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Umm I will, I guess TN is okay for the slightly color blind... but besides extremely low power laptop displays TN has no goddamn place in this age. Unless you like gaming at 16bit with :banana::banana::banana::banana: viewing angles. Grrr I hate TN. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
Yeah it's fake see here.
And here is a wonderful picture :rolleyes:
http://www.e-trend.co.jp/item/201011..._09_img_02.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by safan80
LOL
Not really. The refresh rate of the monitor is only the tip of the iceberg. At this point in the industry there is nothing even close to what you and I would call "standards".Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Panel and 3D glasses manufacturers use sometimes-conflicting polarization methods. The same thing goes for the active sync technology between the monitor / TV and the glasses; there are I believe 5 different technologies being used currently. For example, this is why Panasonic 3D shutter glasses won't work on a Samsung TV. Granted, Bit Cauldron's HeartBeat technology is a way to overcome this but so far it hasn't been widely used outside of Monster's Max 3D glasses.
Certification and hardware checks ensure that the proper hardware is being used so the "experience" isn't clouded by mixing and matching products that were never meant to work together.
You can still use 3D with an interpolated screen. Heck, you can even run 3D at 60Hz but the flickering of active shutter glasses working at 30 / 30 (and somtimes lower) will likely give you the mother of all headaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
This would have been an important step in the right direction if it had a true 120Hz refresh rate. I don't care if the refresh rate is 120Hz, 240Hz, or 100000000Hz if it's interpolated from 60Hz. All the motion for interpolated panels looks like garbage.
Can current IPS tech even do a true 120hz? :shrug:
5.5ms = 181 fps, so i assume this can easily do it :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
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Originally Posted by SKYMTL
As it stands I want good 3D for home use without the need for glasses and nothing can really do that right now. I was hoping that this was at least true 120hz at 1920x1200, but it only does 1920x1080 and there are a lot of monitors that already do that.
I don't think it can or we would already have IPS monitors that could do true 120hzQuote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Don't think ill be changing my Dell U2711 anytime soon... :rolleyes:
Why? Don't you think the costs/price and the relatively small target crowd such a panel would have is the reason not more manufacturers are pushing IPS panels with 120Hz? 120Hz TN panels haven't even been around for that long, it's just logical for it to take a while before we'd see IPS panels with 120Hz for obvious reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
Id have to try a 120hz Ips before making final judgement but from a gaming only standpoint current (60hz) Ips tech is to slow for me. From a photo editing and video viewing standpoint though they are no brainers. TN viewing angles do suck royally but I can overlook this for their superior Input and better response (again games only ) I use a 2nd non TM screen for most none gaming tasks by the way.
Im running 30" HP ZR30W S-IPS on my primary machine, 3 x 24" LG with TN-panel on my 2nd machine and on 3rd machine i have 24" ZR24W screen, and then is the htpc but thats whole different thing.
I use S-IPS on everything else exept FPS games where i use 3 x 24" TN screens due faster responce time and allmost zero input lag.
S-IPS have bit better image quality but while gaming it is not noticeable.
Id like to try one of those LED 120Hz TN and IPS screens and compare but i have litle or no use for it than just testing.
Thats 5.5 GtG wont do, it needs be at least 8.3 B2B so its truly 120Hz panel and 240Hz panel would require 4.16ms B2B.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Short answer no. Long answer not with current panels, B2B tend to be at least around 10ms.
But TN panels, oh my theyre doing 4-5ms B2B (capable of 200-240Hz).
The truth of the matter, is that even though 120hz is a useful and even needed feature... monitor makers, like with 3d, use it as stupid gimmick to sell more TN trash. I have a S-IPS TV thats over a year old that is true 120hz.Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
Any good IPS or even MVA screen is every bit as quick as TN, as far as 120hz and input lag is concerned. Heck I have a 3 year old LG P-MVA that is lag'less. LCD panel tech, irregardless of matrix has been ghostless for nearly 5 years. Any lag present is a peculiarity with the monitors controller chip and HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH whether ITS TN/MVA/PVA OR IPS. And yes we are talking off CRT measurement, they are all pretty uniform.
