NVIDIA Says AMD Reduced Image Quality Settings HD 6800 Series For Better Performance

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11-20-2010, 04:21 AM
Final8ty

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Originally Posted by Gener_AL (UK)

And the puppet masters start pulling the strings, Story is contradictory and configuration dependent, point being as normal ATI Image quality is better at default then it was on 5870 as it was 4870>5870.

Both sides have issues with IQ depending on driver OS and game, and other API.

Nvidia maybe opening a can of worms for themselves here if anything.

http://translate.google.com/translat...d_6850/s09.php
11-20-2010, 04:22 AM
E30M3

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Originally Posted by XSAlliN

Check his signature... :rolleyes:

LOL:rofl:
Check all who defend AMD include the one you Quote:ROTF:

AMD fanboys are the most
double standard fans in the World:down:
11-20-2010, 04:26 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by E30M3

LOL:rofl:
Check all who defend AMD include the one you Quote:ROTF:

AMD fanboys are the most
double standard fans in the World:down:

nvidia fanboy defends no iq optimizations and calls ati fanboys doubled standarded

DOUBLE oxymoron...
11-20-2010, 04:38 AM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

well for my part i dont expect people working for nvidia to be unbiased. even non related people have bias, so if you work for them i think that comes with the job no?

anyway if new drivers lower iq default then reviwers should be aware and when cayman is out they should perform all tests in high quality baseline.

yes it was sarcasm ... or an attempt at that .. anyway i agree on what you said
11-20-2010, 06:01 AM
generics_user

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Originally Posted by E30M3

LOL:rofl:
Check all who defend AMD include the one you Quote:ROTF:

AMD fanboys are the most
double standard fans in the World:down:

this is not abotu defending; this is about realising that this campaign is more related to the success of barts and a desperate attemp from nvidia to start a mudcampaign because their products in this price range are inferior right now and they aren't happy with their christmas sales...

AMD doesn't take anything away, they give you more options than you had before and TBH i'm happy to take the performance advantage in BFBC2 because i fail to see a difference in this game...
trackmania is another story, in this game i'm happy about the NEW HQ setting which completely eliminates banding (BTW: banding is present on the 8800GTS in my other pc...)

if there is one thing you can critisize them for is that they don't set HQ by default but i'm sure that most users take the extra performance over the IQ because most of them can't even see a difference between mid and high settings (which is sad but true)
11-20-2010, 06:17 AM
Manicdan

so the setting exists, and you just have to turn it on. sounds like such a big deal that we needed a post from nvidia with an exclamation point, after we already had a huge thread about it (and not the fisrt one)
11-20-2010, 06:19 AM
mAJORD

If I had a dollar for every "company x/y uses lower IQ to get higher performance" claim in the last ~10 yrs...

...I'd have founded Company Z
11-20-2010, 07:26 AM
-=DVS=-

The point is that ATI's default quality is lower then Nvidia's default and once you adjust quality setting for ATI to match Nvidias you incur FPS penelty , according to that article 10%. And after all that PR marketing from ATI that they got superior quality compared to prior 5xxx cards and good performance suddenly becomes a blurred truth.

Thats a simple fact , noone is arguing that you can set to high quality or what nvidia or ati did in the past , its about now and misleading benchmarks, info people get when deciding what to buy.
11-20-2010, 07:32 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by -=DVS=-

The point is that ATI's default quality is lower then Nvidia's default and once you adjust quality setting for ATI to match Nvidias you incur FPS penelty , according to that article 10%. And after all that PR marketing from ATI that they got superior quality compared to prior 5xxx cards and good performance suddenly becomes a blurred truth.

Thats a simple fact , noone is arguing that you can set to high quality or what nvidia or ati did in the past , its about now and misleading benchmarks, info people get when deciding what to buy.

thats only partially an issue. most reviews test at least 4-5 different iq settings and what you see is what you get - at the highest iq settings and aa the results are as accurate as they can be.
now if you want to complain about 1280x1024 default iq +no aa gaming then i cant relate since i dont play those settings anyway.
11-20-2010, 07:34 AM
rogueagent6

Successful troll thread is successful.

