yea, but whats 17x200. Maybe my calculator is broken but thats not 3200.
I have no problem with the design of the container, i just think its odd that he/they choose to use so little copper in it.
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yea, but whats 17x200. Maybe my calculator is broken but thats not 3200.
I have no problem with the design of the container, i just think its odd that he/they choose to use so little copper in it.
The thin base is a problem because:
IF they would have benched...the CPU temp would have fluctuated wildly. The IHS/CORE would have went from -150C to -110C up and down...and the benchie would crash. It's because the lack of MASS on top of the CPU. I don't care if there is -196C liquid on top of a CPU, LN2 doesn't "conserve heat energy" like metal (copper). With a 2cm copper plate, the temp will remain -150c ish while adding a bit of LN2 every few minutes, even under load. Maybe a few degrees swing, that's it.
As an example: once upon a time I made a dry ice GPU container from ABS plastic, the only metal part was a 1/2" copper pipe plug which served as the baseplate/contact plate. Dry ice/Alk is -60C ish, but the probe on that little piece of copper wouldn't drop below -10C under load...
MASS is everything....MASS conserves energy (heat)
With no load, I'm sure THG baseplate hit -170ish...thus the big screenshot, but put a load on it, lol
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The thing that kills me is that they acted as if they were shocked that the FX-51 they ran was stable at 206MHz (412MHz FSB...oooooooooooh!) but they had no problem running the P4EE to 310MHz (1240MHz FSB).
I think they are total :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:s!:rolleyes:
17 x 200 = 3.4ghz.
but... if they could get a modified motherboard, whats to say they didnt get intel to give them a 3.2c unlocked to 17?
i dont see any other cpu's unlocked so low as 2x. i suppose the 2 is so they could, if they wanted, go for the highest fsb possible. who knows, 2x400 w/ 3:2? ;)
but then again, thats what its all about, right? "who knows".
Its an ES chip, from Intel like they stated.Quote:
Originally posted by lalPOOO
yea, but whats 17x200. Maybe my calculator is broken but thats not 3200.
Its not an EE, look at the CPUID string. It also shows 512k cache.
have anybody loooked the video?
They have running the banch stable at 5,25 GHz
but thy so silly and gave the P4 ONLY 1.75 !!!
2 V or 2,1V where all benchmarks stable run!
BUt they dont loose his best Pentium 4!
These are the same guys that couldnt get an FX-51 past 2265mhz, 2-3-2-6. You're asking way too much.Quote:
Originally posted by mat3003
have anybody loooked the video?
They have running the banch stable at 5,25 GHz
but thy so silly and gave the P4 ONLY 1.75 !!!
2 V or 2,1V where all benchmarks stable run!
BUt they dont loose his best Pentium 4!
They had an FX at 2800mhz a month or two ago.Quote:
Originally posted by Sovereignty
These are the same guys that couldnt get an FX-51 past 2265mhz, 2-3-2-6. You're asking way too much.
But multiplier overclocking is pretty weak. 200x14..........
http://www20.tomshardware.com/cpu/20031230/5ghz-11.htmlQuote:
Originally posted by mat3003
have anybody loooked the video?
They have running the banch stable at 5,25 GHz
but thy so silly and gave the P4 ONLY 1.75 !!!
2 V or 2,1V where all benchmarks stable run!
BUt they dont loose his best Pentium 4!
That shows 1.888v.
Is it dangerous playing with liquid nitro?? Is this LN2 flamable? Can I smoke while play with it?? I don't want to blow my house, you know.....
Agreed hell of an accomplishment but not extraordinary.... (sounds odd but let me explain)Quote:
Originally posted by Kunaak
captaincascade made Opp's cooling?
wanna make fun of opp now?
no.
see how one thing seems ok, but take the exact same thing and put it to someone we respect and then it seems out of place?
fact is, we all need help sometimes.
so thg needed asus, big deal.
a 5 ghz shot is still a hell of an accomplishment regaurdless of how it was done.
Those Jap guys are running 5GHz since June iirc stable enough for SuperPi yes?? Now what makes theirs extraordinary is that they BUY the kit and MOD IT THEMSELVES! THG have done none of this....
Asus premodded with what looks like extra bits to keep stable voltages.
Intel provided the CPU obviously a hand picked ES example (Do we see any screenies of the CPU itself no) so they are using pre-release kit compared to the off the shelf stuff from that the Jap guys use (yes its hand picked but they still have to get it from the store!)
It was litterally a 5GHz shot....
As for the comment bouts Opps cooling I don't see how that has any relevance. He uses a cascade system not LN2 and was at hand to help with the construction of the cascade. Also he has to buy his kit and benches off the shelf kit which he has at stable speeds through skill not just a screenie.
The skill sets are completly different. THG are just out to big themselves up as Opp is out there to smash REAL records....
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Originally posted by Kunaak
I don't get why people complain about such petty things like the design of the container.
it worked didn't it?
thats like complaining about the color of a prometiea...
plus, isn't this the exact same thing watercooling guys are doing right now, trying to make thinner and thinner cores aboce the CPU so heat transfers with less interference...