There are no HDTV's that can do 240hz true. They are all interpolated.Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
Interpolation is crap. :down:
I would call true field display rate (30hz, 50hz, 60hz, 100hz, 120hz) a standard, but I do agree it depends on if the manufacturer is after your wallet or your loyalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
For use of 120hz on a true 120hz display there should be no need for checks. For 3D I agree with you.Quote:
Panel and 3D glasses manufacturers use sometimes-conflicting polarization methods. The same thing goes for the active sync technology between the monitor / TV and the glasses; there are I believe 5 different technologies being used currently. For example, this is why Panasonic 3D shutter glasses won't work on a Samsung TV. Granted, Bit Cauldron's HeartBeat technology is a way to overcome this but so far it hasn't been widely used outside of Monster's Max 3D glasses.
Certification and hardware checks ensure that the proper hardware is being used so the "experience" isn't clouded by mixing and matching products that were never meant to work together.
Yes, you can use 3D on a 60hz display (whether it is interpolated to 120, 240, 480, or 600hz or not, pretty much every TV on the market that can do 60hz is 3D capable) but you are limited to 30hz which is only good for watching movies.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Thats fine for movies.
What TV do you have that's true 120Hz?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dainas
OLED = won me over.
IPS + 3D = welcome.
I'm using the same LG you are referring to and I have to disagree. Although it has great color reproduction and solid viewing angles, i find it noticeably ghosts and has a discernible increase in input lag compared to many tn displays, 120s included. It's still a nice unit even by today standards but I never enjoyed gaming on it. It's currently my secondary productivity display and struts its stuff there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dainas
As for the whole interpolation thing, I think it sucks. It makes it look like I'm watching a movie from an on set perspective and not as a viewer of the final product. Kinda of like looking through a window really. It totally destroys all the post processing that makes a movie look like a movie and not merely a.cheap home video. Movies are filmed and finalized with the standard 24 frames in mind.
why are people so obsessed with ips panels???
Did you test the ACER 245HQ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea deluxe
To bad...Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
Guess it's same reason why others can be satisfied with an entry level VGA, an integrated sound card or a pair of 10$ Headset which does work - as in, you get image and sound but some want better quality and so on...Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Don't really care if it's IPS or other panel with similar potential... but I was never satisified with TN, when switch from CRT to TN models, tried 7 of them and eventually end-up with one that had a *VA panel which, which was the only one I could consider "decent"... After broking it, switched to e-IPS which has some advantages - but not as good when it comes to black level and viewing angles, yet still x times better than a TN.
crappy color.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeager
crap overdrive effect on the daily use.
little ghosting.
xactly! didnt know there are 4-5ms b2b tn panels... thats insane!Quote:
Originally Posted by rintamarotta
i did see 200-240hz tn demos at the display and led show after computex 2 years ago, and they looked awesome... i dont think they interpolated anything, it was incredibly sharp... they were running 40"+ demos with old chinese scrolls being pulled in front of the camera from left to right.
on the 200-240hz demos you could see every fine detail and there was 0 ghosting... no blur either... if that was interpolation im impressed...
anyways, when i asked them when i can buy one they said it depends on the display makers, as they only produce the panels... they told me display makers probably wont pick it up as its too expensive, even for premium tvs, and that they will wait until its cheaper, which will probably be 2013/2014... sigh...
until then 3d will suck it seems... :/
btw, i tried a samsung 40"+ 3d tv demo last weekend... the ghosting was terrible... i thought there was something wrong with the glasses, but then i realized each eye was seeing a blurry impression of the other eyes frames cause the response time was that bad...
this kind of 3d ghosting is way worse than any ghosting ive seen on 2d displays so far...
what kind of games do you play?Quote:
Originally Posted by XSAlliN
you dont notice any probs?
how dell U2711 for the game, which is better than the Asus VG236H 120Hz..??:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea deluxe
u2711 have a ridicolous input lag...Quote:
Originally Posted by synthetic2008
is impossible to be competitive on-line on most fps.