote:

Originally posted by fOrMIs
Both Asetek and Chip Con prepares kølesystemer to the computer. And when the county were to doubt about, the activity made they equal produce to they equal customer, so was praying they director of studies His Harddisk from Aalborg estimate the question.

Actually displays that themselves, that His Harddisk went pay from Chip Con to Hobro amid a month after, he that aversion director of studies had registered the county that give bread to Chip Con.

His Harddisk here that director of studies by Chip Con the employment by that work out

I have been told than wherever it says "His Harddisk" it should be "Hans Harding" ... lmao... funny translation proggy.
10-23-2002, 07:41 AM
Bulldog20

Quote:

Originally posted by JCviggen
I think the Pifast ranking illustrates which cools best pretty well really :D

http://www.thechimpcage.com/pifast/

And yes, there's a Vapochill PE in that.... somewher ... way below 5 Prometeia's ... ;)

I imagine if this would have hit chip-con right at the beginning it could have taken them down... now they have a popular product and are known for their great customer service ... I think they should find their way out of this without too much trouble

Not even a hello, maybe I'm just not worthy :D
I see it like this, EU basicly funded the money to set it up, yeah?
Now the company is running and can pay them back, no hard feeling yeah?
But say you lent me 50k to start a business, you then found out I hadn't played fair on the terms I took the funding. Would you ask for the sum back? or sue?
I don't think you would be happy knowing that my company was set up on your cash and is now making me money. YOUR MONEY basicly. You'd be fine with that?

Same thing I told Galifrey

Cheers
10-23-2002, 07:43 AM
Galifrey

Quote:

Originally posted by [N8]

So I'm right back to my original question...why don't Vapochill just make a better system? lol

I will admit...the new Vapo does look better IMO...The Prometeia is plain ugly :D

1. They cant????

2. Not once its transplanted into a Lian Li 6089a :D

its not really ugly, its just a plain jane.... ie not attractive either...

The vapokill is better looking, but why so fat???

Anyway I paid for EXTREME COOLING not looks... so :banana: :banana:
10-23-2002, 07:47 AM
Galifrey

Quote:

Originally posted by Bulldog20
Not even a hello, maybe I'm just not worthy :D
I see it like this, EU basicly funded the money to set it up, yeah?
Now the company is running and can pay them back, no hard feeling yeah?
But say you lent me 50k to start a business, you then found out I hadn't played fair on the terms I took the funding. Would you ask for the sum back? or sue?
I don't think you would be happy knowing that my company was set up on your cash and is now making me money. YOUR MONEY basicly. You'd be fine with that?

Same thing I told Galifrey

Cheers

Dude, there are THOUSANDS of cases like this all over the EU...

They havent caused any problems so far, and they wont.... once the company is up and running and employing people, the EU don't give a monkeys....

Only reason we have heard about this is coz its IT related and close to our hearts....

EU's own competition laws will prohibit them from doing anything other than demand the money back.. the rest is just tough luck for Asetek...
10-23-2002, 07:49 AM
N8

Bulldog20,

Oops, I thought you were the other Bulldog that has been a member here for some time :D

Welcome to Xtreme :)
10-23-2002, 07:50 AM
Bulldog20

Quote:

Originally posted by [N8]
Bulldog20,

Oops, I thought you were the other Bulldog that has been a member here for some time :D

Welcome to Xtreme :)

Thanks :D

Galifrey, you could be right,but we'll have to wait and see.

Cheers
10-23-2002, 07:56 AM
Galifrey

Quote:

Originally posted by JCviggen
I think the Pifast ranking illustrates which cools best pretty well really :D

http://www.thechimpcage.com/pifast/

And yes, there's a Vapochill PE in that.... somewher ... way below 5 Prometeia's ... ;)

Yeah, I know that table well.... you will see my score as the only P4 prometeia below the Vapokill PE...

However....

I have a 2.26b and he has a 2.66c

I have puny 4g4a, he has the mighty IT7-MAX2....

So I am still quite pleased wid mine :D :toast:
10-23-2002, 07:58 AM
Galifrey

Quote:

Originally posted by Bulldog20
Thanks :D

Galifrey, you could be right,but we'll have to wait and see.

Cheers

Yeah but the healthy debate in the mean time is a lot of fun :D :D
10-23-2002, 07:59 AM
Bulldog20

Quote:

Originally posted by Galifrey
Yeah, I know that table well.... you will see my score as the only P4 prometeia below the Vapokill PE...

However....

I have a 2.26b and he has a 2.66c

I have puny 4g4a, he has the mighty IT7-MAX2....

So I am still quite pleased wid mine :D :toast:

Ever thought you maybe just abit better at overclocking and lucky you got a good CPU, board and Ram?
Come on you haven't used the product yet, fair to try it. You all seems to have LOADS of cash :D

Cheers
10-23-2002, 08:02 AM
Bulldog20

Quote:

Originally posted by Galifrey
Yeah but the healthy debate in the mean time is a lot of fun :D :D

hmm yeah your right, got nothing else to say just yet :(
oh well back to drinking Beer :D

Cheers
10-23-2002, 08:05 AM
Galifrey

Quote:

Originally posted by Bulldog20
Ever thought you maybe just abit better at overclocking and lucky you got a good CPU, board and Ram?
Come on you haven't used the product yet, fair to try it. You all seems to have LOADS of cash :D

Cheers

hehehe I wish I was lucky.... I have gotten thru every type of decent ram trying to find some that will work properly at 333mhz ddr on the epox mobo....

In the end it was a coupla stix of sammy original from OCUK that did the trick.... saved a fortune on the Corsair 3500 I did have before.... (RMA'd)

If I wanna go faster tho, only way is to go IT7 or Granite Bay...

SO gonna wait for GB.... might eek out a few more mhz then, but that'll prolly be on a 3.06 hyperthread chip :D
10-23-2002, 08:08 AM
Bulldog20

Quote:

Originally posted by Galifrey
hehehe I wish I was lucky.... I have gotten thru every type of decent ram trying to find some that will work properly at 333mhz ddr on the epox mobo....

In the end it was a coupla stix of sammy original from OCUK that did the trick.... saved a fortune on the Corsair 3500 I did have before.... (RMA'd)

If I wanna go faster tho, only way is to go IT7 or Granite Bay...

SO gonna wait for GB.... might eek out a few more mhz then, but that'll prolly be on a 3.06 hyperthread chip :D

AND either your CC looks like your gun running or your Loaded.
I have slowed down to try and get some money together, she notices you see ;)

Cheers
10-23-2002, 08:15 AM
Galifrey

Quote:

Originally posted by Bulldog20
AND either your CC looks like your gun running or your Loaded.
I have slowed down to try and get some money together, she notices you see ;)

Cheers

hehe I got £6k of share options maturing in 4 weeks...

kinda tallies nice with the launch of GB chipset...

imagine the scene...

"darling, as were so flush at the moment, mind if I buy a new mobo for my pc, oh and may as well get a new CPU as well and then I can sell this one ;)"

hehehehhehehe

my 2.26b should sell pretty easily I think :D

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