Official S754 vs. S939 A64 Thread

Storm main thing about you is YOu think you are right 100% of the time. YOu make outlandish untruth statements and have NO proof to back them up.

I never said either one dominates the other and showed proof. Hell Storm you make some ass statement about me and the easter bunny then go and change your statement due to you looking bad for acting like a child throwing a tantrum. I want to show the truth. 1. the 939 NC is a good platform 2. the 754 for now is a great chip 3. both are so evenly matched picking one or the other is a good choice.

You have nothing but proved you can be a great OCer but for some reason can't follow logic or proof or FACTS without your pride or ego or something getting in the way and causing you to type irrational thoughts during this discussion and attacking my opinions based on unbias reviews and reading results from other forums.

Well hope you get better or atleast listen to reason but if thats not possible good luck with your business and hope that website gets done ;)
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back to the topic how is the head to head benching coming along??

pikard, this thread is not about what cpus you should buy for upgrade capabilities etc, this is only about wich is faster.


interesting to see thats there is such a small difference between the 939 and 754 chips!

please stop fighting guys and post some results :)

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Originally posted by saaya
pikard, this thread is not about what cpus you should buy for upgrade capabilities etc, this is only about wich is faster.

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about the first half of my post was about that, then i sorta trailed off topic. :stick: that part was some for stormpc, to realize why he might be wrong about telling everyone to go s754 as opposed to s939.

if i didnt mention it in my other post (not sure if i did), i voted they were about equal, as that is one of the options, and that was what i was point out when i went on about aside from benchmarks (which give you a definate number) you cant really say, "socket xxx is loads faster then socket xxx because of (a. extra cache / b. dual channel ram).

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Originally posted by trans am
I would be willing to do the test. I fit the criteria for the 3200 claw testbed.

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Great, I'm assuming you'll be using your 9800Pro ?

Now we just need someone with a: S939 NC 512K with a 9800 Pro or XT :)

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Originally posted by iboomalot
Storm main thing about you is YOu think you are right 100% of the time. YOu make outlandish untruth statements and have NO proof to back them up.

I never said either one dominates the other and showed proof. Hell Storm you make some ass statement about me and the easter bunny then go and change your statement due to you looking bad for acting like a child throwing a tantrum. I want to show the truth. 1. the 939 NC is a good platform 2. the 754 for now is a great chip 3. both are so evenly matched picking one or the other is a good choice.

You have nothing but proved you can be a great OCer but for some reason can't follow logic or proof or FACTS without your pride or ego or something getting in the way and causing you to type irrational thoughts during this discussion and attacking my opinions based on unbias reviews and reading results from other forums.

Well hope you get better or atleast listen to reason but if thats not possible good luck with your business and hope that website gets done ;)
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back to the topic how is the head to head benching coming along??

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You have a problem with me because I think I'm right? What kind of monkey takes a position and defends it if he thinks he's wrong? Is that better? Is that what you are doing?

I don't say things unless I believe they're right. Apparently you have a different way of doing things.

So what you are saying is, you don't believe you're right? And if you do believe you are right how is it that you can critisize me for believing I am right?:rolleyes: Not exactly the most logical nut in the bag, are you!

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Originally posted by LilGator
Great, I'm assuming you'll be using your 9800Pro ?

Now we just need someone with a: S939 NC 512K with a 9800 Pro or XT :)

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I could probably make this happen. I am going to sell my FX and get a 3500+. Before Storm PC has a stroke, reason is b/c my FX can't clear 2860mhz stable and I want to save $$$ and wait for better FX 55 etc... so I can get over 3ghz. I know it won't be that much faster, but for the $$$$ I spent, I have to hit a personal goal :p.

what I may do is take my Asus, mod it, put it in vapo with 3800+ @2940 and hope to hit 3ghz then. Run it 1:1 at whatever it maxes. Take abit and the 3500+ and use it as a mule till a better board comes out. I'd really like to try the 3600+ if it sees light of day

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Originally posted by JNav89GT
I could probably make this happen. I am going to sell my FX and get a 3500+. Before Storm PC has a stroke, reason is b/c my FX can't clear 2860mhz stable and I want to save $$$ and wait for better FX 55 etc... so I can get over 3ghz. I know it won't be that much faster, but for the $$$$ I spent, I have to hit a personal goal :p.

what I may do is take my Asus, mod it, put it in vapo with 3800+ @2940 and hope to hit 3ghz then. Run it 1:1 at whatever it maxes. Take abit and the 3500+ and use it as a mule till a better board comes out. I'd really like to try the 3600+ if it sees light of day

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Why would I care if you bought a 3500+? You know which is faster because you've had both. I'm not against people buying slow CPUs, I'm against people buying slow ones (from me) and then complaining to me that their new expensive slow computer can't score as high as their buddie's overclocked ClawHammer that cost half the money. I never tell people what their priorities are, that's for every person to determine for themselves. I just tell it like it is so I don't get a bad reputation with my customers.

I wonder about your logic though. If your only goals are to hit 3GHz stable and you don't want to have much money tied up in your machine why not just get a P4 2.6C and overclock it? It'll hit 3GHz no problem. It will be slow in games and 3D, but then so is a 3500+ compared to your FX. Sounds like that doesn't bother you though. So why waste money on an A64 if a slow P4 will do the job just as well? :ROTF:

stormPC, im sure you know just as well as i do, he means 3ghz on an a64 system...

no response to my post?

that the 939 asus in your avatar?

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Originally posted by pik-ard v1.1
stormPC, im sure you know just as well as i do, he means 3ghz on an a64 system...

no response to my post?

that the 939 asus in your avatar?

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Look man, you haven't upgraded since 1988. Exactly what is it that you think you can teach me about this new hardware that I have been running and you have not, and what is it you think is worthy of a response?:confused:

Storm I really fail to see your logic in continually bashing 3500+/3800+/Newcastle cores. OK! They may not be quite as fast as 1mb cores. I don't dispute that, but to call them slow is obtuse. I think you become rather narrrow minded and have basically tried to skirt the arguments you get into with people regarding these cpus. I think you would garner alot more consideration for your arguments if you didn't come off like such an arrogant person. I know what is faster, I also know that for $500 to me, the FX isn't worth it right now. I want 3ghz on A64 setup. For no logical reason other than a personal goal. Will 3ghz newcastle 3800+ be faster than a FX at 2.85ghz. Not in probably majority of apps. However, what I think you fail to appreciate, is that not everybody bases their cpu buying decisions on futuremark and their benches. There are applications that will run better with that theoretical 3ghz 3800+ than a 2.85ghz FX, superPi possibly I dunno. But my point is, that not everybody shares your passion for 3dmark and therefore will not use if for their exclusive cpu decision making process.

To me the dual channel newcastle does make a bit of the deficiency in the less cache. I have built pc's with newcastle 754's and they are noticably slower. I run 1gb of ram in my machines so oc'ing with 2x512mb seems better on the Asus A8V vs a 754 platform.

Good luck with your 3ghz NC JNav! :thumbsup:
Please update us in the future, i'd really like to know who if it's faster than a FX at that speed.

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Originally posted by StormPC
Look man, you haven't upgraded since 1988. Exactly what is it that you think you can teach me about this new hardware that I have been running and you have not, and what is it you think is worthy of a response?:confused:

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from that response, its quite obvious you didnt even read my post... and proceded directly to attempting to put me down and use obsense exageration (and somehow win the argument that way????) ;)

theres more to it then just spending a load of money on what is the fastest right now. maybe you dont understand that some of us cant afford to make the types of upgrades you do, as often as you do. therein lies your fault, not knowledge of the hardware.

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Originally posted by JNav89GT
Storm I really fail to see your logic in continually bashing 3500+/3800+/Newcastle cores. OK! They may not be quite as fast as 1mb cores. I don't dispute that, but to call them slow is obtuse. I think you become rather narrrow minded and have basically tried to skirt the arguments you get into with people regarding these cpus. I think you would garner alot more consideration for your arguments if you didn't come off like such an arrogant person. I know what is faster, I also know that for $500 to me, the FX isn't worth it right now. I want 3ghz on A64 setup. For no logical reason other than a personal goal. Will 3ghz newcastle 3800+ be faster than a FX at 2.85ghz. Not in probably majority of apps. However, what I think you fail to appreciate, is that not everybody bases their cpu buying decisions on futuremark and their benches. There are applications that will run better with that theoretical 3ghz 3800+ than a 2.85ghz FX, superPi possibly I dunno. But my point is, that not everybody shares your passion for 3dmark and therefore will not use if for their exclusive cpu decision making process.

To me the dual channel newcastle does make a bit of the deficiency in the less cache. I have built pc's with newcastle 754's and they are noticably slower. I run 1gb of ram in my machines so oc'ing with 2x512mb seems better on the Asus A8V vs a 754 platform.

