then how is schroet's 3400 relevant to this thread either...
just comparing different results and u had to take it personally..
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then how is schroet's 3400 relevant to this thread either...
just comparing different results and u had to take it personally..
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Originally posted by Ragnarok
then how is schroet's 3400 relevant to this thread either...
just comparing different results and u had to take it personally..
Well Schr0et's at least has some comparative value rather than a windows screenie to show off an OC... You even admit thats all it is, to show off yer proc:rolleyes:
its not the cache, the cache is like 1 sec difference max. i got 36s superpi with my 3000+ CG @ 2400 running @ 240 FSB 2-2-2-5/6
the 3200+ is 2 sec faster in superpi than the 3000+ thanks to the bigger cache.
in case you pick up a 1mb chip please make some benches of this chip first and do the same benches with the 1mb chiip and post the results, would be really interesting to see them compared directly (not on some major hardwaresite ;))
newcastle cpus are mostly diferent cpu dies, some might be hammers with disabled cache , but most of them are diferent dies:
IMO these "new" NC's are more like something aimed at the mainstream OEMs than overclockers.
I guess what I'm trying to point out is that AMD may be trying to pull a Prescott.
I think I'm pretty much on par when I say just about Any A64 3200+ w/ 1MB L2 is guaranteed to do 2.3 Ghz on stock air, and will do 2.4+ with a little improvement in cooling.
In the coming days I hope to be doing the VDimm mod, so I can hopefully run some comparative benchmarks against the 3200+ 512K.
I invite anyone that thinks they're interested in comparing these two processor types, to do the same :toast:
Cheers mate, Karnivore thanks for taking the time to test this chip mate :up:
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what I like to see are 3dmark scores and benchmarks by some games comparing the differences with 512k and 1mb cache. also wow the 90nm die is so small! its not even in exisance so is that an estimate to its size
AMD is being smart. They're using A64s that don't have the full 1MB cache working and re-label them 512K cache Newcastles. I think you heard promises of increased performance from Socket 939 Newcastles that take advantage of dual-channel.Quote:
Originally posted by `schr0et
IMO these "new" NC's are more like something aimed at the mainstream OEMs than overclockers.
I guess what I'm trying to point out is that AMD may be trying to pull a Prescott.
I think I'm pretty much on par when I say just about Any A64 3200+ w/ 1MB L2 is guaranteed to do 2.3 Ghz on stock air, and will do 2.4+ with a little improvement in cooling.
In the coming days I hope to be doing the VDimm mod, so I can hopefully run some comparative benchmarks against the 3200+ 512K.
I invite anyone that thinks they're interested in comparing these two processor types, to do the same :toast:
Cheers mate, Karnivore thanks for taking the time to test this chip mate :up:
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Saaya, I'll do that, I'm going to call the other local fry's and hope they have the 1mb in stock yet..Quote:
Originally posted by saaya
in case you pick up a 1mb chip please make some benches of this chip first and do the same benches with the 1mb chiip and post the results, would be really interesting to see them compared directly (not on some major hardwaresite ;))
newcastle cpus are mostly diferent cpu dies, some might be hammers with disabled cache , but most of them are diferent dies:
Thanks alot Ragnarok, you've made such a wonderfull contribution to this thread
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Grow up. That comment was uncalled for.Quote:
Thanks alot Ragnarok, you've made such a wonderfull contribution to this thread
Maybe he didnt make a contribution to this thread. Maybe he was trying to show off his NICE overclock------ Who the hell cares.
BTW: Ragnarok, nice overclock
Oh sorry, I didnt contribute anything to this thread either.:D :D :D
maybe they're recycling the AMD64 3000+ Newcastles for 3200+ 1/2 cache rating ?Quote:
Originally posted by HKPolice
Newcastles are CG revision, and have 512K L2 instead of 1MB, so AMD bumps up the clock by 200Mhz. So the older clawhammer CO revision 3200+ is 1MB L2. 2Ghz, the CG 3200+ is 512K L2, 2.2Ghz
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/boards/Shu...5_2hr49min.jpg
More than likely yeah, the prices for the current A64s are no different than the P4 prices.Quote:
Originally posted by eva2000
maybe they're recycling the AMD64 3000+ Newcastles for 3200+ 1/2 cache rating ?
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/boards/Shu...5_2hr49min.jpg
In the past AMD had the Price/Performance crown, now its just the performance crown.