:rolleyes:
11-20-2010, 07:36 AM
Motiv

The problem is review sites. If they don't do a like for like review based on Image quality, then we're always stuck in this situation.

I think [H]ardOCP comes closest with reviews that take into consideration settings, but a review site that lowers/raises settings to give equal amounts of image quality is needed (are there any?).

As for the AMD and Nvidia fanbois in this thread. it's starting to get annoying, as none of you are giving any evidence to back up your arguments. AMD are under no obligation to set "Ultra High IQ" as default, and NVidia isn't either.
11-20-2010, 07:36 AM
Motiv

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Originally Posted by rogueagent6

Successful troll thread is successful.

:rolleyes:

+1

something needs to be done about the constant fanboi arguments. It's starting to get tiresome, if you can't get off page 1.
11-20-2010, 07:37 AM
trinibwoy

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Originally Posted by E30M3

but it does not matter when its aMd who cheat???

That is correct. I was convinced of that when they made a public statement to the effect of "we wanted to bring all products in line with the lower quality in order to be consistent". That took some balls but as evidenced in this thread they knew they could get away with it.
11-20-2010, 08:00 AM
Carfax

LOL @ AMD Droids defending AMD's shoddy IQ :rofl:

"B-b-but no one can notice it!!" :rolleyes:
11-20-2010, 08:05 AM
trinibwoy

Did you guys read the blog post?

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For those with long memories, NVIDIA learned some hard lessons with some GeForce FX and 3DMark03 optimization gone bad, and vowed to never again perform any optimizations that could compromise image quality.

Hahahaha, that's so funny. They were "taught" some hard lessons more like it.
11-20-2010, 08:09 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by Carfax

LOL @ AMD Droids defending AMD's shoddy IQ :rofl:

"B-b-but no one can notice it!!" :rolleyes:

look at the motives

AMD did it for better performance.
Nvidia pointed it out for marketing gains.
AMD users feel like they dont care about the difference, fix the settings, or feel hurt a little.
Nvidia users are crying so they can justify their overpriced purchase.
11-20-2010, 08:14 AM
Chumbucket843

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Originally Posted by Motiv

The problem is review sites. If they don't do a like for like review based on Image quality, then we're always stuck in this situation.

that's why they include more than FPS numbers in their reviews. there is more to look for in a card than just performance or IQ.

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AMD are under no obligation to set "Ultra High IQ" as default, and NVidia isn't either.

sure there is no obligation, but is it right to lower image quality to gain performance? we would just end up in a race of degrading IQ.

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Originally Posted by Carfax

LOL @ AMD Droids defending AMD's shoddy IQ :rofl:

"B-b-but no one can notice it!!" :rolleyes:

insightful post.:up:
11-20-2010, 08:26 AM
MrMojoZ

Well if you wanted to make a list of nvidia fanboys, this thread is a good place to start.
11-20-2010, 08:42 AM
Vardant

You meant AMD fanboys, right? :yepp:
11-20-2010, 08:49 AM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by Vardant

You meant AMD fanboys, right? :yepp:

loll he meant the fanboy's that think amd is always doing bad even tho they arent
11-20-2010, 08:56 AM
EvilOne

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Originally Posted by Vardant

You meant AMD fanboys, right? :yepp:

There's a diffrence?
11-20-2010, 09:03 AM
SKYMTL

People can finger point all they want. The video comparisons on the sites linked are pretty much universal in their translation.
11-20-2010, 09:18 AM
cegras

So ... the card bands in an AF testing program with an artificial texture that nvidia has ironically decried the use of because it's not real?

Can we get some real games tested, please? And let's try not to only focus on Far Cry or Trackmania.
11-20-2010, 10:14 AM
Pantsu

As long as this is not a problem during normal gameplay it's mostly irrelevant. Show me a comparison video of a recent game that shows this in a noticeable way and we can call it a real problem.
11-20-2010, 10:41 AM
Vardant

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Originally Posted by EvilOne

There's a diffrence?

There's certainly a huge difference in numbers for one, but it is the amount of bias they're capable of, that really sets them apart. Case in point, the AF issue.

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