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you are totally right , s939 Nc at 3ghz will perform better than fx53 939 at 2840 with superpi. Moreover he perform better than fx53 940 at same frequency.
I've a friend , boogotop , he's testing his new 3500+ , you'll be happy to know what frequency he can hit when 3Dmark benching.
By the way , i tried to run with 4X256 adata Ch5 pc 3200 , and i could have 215 1:1 stable 222/5 1T with 3,3v , i did'not try less.
It's not wonderfull but s939 can work with dimms fulls.

The problem is not the frequencies they hit. If high frequencies are your thing you should be on a P4, because even the biggest POS P4 can kill any AMD CPU when it comes to high frequencies. We're talking horsepower here. Isn't that why we use AMD in the first place? The Newcastle loses too much processing power (you know, the reason you pay big bucks for a powerful CPU?) from having only half the cache.

How can you call me a S939 basher when I use them? All I said (and will always say until AMD wises up and lowers prices on the S939 stuff) is that S939 stuff is overpriced and immature. Is this not true of all new hardware? And Newcastles (S754 and S939) are clock for clock weaker than ClawHammers in 3D. How is that bashing?

You guys are wacky!:wierd:

pik-ard v1.1

Why do you (among others) always seem to NOT get it? You try to act as if I hold a position that I do not hold at all. Please read my posts more carefully if you are going to comment on them.

It is BECAUSE most people have limited funds that they need to get a system that gives them the most performance for their money. With this in mind only a criminal would recommend a S939 system as a value. IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

You knock yourself out there junior. I can't wait to see you attack all the other positions that I don't hold!:devil:

Strorm pc , i was talking about superpi 1M , 3500+ is able to hit 28 sec with 2900 mhz , you can't do that with your 3700+.
3Dmark2K1 is a thing , superpi is another , there is a lot of bench where CH 754 are :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:ed by 939 NC . PIFAST , LIGHTWORK , PCMARK , FPU MARK etc ...........
And 3Dmark2K1 is not so representative of the today's games. If you play C.S ok :D

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Originally posted by misteroadster

And 3Dmark2K1 is not so representative of the today's games. If you play C.S ok :D

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Oh, and the benches you quoted are? Please gimme a break dude.:lol:

This whole web site would not exist if it was not for 3DMark!;)

the benches i quoted are representative of others utilisations than Gaming. You can do a lot of things with Pc not only games and OC.
the most representative are the today's games benchs themselves and 2K3.
yes of course , 3Dmark2K1 is very funny.
But 3DM2K3 is nearest of the truth now apparently.
For exemple I could observe than D3 is more cpu independant than 2K3. Far cry a little less.
I don't know for the L2 cache i couldn't do the test.
I 'm waiting you for this :)

What test?

Storm, it's now about total mhz frequency. I would think you of all people could look past that. It's about hitting 3ghz with A64 as I stated. I've had p4's up above 4ghz. Don't tell me a 3800+ at 3ghz wouldn't pwn a 4.5ghz P4. OK, maybe you'll find a intel bench that it wouldn't. My point is, the NC core isn't that much slower. It might be a couple % but it's not huge IMO. I'll grant you bang for $$$ it's not absolute best deal, but for MY needs, I feel it's my best option. My main niggle with 939 isn't poor nc performance, it's the mainboards out now. OF all I tried only my 2nd Asus is any good. I don't think someone should have to buy 4 boards just to get a good one :p.

Lets recap: For 3dmark only 1mb of L2 will score good :p

For real world use the NC is just fine in 939 format.

D3 , you get it if i remember ?

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Originally posted by JNav89GT

For real world use the NC is just fine in 939 format.

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That's exactly how my friend feels about his Celeron. Both of you are happy with your systems and that's fine. The difference between my friend and you is he does not try to say the Celeron is as fast as the ClawHammers, even though his Celeron kicks the crap out of any S754 CPU in Sandra Memory Bandwidth tests. I'm done with this topic. Please do not expect me to respond to any more absured notions regarding Newcastle cores because I no longer have an opinion on that unless you are buying a system from me.;)

you're very bad to compare NC939 and celeron i think P4c/EE would be better , after that , you say you're an AMD fan.
You make me cry man.
Aren't you Pro-INTEL in fact ?

I've been accused of a lot of things, but never of being "pro-Intel".:lol:

there is always a first.

how would he be pro-intel? last what... 4-5 setups he's had are a64's. if he was pro-intel, wouldnt he be showing them off instead?

stormPC, you aware that 3000+ and 3200+ level s939 cpu's are coming out? that seems to be fairly "value oriented" to me, with a broad upgrade path.