That didnt sit well with me either since the L2 is tied into each integer core on a module so one would think youd lose their L2 cache in cutting out a module.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
EDIT: thought wrong was thinking they said 6 and 8 core would have the same total cache.
Since L3 is shared with all cores and not associated to any single one the 6 cores retaining full L3 will probably be dysfunctional 8 core dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
I'd say the 4 core will be it's own die, because it would cost less to manufacture. Depending on how yeilds go, they probably don't expect to have to dump 8 core chips into a 4 core segment though 6 cores would be more probable.
With new tech there is allways problem, some transistor may brake inside cpu and half cpu is dead..Or lets say quarder maybe 1/6 or 1/8Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
I think is better to sell as mid range then in trash.
i know thats why they are making 6 core versions, but they never seemed to chop up L3 before, it either was built with it, or built without it. so it seems the 4 core version is built for 4 max and given half of everythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Ego
Um, server will be lower than that. We will be in the same power/thermal ranges as today and we have a 12-core low power part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
FYI everyone. AMD will give some detail about bulldozer in the analyst day briefing next week. It would be best to wait for the actual news instead of speculating.
Sounds good! Hope we will get some actual performance data. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
no performance data until launch.
Wondering if that is due the current performance :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
it is for not make intel piss in his pants :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by M.Beier
....really, lol really though? no it is Business, like poker, you don't show your hand until the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by M.Beier
That's a real surprise from AMD...
Originally thought that Llano will launch in Q2, and Bulldozer in Q3 / Q4.
You can demo a Bulldozer at low clock to show you have working sample while hiding its real potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by god_43
Usually, major companies only build hype if the product royally sucks. Since AMD has let very few details slide about the performance of their product, we may be in for a treat with BD.
Here's to hoping Intel gets a kick in the pants. We need the competition to drive prices down.
Nvidia does not represent all companies... May I remind you of Gulftown :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Pistol
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Originally Posted by qcmadness
and people wouldnt be surprise by anything else other then superpi so forget it .. amd will hide its power until launch day ... and i kinda understand why
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol
we need competition to force intel to push the tech to its fullest ... like they did with the core 2 ... that's true competition ...
Yep. That's the most important part. Still, I'd love to see Intel and AMD get locked in a brutal price war that drives chip prices into the ground. I mean, I love how AMD's offerings right now are fairly good and priced to steal, but Intel is dominating the market on the high end. If AMD delievers, Intel starts having to compete on price rather than all out performance... the consumer wins if both companies are neck and neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
You know how people are, especially around forums like this. You give them a glimpse of what it can do and people are at it trying to extrapolate a guesstimate and criticizing whatever that ends up being.. OR they will jump all over the fact that its only a simple test, exclaiming its held together with wooden screws and hamsters under that CPU cooler. I don't think a simple demo like that will gain them anything. At least for us folk. I understand their position in not showing their cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by qcmadness
Just a question Why april ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
Why not it's not starting just after first sample yet ? :confused:
I know APM is good, but yield need most time around 6 months before going good. 4+6=10 so november 2011 ???? Why it's sayed end of Q2 and start of Q3 meaning june/july on xbitlabs ?
my guess was already end of june, but i was thinking bulldozer was starting in january.
I just hope evrything will be good for BD samples, i would like a new fail from AMD, they don't need it, and i don't need wait so more for buy a new CPU ;)
This is getting exciting, only 5 months away, I'm hoping it isn't released on April 1st....:D
no, Thubans still will be...so, high mainstream CPUs not death with 890 chipset :). And Im for news socket, if will be better for performance Bulldozer (dont see in it problem)Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
Whoalaaaaaa, great news Informal, thx for it, nice morning for me;)
JF: of course, will watch stream at Analyst day :up:, I need to have all Zambezis to home:D (quad, hexa, eightcores, never sold it :) )
We ppl are in crossroads, amd or intel.
core2quads getting old now days, and if amd want to give market to intel(i3,i5,i7 exc.)......
lots of cache... sigh... doesnt sound very promising...
whenever somebody put lots of cache on a chip in the past it was done to boost performance when tweaking the core wasnt possible or too much of a hassle...
this is THE new architecture and it comes with lots of cache instead of using as much die space for logic as possible... idk, to me this sounds like bad news...
then again, this is a server part anyways and not aimed at desktops, so i guess there lots of cores with lots of cache is good news and fp perf and ipc doesnt matter than much... i guess itll do well for servers... doesnt sound like itll do well in the desktop area at all though :/
Looks like that the desktop parts will arrive earlier than the server ones. As I thought earlier...
That would be a massive marketing failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by JkS
Yup Desktop will get the first priopity because magnycours is doing good in server market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda