and again... quadcore in a laptop... hah...
if you want bad battery life just replace the default one with a 3cell version :p:
oh but wait, that doesnt create the same noise and scorching heat hmmmm...
and again... quadcore in a laptop... hah...
if you want bad battery life just replace the default one with a 3cell version :p:
oh but wait, that doesnt create the same noise and scorching heat hmmmm...
I think you should look up this term:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Desktop replacement computer
i have one of those in my sig....Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
I`m sure SB based desktop replacements will offer much more elegant and compact solutions.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Any way there is number of laptops out there with relative good battery life and weight 2.8-2.9 kg using i7-720/740QM. I hope SB mobiles won't be more power hungry.
what i built is for ~500W (150-200W cpu, 250-300W gpu, and 50W for the rest) though currently under maximum possible load its only around 350WQuote:
Originally Posted by kl0012
and about the i7-740QM, thats exactly whats in my laptop, and it gets no more than 2.5 hours of battery life IN IDLE. its really crappy, and thats with minimum brightness and power saver mode. its a dell e6510 with a 6 cell battery.
Still barking up this tree? There has always been a market for laptops that are willing to trade battery life for performance. Are you telling me I am using my laptop wrong because I can make use of more powerful hardware? Maybe if you told us the correct way to use our computers we wouldn't offend you with our quad core laptops.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Would like one of those in my X201 Tablet :) and then one of the new intel ssd (even though they do use abit more juice)
It was not that long time ago when 2.5 hours was OK for an average laptop with dual-core cpu. And desktop replacement was something weights > 4 kg and with about 90 min of battery life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Think I'm with Saaya on this one.
Quad core in a laptop is just fine, if you can get some life out of the battery. Until they do, then it's just a DTR. I know DTRs are great and everything, but at least the option of being mobile without having to search for a plug all the time seems more important than running 4 cores constantly on a laptop that you (with exceptions, granted) probably won't need to run all 4 cores on most of the time.
I am interested in knowing, though, whether it'll be a mobile solution.
That is, if it's quad, with igp and a secondary real gpu, then will it swap? On the fly? What will be the max battery life on power saving vs full gaming mobile?
If they've got an 8 hour life on the power miser, and say, 1-2 hours on mobile gaming, I'm good with that, may look at replacing my aging Dell. But not for something that doesn't have at least the option of just messing around for 8 hours or even just close? 6 hours even?
Having a quad in a laptop is great. If it means no battery life? Not great. If you have a tower at home for the big power using features, and a laptop that..also..has big power features...why have the laptop if it's a DTR?
I have 2 lappy's. Well, ones really a netbook but it's good for messing around for 6 hours mobile. The Bigger Dell is my DTR and rarely goes unplugged, but only get's 1-2 hours max mobile gaming on the bigger battery.
If I can replace the pair with one of these, igp/discreet for best of both world and the battery life I want to see, sure! If it's a DTR with a quad and crappy battery life?
Well, I'm with Saaya on that. Quads in laptops? Meh...
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GM your back! its been a while man :D :toast:
yeah, those 4 cores come in really handy when playing games, oh wait, they dont...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
well they are really useful in video and image editing, thats for sure...
but oh wait, they come with 15" screens, awesome when you're editing videos and images, arent they? :P
4cores in a laptop dont make sense
4cores in a DTR makes sense, but not if your stuck with a 15" screen... what kind of a DTR is that in times when desktops have 22-24" screens and workstations 27-30"?
15" quadcore laptops are just as much of a desktop replacement as smartphones are a laptop replacement...
which is why i don't understand the point of a desktop replacement (laptop).Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
for games, ok i can kind of see it, even tho a 17" screen is incredibly small.
even for video/image editing, you need storage. working off of a usb hdd is too slow.
also u want a good screen, for professional work, meaning IPS.
have fun getting that on a laptop.
i only buy laptops with integrated graphics. why?
cheaper, runs cooler, longer battery life, and because i use my desktop for any real work that needs to be done, and don't forget about gaming.
Last christmas my wife wanted a computer, She wanted it for mostly internet but also liked games like spore, Sims 3 and she also has a HD cam corder she likes to use so being space limited I got her a 18.4" "laptop" quad core ati graphics 4gig ddr3 1000gig HDD, blu ray burner, blu tooth. She never takes it out or even unpluges it, It just slides under the sofa when she is not using it.
Its perfect for the job and she loves it, Others might not.
Jfyi nowadays DTRs have 17"+ displayes with 1600x900+, just as the one your criticizing.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
agree, would really like this HP DV laptop the only thing I need is a 9cell battery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
I don't care about battery time that much, 2-3 hours is fine for me, it's for work (few Virtual machines) it needs to be fast running many things at the same time, yet able to move for home-work-office-customer etc where you can always plug-in battery. If I travel I will use my pine-trail...(soon to be replaced by some fusion power :D )
Sascha, these really are desktop replacements. For most people those laptops don't make any sense, but for some they are just powerful computers in a smaller package. Yes, they really should leave out the batteries and give them bigger coolers instead, since battery runtime will suck anyway.