So why should anyone buy an AMD 64 processor when its price is no different from that of a Pentium 4?
Guess if the prices are lowered since it has half the cache, it will attract new users.
Won't attract me tho!
Tritium its not wise to jump on this thread just to crap it. I noticed his comments, and while his comments were valid that I made a similiar post I had no interest on making matters worst.
In fact I'll remove the picture all together from that post so the thread goes back on topic.
Lets focus on the task at hand instead of turning this once informative thread into rubble.
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Originally posted by tritium
Grow up. That comment was uncalled for.
Maybe he didnt make a contribution to this thread. Maybe he was trying to show off his NICE overclock------ Who the hell cares.
BTW: Ragnarok, nice overclock
Oh sorry, I didnt contribute anything to this thread either.:D :D :D
LOL, another fine thread crap, don't like my comment STF out of MY thread....
Well looks like I'll be able to do some head to head on this, The other local FRY's has 2 3200+ non-castrated variety..
Any requests or thoughts on what to run as far as benchies go, I'll be running out there tomorrow.
And as a bonus they still have 10 sticks of KHX3000 in stock @ 55 a stick:)
Karn,
lets compare some SuperPi 1M/8M and Pifast.
I would say run some 3Dmark benches but too many people have different cards, so its hard to replicate.
Cheers mate, hope you get a nice chippy :D
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Karn you got a 4.4ghz P4 dont ya? does it f33l faster? :D
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Originally posted by `schr0et
Karn,
lets compare some SuperPi 1M/8M and Pifast.
I would say run some 3Dmark benches but too many people have different cards, so its hard to replicate.
Cheers mate, hope you get a nice chippy :D
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Sounds good, I'll do some 3D as well, I'll just try to do it with as little change as possible other then the Proc...
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Originally posted by Peen
Karn you got a 4.4ghz P4 dont ya? does it f33l faster?
Yeah, my 3.0 does 4.5 stable, and kicks the snot out of THIS A64 @ 2.5, going to try and get this under the prom tonight and see where it goes..
That includes Desktop, menues, browsers, games, etc...
its not doing to bad though, right now its within 1500 3D01 of my P4 @4.4
Your local Fry's has possible BH-5?Quote:
Originally posted by Karnivore
And as a bonus they still have 10 sticks of KHX3000 in stock @ 55 a stick:)
NOOOOO! Stupid local Fry's here only has over-priced Mushkin Special 2-2-2- and some CH-5.
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Originally posted by DaveX
Your local Fry's has possible BH-5?
NOOOOO! Stupid local Fry's here only has over-priced Mushkin Special 2-2-2- and some CH-5.
Yep, was a bit surprised myself, they also showed 4 sticks of Corsair 3500, 2x512, and 2x256, but when he checked they were sold today:stick: $60 a stick for PC3500x256, someone got a bargain:mad:
I'll know tomorrow when i trade in this 3200+, but 55 a stick is pretty decent..
:slapass:Quote:
Originally posted by Karnivore
$60 a stick for PC3500x256, someone got a bargain:mad:
Gawd, I have such bad luck.
isnt mushkin special 2-2-2 still good stuff? would it even be worth to get some, what fsb can I expect at 3.25v?
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Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
isnt mushkin special 2-2-2 still good stuff? would it even be worth to get some, what fsb can I expect at 3.25v?
mushkin 222 is decent stuff, but your not going to get it for 55 a stick, if you want to know how winbond stuff Clocks, just visit one of the countless threads specifically dedicated to it..
I can see a good reason in that...Quote:
Originally posted by `schr0et
In the past AMD had the Price/Performance crown, now its just the performance crown.
So why should anyone buy an AMD 64 processor when its price is no different from that of a Pentium 4?
Why am I not suprised :DQuote:
Won't attract me tho!
from newegg you can get a A64 3200 1mb for like 270?
and 3.0C retail for 220..
if you overclock both to the max same cooling i think 3.0C is faster anyways..
on air the newer 3.0c's seem to do atleast 3.6ghz to 3.9ghz top maybe more
think the max ive seen a A64 3200 on air is what 2500mhz?
so compare 3.9ghz to 2.5ghz a64 wouldnt the p4 be faster for a little less?
off topic i know but want a A64, maybe
Here is what i tested with the 3400+ CG, default 2400 Mhz :
Look at the FSB on a KT800 Mobo without AGP lock ;)