I can prove that Bulldozer will work in AM3 sockets

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03-22-2011, 10:52 AM
FlanK3r

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Originally Posted by eXa

I know that you were talking about BD, my question is still valid ;)

Edit: Not doubting that your ram is stable, but you should use prime95, not linpack for testing ram/imc on AMD :)

ok, I can next week try PRIME 95 with 2000 MHz RAM. I tested only with my gold 1090T PRIME...hehe, great chip 1.3V and 3950 MHz stable at aircooling:up:
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/5...3954mhz277.png
03-22-2011, 11:49 AM
XRL8

I dont think BeepBeep that all back pins soldered prove that it will work with the mainboard in question.They still could not connect all of them internally.
But i think asus press release is solid evidence in itself that it could be done and Am3+ isnt needed at least for initial batch of BD`s.
Future "AM3+" cpus could only really mean BD, as even if AMD will introduce some ageing PHII`s after AM3+ launch ,theyre still going to be marketed as AM3.
As for peeps wondering about 7xx series chipset compatibility.Asus announced new am3+ compatible boards based on 7 series already :P.
What is weird tho, is the different keying, its an easy way to force users to new socket.BUT, asus`s compatibility claim, pretty much says they will be pin compatible, so, why the keying change.
I hope there will be some brave souls to try bios editing and maybe some socket drilling ;-D
03-22-2011, 11:58 AM
Shadowized

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Originally Posted by Barr3l Rid3r

where?

mine is doing very fine... I wouldn't change if not needed.

I said SOME boards, m4a79t with its inability to run 8gb (4x2gb) at 1600mhz in the first two mem slots without erroring out, not to mention for 3 months CnQ was stuck on and having to resort to all sorts of nonsense to make it work properly. now I'm not saying most of it wasn't fixed, but waiting the amount of time for asus to fix their bios was a PITA and don't forget the amount of dead MSI boards from thuban due to their buggy PWM. all in all there are always unforeseen issues one will run into however if it works that's fantastic but I'm just saying its more logical to not get your hopes up.
03-22-2011, 10:28 PM
64NOMIS

Stay tuned.
03-22-2011, 10:37 PM
Daveburt714

Hey Stranger....

Welcome back! :welcome:
Hope all is well with you and your family!

Not sure if you can tell us or not...
It looks like BD will work on the 890FX chipsets, but will 990FX offer anything new?

Lemme guess, thats probably where the "Stay Tuned" thing comes in.... :rofl:
03-23-2011, 02:46 AM
FlanK3r

hehe, here is it too :-D...Uff, about 2.5 months waiting, horrible :). But back to the mobo, still want see next 990 AM3+ boards. I seen only one :(
03-23-2011, 05:08 AM
charged3800z24

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Originally Posted by 64NOMIS

Stay tuned.

Oh, I'm tuned in alright...:D
Looking forward...
03-23-2011, 03:07 PM
crazydiamond

my guess is they will work on am3 but maybe not have all the functionality that am3+ would offer ie. powergating/turbo/etc..

and im officially tuned in :D
03-27-2011, 07:21 AM
Aquineas

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Originally Posted by Particle

Let's be realistic. Most of the boards "we" buy are typically priced $150 to $200. There is no need to exaggerate here. I'll also never buy the whole argument about needing to keep a motherboard for cost reasons when we aren't regular consumers. We pay extra for top-end power supplies, RAM, chips, often even considering upgrading to just a later speed bumped model less than a year after we get one. Quibbling over a motherboard because of cost when we clearly aren't engaged in a cheap hobby and readily spend money on the seemingly more exciting parts is so artificial. The truth of the matter is that motherboards aren't very exciting compared to processors and are a pain in the butt to change. Thus, the prospect of buying new ones is often not very exciting. It made sense back in the day when a motherboard cost more than the CPU you were going to plug into it, but when that changed the sentiment of which was more painful to pay for should have as well. It never did.

:up:

I completely agree. To say nothing of the fact that from my perspective, having an unused CPU sitting around in a box irks me a little, even if it's an older one. I'd rather have an old but functioning PC (complete with the MB that went with them) than a boxed CPU. At least with the older PC, there's always something I can do with it, whether that means turn it into a file-server, make it a bastion, or give it away to someone.

Whether I buy a BD or SB system for my next box, I want the latest generation chipset to go along with it.
03-27-2011, 08:38 AM
zoomee

Lets throw something else into the equation:

BD is HT3.1 - The Asus boards are HT3.0

Wonder if this will bottleneck it? But saying that if AM3+ boards are running on HT3.0 (890 chipset) I don't think it will be....
03-27-2011, 08:43 AM
BeepBeep2

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoomee

Lets throw something else into the equation:

BD is HT3.1 - The Asus boards are HT3.0

Wonder if this will bottleneck it? But saying that if AM3+ boards are running on HT3.0 (890 chipset) I don't think it will be....

These boards can overclock to 2800-3000 HT Link easily, if the only difference is the speed between both then no. :up:
03-27-2011, 10:30 AM
FlanK3r

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Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

These boards can overclock to 2800-3000 HT Link easily, if the only difference is the speed between both then no. :up:

yers, there will be not problem, but Im thinking, someone diferent will be problem :)
03-31-2011, 09:54 PM
VulgarHandle

If Bulldozer works on AM3, wouldn't that mean it should work on AM2+?

Does Bulldozer have a DDR2 controller?
03-31-2011, 09:59 PM
NEOAethyr

It might I don't know.
Howevers most ddr2 boards were using award bios's.
Those for sure won't get an update.

The boards that have ami's, the ones that eventually got 1090t support "might" get support for these.
We'll have to wait and see.

I suspect that the ddr3 and ddr2 controllers are one and the same, just setup slightly differently from the bios it's self.

I would not hold your breath though...
03-31-2011, 11:30 PM
FlanK3r

Quote:

Originally Posted by VulgarHandle

If Bulldozer works on AM3, wouldn't that mean it should work on AM2+?

Does Bulldozer have a DDR2 controller?

today could Bulldozer has DDR2 con troler (its 1.4. :D). But normally not. Sorry, but ddr2 are today for new platforms totally sh*ts. And cant work at AM3 boards normally, because if ASUS has their own way, still Zambezi is only AM3+ CPU!
04-01-2011, 03:06 AM
XRL8

As for the DDR2/3 controller, yes its one thing that has two lets say "modes" however i doubt it will be possible to use BD on AM2+ mainboard,BD was designed from ground up with ddr3 only in mind.SO without some serious engineering its really doubtfulI would be up in arms tho :P
04-01-2011, 08:40 AM
VulgarHandle

Would be good to know. Built a PC for a buddy when AM2+ was just getting "mature".
Since, he has: upgraded his vidcard, doubled his memory, upgraded his OS, added a couple of Vertex SSD's, and he's been wanting a CPU. Was about to pull trigger on a 975, but these rumors have me holding off.

That would end up being a helluva upgrade path if Bulldozer ended up working on AM2+. He could skip Phenom II and later still be able to upgrade motherboard to AM3+ and DDR3(4?).

EDIT: nevermind, not gonna happen...:flame:
04-01-2011, 01:24 PM
NEOAethyr

The x4's are pretty good at 2.6ghz and above.
For pretty much anything you can throw at them pc wise.
Gaming, media, etc.

Even for encoding.

If you need serious power though the x6's and these x8's are where that's at.
04-02-2011, 05:09 PM
JF-AMD

We are only supporting AM3+.

DDR2 would never happen. Ever.
04-03-2011, 12:05 AM
FlanK3r

In days 2000 MHz+ DDR3 RAM would be ddr2 at bulldozer madness :D ...

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