But i didnt think BD was in competition with X79. X79 is X58 replacement right?Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
BD for desktop is more midrange oriented is it not?
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But i didnt think BD was in competition with X79. X79 is X58 replacement right?Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
BD for desktop is more midrange oriented is it not?
"Expects" <> "Definitely"Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
JF also has a sig explaining that everything he says is his own view.
AMD say BD has no problems and its a simple strategic shift.
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showp...postcount=1484
Bulldozer has no problems???Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbo75
That my friend is classic marketing Ox Manure
If BD had no problems it would be inside my computer as we speak.
A delay from original planned launch cannot happen for any reason other than problems. They have ZERO to gain by dealying Bulldozer, unless of course the Phenom II were so good that they even competed with Sand Bridge on similar levels.
But is that the case?:rolleyes:
Another stepping could add a little more performance, that's all it might take. Llano is selling out faster than it leaves the oven anyway so there would be a choice to make on supply.
The simple fact is, we've now heard every single possible story that can be told about Bulldozer, and nothing can be believed.
if llano is doing great, and if waiting a few more months lets them earn 20$ more per BD chip due to higher clocks/bins, then it might be very logical to hold it back and release it properly.
BD on the client side is probably still very enthusiast level when looking at revenue. a high clocked quad core llano with a 200$ gpu can still be considered good enough for the needs of 90% of the "gamers". so the needs for BD are so much more server side that lost revenue for delays may not be very large.
Manicdan, so what you are saying is that AMD cannot at this time manufacture both Bulldozer and Llano in large enough numbers to launch both at the same time?
But I do not see where this is coming from, there has been neither any comments from AMD regarding manufacturing holdbacks nor from any reliable source. The only thing we hear is that BD has issues clocking up and meeting speed requirements to play with Intel.
If AMD couldn't produce Bulldozer and Llano at the same time this quarter then they should have planned BD for Winter to begin with. I do not see how they would risk getting their brand new product overshadowed completely just 2 months later by Intel because they prefer to manufacture Llano now and BD later when capacity is available.
It would be nice if AMD gave us some performance numbers. After seeing socket 2011 and hearing all the noise about low performance on BD, I'm tempted to jump ship on AMD. Knowing where to peg BD would make me a little more willing to grab a 990FX board and wait.
Likelier version of the events:
Llano was supposed to ship and ramp way earlier (something that kinda was true; Ontario ramped earlier)- and did not; BD gets pushed too.
This would totally go against any performance based rumors though, but those could just be mobo makers using crippled samples (hint)
If the silicon was ready and competitive you could bet your bottom they would having be showing and launching.
i doubt BD will affect the price of 2011 based cpus unless BD was 50% stronger than most of our guesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darakian
This, end of, I feel like I have been waiting for bd for years....Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
By just about every account I've read Llano is competitive yet AMD isn't breaking out the benchmarks on it either, and it's launching in 2 weeks.
Charlie is supposed to be writing a piece on BD so we'll know soon enough hopefully.
Charlie? No offense but I'd rather get poontangs to write about BD than Charlie.
Well if you consider that none of the rest of the press can come up with a believable story amongst themselves (they cant even decide on which stepping BD is at), I don't see how Charlie can get it much worse frankly.
Not necessarily. If Llano is selling very well, and manufacturing is peaked getting that out, there may be no need in rushing BD out.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
The majority of people who will buy BD are waiting on 2011 anyways.
When the vast majority of people will be buying the Llano product, it makes business sense to get as much payoff from that as possible.
Oh well, I'm just gonna go with SB anyways. Been waiting for a real AMD revision for years now and I'm sick of the bottlenecks from Deneb in my setup.
They will anounce officially Bulldozer in September ( assuming no new delays )... that means November in stores, December for the rest of the world...
December ... I won't buy it then because the prices are inflated due to Santas and the new year... so I'll wait to the February's savings/reductions offers... but, by then, Ivy Bridge is supposed to appear in 22nm using 3D gates...
Can I quote you on that?Quote:
Originally Posted by jogshy
Hell, Charlie is probably the most reliable person i've stumbled upon on the interwebs.
His estimates might sometimes be very wishfull and doubtfull, but his insider info articles are probably the best reads i have in this hardware community. He have been right about many things, and his gossip on stuff like woodenscrew, i had a nice laugh. Remember the joke he made about 6970, where he posted a joke article about the card having a second swicth unlocking 1920 SP's, where he posted pictures of the cards having a regular lamp switch taped on with gaffa? He obviously just wanted to kill the 1920 sp rumor, in a funny way.
I might sound like a biased Charlie fan, but i just want to give a share of my thougts and i'm pretty damn drunk.
Really I fail to see how people are trying to rationalize this as "good" or "ok" buy saying Lano production is takings all the fab time from BD. have a fast and competitive CPU in a higher performance bracket does wonders for marketing and sales in the lower performance brackets. if that was the case you would see AMD launch BD in limited numbers while pumping out Lano chips. it was also AMD's plan to launch in Q2. Not to mention once X79 is out things will look even worse at launch for them...
the time to launch for them is NOW if the product is remotely competitive to SB. considering boards are out.
when was the last time you can remember a new round of boards made specifically for a line of CPU's launching way before the CPU???
I really hope this new rev. can do some wonders for them.
edit:
the reason I likened this to the Phenom launch is:
-EXTREME COMMUNITY HYPE (people thinking it will utterly destroy Intel and going on for pages and pages about it)
-MOAR HYPE
-RELEASE DATE SET
-MOAR HYPE
-DELAY
lets just hope it does not end like the Phenom launch: a terrible CPU fought with issues.
Not from what i know, its supposed to compete against sandy bridge LGA 1155, AMD is behind for many reasons, funds, resources, engineers, they are behind Intel because of the pure fact they don't have the resources Intel has ATM, partially because they are in so much debt. Yea they are doing much better now, but a year ago they weren't. Its not like they are going to make magic happen, and bring in a total Intel destroyer in overnight.Quote:
Originally Posted by kirbster1966
You shouldn't, he also said this:Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by jogshy
You say you hope BD will be good, will compete etc, but all I'm getting from your post is really the opposite. I doubt you'll be buying an AMD system even if it's good, and you never miss the chance to insert FUD into your posts when talking about AMD.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
It does look like I'll be waiting for Ivy Bridge, thuban was good to me but I'm not looking for a sidegrade.
haha no. there is plenty of fact. bulldozer was delayed, that's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbo75
that is not the timeline amd is talking about. when they say PIB ready in 90 days, they mean in 90 days the boxes will be in the trucks on the way to retailers.Quote:
Originally Posted by jogshy
I was really hoping to do an AM3+ build, but went 1155 and I guess I made the right call. September? WOW.... Seems like a self fulfilling prophecy....
I honestly hope AMD pulls an ace out of their sleeve and really brings an awesome product, I really do.