I personally like it when someone has the balls or resources for LN2, even if it is THG.
so what if Asus modded thier board.
captaincascade made Opp's cooling?
wanna make fun of opp now?
no.
see how one thing seems ok, but take the exact same thing and put it to someone we respect and then it seems out of place?
fact is, we all need help sometimes.
so thg needed asus, big deal.
a 5 ghz shot is still a hell of an accomplishment regaurdless of how it was done.
So damn right! :toast:
Yes it is dangerous. No It is not flammable but it will displace oxygen. It needs to be worked with in a well ventilated room.Quote:
Is it dangerous playing with liquid nitro?? Is this LN2 flamable? Can I smoke while play with it?? I don't want to blow my house, you know.....
btw: THG is a joke!!!!!!
I guess Ill join the group that agrees with your extraordinary statement there :)Quote:
Originally posted by Kunaak
I don't get why people complain about such petty things like the design of the container.
it worked didn't it?
thats like complaining about the color of a prometiea...
plus, isn't this the exact same thing watercooling guys are doing right now, trying to make thinner and thinner cores aboce the CPU so heat transfers with less interference...
I personally like it when someone has the balls or resources for LN2, even if it is THG.
so what if Asus modded thier board.
captaincascade made Opp's cooling?
wanna make fun of opp now?
no.
see how one thing seems ok, but take the exact same thing and put it to someone we respect and then it seems out of place?
fact is, we all need help sometimes.
so thg needed asus, big deal.
a 5 ghz shot is still a hell of an accomplishment regaurdless of how it was done.
What gave you the idea that it was a P4EE? It's a regular P4C ES chip.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Kanavit
to be honest, i wasn't too impressed when i first heard about THG's 5.25ghz P4 EE on LN2. a while ago, a Japanese review site had already accomplished that with Super PI record with P4 EE, didn't they? I've have seen Macci get 5ghz on a regular P4 and 4.5g on EE with Cascade. so, THG 5.25g is respectable but not extroadinary.
btw: Kunaak,
Tom and OPP are not the same. Tom has proven that he can't be trusted to give a truthful review. OPP has proven the opposite. What makes you think we should treat them the same?
It was just a hail mary screenshot, but a hell of an accomplishment!!
Credit to tom or whoever he bought the benchie from, id like to see more on this and the chip, but it's probably going back to Asus "toms sugerdaddy" to whore thier next board.
Anyone notice that Big copper Flower heatsink on the Vidcard?? Anyone know what it is??
Vid card pic from another angle.
I found what's holding us all back from 5ghz, watch the video.
That guy has mad skillz at applying theremal paste!!!!
Im using way too little. I need that man size 600gram tube, the puts on more paste than these little tubes i have hold!!
people are taking the Opp commment waaaay out of context.
if you follow the stream of though from the whole post instead of one line, you get what I am saying.
I wasn't comparing them.
I was saying, Opp gets help sometimes.
THG had help.
wheres the difference?
there is none, very few people do every single thing themself, and honestly only Macci and Bowman come to mind for doing everything themself, from making thier own cooling, to mods, to OC's.
most people get help to some degree.
asus may have helped THG, but thats no different then Opp getting free prometeias or CPU's.
I was saying-we all get help at some point, and I think it's kinda dumb we have people here crapping on a 5.2 ghz OC, cause they had help, or posted only a screen shot, when theres been plenty of people here that do the exact same things.
to me, thats like taking your weekend hotrod, entering the indy 500 and complaining that dale erhardt has a 500,000 dollar car, and works with 1500 hp, while you can't.
Tedinde
thats just a stock MSI 5900 cooler.
Why did they put a vapo on the northbridge?
I mena a 3.2 at 5.2ghz isn't running that high of a fsb. Only like 325.....
Nice looking cooler, Is it all copper or just anodized?? I kinda stay away from anything MSI for about 3 years.
Congrats from me on the over 5ghz, that cant be denied. Also congrats from me for someone not freezing a hand off or even a finger!!!
The LN2 cooler looked basic, but it did work. I dont know why they had to go to a copper works to get it custom made??
I could see maybe going to a mill with a slug of sold copper and having it milled. Im surprised the joints didnt come apart. But again it did work.
Only thing i question is the Special made Asus board. Kinda make me thing Asus funded the whole thing, and the cpu is one of their ringers.
We shall see though, there should be more write up on this chip and set up or will it die like their usual records in the past.
As for now toms hardware owns!! but they are still gay!!!hehe
No offense to anyone that is gay!!! Unless you hang out there!!!
Nice clock no doubt about that.
But why no benchmarks at all?
'4700MHz was totally stable...max at 5255MHz'
it seems to me they didn't know how to use LN2 ;)
The difference between max clock and max bench speed ain't that huge when done properly. Should be no more than 150-250MHz. So they should have been able to bench at 4.9-5G minium.
And whats that SATA RAID stuff doing in a system like that?
Man I hate the music on that video :D
LMAO!!! Not that there is anything wrong with that. :stick:Quote:
Originally posted by Tedinde
As for now toms hardware owns!! but they are still gay!!!hehe
No offense to anyone that is gay!!! Unless you hang out there!!!
at least he hit 5ghz.