I for one will wait for SB dual cores with 10 hours+ battery runtime *kthxbai*
i get a new laptop from work every 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by kl0012
the one i got 2 years ago was a C2D 2.8ghz and that got 5 hours of battery life with average screen brightness with wifi on and doing light internet usage.
so my battery life is dropped by over half, yet my cpu performance might double only in 1 or 2 very specific cases. honestly its a waste of an upgrade relative to an SSD which fixes the biggest weak point in a laptop.
this is hardly a desktop replacement too, the gpu is quite crappy (like 3000 points in 3dmark 06). most of the weight of a laptop is the screen, due to a bigger screen, you need a bigger frame. the cooling system is less than half a lb going from 10W to 45W TDPs, so that next to nothing for total weight. then theres the battery which should not see such a horrible drop between cpus of similar real life performance.
this cpu is utter trash for a user who isnt going to be plugged in. checking out anand, the best i7-720QM was consuming 19W of power in idle, which was in a 17" laptop they refer to as a desktop replacement. so how does my 15" fall into the same category when the only real difference between the one i had 2 years ago, and todays? just the cpu.
so in summary, some chips may fit into a specific notebook, but then can instantly ruin why you got it in the first place. picking the fastest or most expensive one available dosnt make it the right one
You still haven't laid out what we should be using our computers for. We need that list or we will never know. :( Should I stop using my laptop for 3D rendering, or do I need to carry around a desktop when I'm not at my desk?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
You should carry your desk, LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
Laptops are not meant for heavy duty tasks, like 3D-render, gaming, etc ... I would rather carry around my 12C/24T SR-2, than using a laptop for 3D-render, because even that sometimes uses days to finish a typical descent 3D-render job.
That said, I think it's not a bad idea to have quad-core CPU in laptop. You may sometimes need it for multi-tasking or other CPU-intensive applications. Because these CPU's can save energy by down-clocking/disabling unused cores. So it's good to have several cores in case you need them, in my opinion.
EDIT: But there is a fine line there, because a quad-core is not going to offer much for most typical laptop-tasks.
Those quad-cores should be really power efficient (disable unused cores in a good way) and should also be as fast as a doubles/single-core in single-threats, and the price shouldn't be too much higher either, then why not having a few extra cores on hand?
If the whole GPU switching works, so when I am on battery it uses the integrated GPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatRaceTin
With disabling cores, or even being able to change the power profile to use a designated number of cores, the battery life should be OK.
All I ask is for a chip which can run SC2 on reasonably high settings. I don't care who makes it.
as for those decrying memory bandwidth... that's what L3 cache is for. MS did it in the xbox360 and so can AMD/Intel
yeah... i CAN game on my asus ul30vt, but it sucks... perf sucks, keyboard sucks, display sucks, display size sucks, sound sucks... if id add all those external components id still be limited by the gpu, and if id have a beefier gpu it would make my laptop notably bigger and heavier (heatsink) and notably more expensive...Quote:
Originally Posted by ripken204
the only reason i got the VT option with nvidia graphics is cause the intel igp version doesnt support overclocking for some reason... asus only unlocked the pll on the vt versions...
nope, read the link, the described laptops ate all 15", and even if they were 17", thats ridicuclously small nowadays...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
you should ask manicdan to help you build a suitcase workstation of your own or ask him to build one for you :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
friend of mine had a sleek suitcase system that ran a dual opteron dualcore with 8gb of ddr2 and 2 ati firegl cards in xfire (flexible pciE bridges so they lay flat parallel to the board.
the thing wasnt all that heavy at all, quite surprising!
it didnt contain a display but there are lanparty displays from alienware which are pretty rugged to carry around and not too heavy... :toast:
sure, my primary language is Cash, with English being my secondary language. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Source: http://www.geek.com/
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Over at NoteBookReview’s forums images of what appears to be the Sandy Bridge-equipped Alienware M17x have been posted. The images, which come from ChipHell.com, show a slightly redesigned M17x (what will be known as the R3, or Revision 3) complete with a snazzy red paint job and all new internal components.
This isn’t a complete picture of the new M17x but we do see some important changes to the processor and graphics. Looking at the benchmarks we can note that multiple systems were tested, one of which was running Nvidia GeForce GTX 460M graphics while another had the AMD Radeon HD 6900M (likely the 6970M). As for the Sandy Bridge processor the Nvidia system has the Intel Core i7 2820QM quad-core while Radeon model had the Core i7 2720QM.
With both systems outfitted with 4GB of RAM the AMD scored 20,155 in 3Dmark06 while the Nvidia got 16,957, despite having a faster processor. With a 2630QM and Intel HD integrated graphics the system picked up a respectable 15,940 3Dmarks.
The hardware changes appear to be minor but the system is missing its ExpressCard slot and it could be slightly thinner than the current model (that could just be the camera angle though). Some commenters pointed out that the size of the trackpad seems larger which appears to be true while others have pointed out the possibility of continuing with the 16:10 display, but my rudimentary measurements tell me that this display is 16:9. (Not having an M17x handy makes things like this hard to confirm.)
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It’s always possible that some of the information leaked like this is wrong but we do know for sure that Intel is releasing Sandy Bridge at the at the start of 2011. With this release just about every non-budget laptop is going to be revised in order to update to the new architecture, so there is little doubt that Dell is going to be putting out new Alienware products. At the same time they’ll want to revise the discrete graphics and make sure those new systems are packing the latest from Nvidia and AMD.
We’ll know for sure in just a few weeks (probably during CES), but it looks like Dell/Alienware has some exciting stuff planned.
Read more at the NBR forums.
Intel IGP score seems too high. This is probably Optimus tech in work. HD 200 should score ~5000.