A64 3000+ and Shuttle luuuuvvinn....!!!!

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12-28-2003, 03:12 PM
pik-ard v1.1

is that 2.7ghz on stock air?

if so, ill deffinately get me one of those once i get the money togeather :D

i guess the less cache less it OC higher? :confused:
12-28-2003, 05:10 PM
eclypse

No he's using a Prommy.. 2300-2400 looks doable on air though.
12-28-2003, 06:23 PM
Naughtyboy

Quote:

Originally posted by pik-ard v1.1
is that 2.7ghz on stock air?

Jezzez Crist :D .... noo m8.....that´s on prommy Mach II.

It did 2400mhz on air 3DMark stable.....but not 100% stable thou
12-28-2003, 07:03 PM
pik-ard v1.1

meh, just went back and looked at the first post, and it said stock cooling... oh well. so much for that dream... ;)

i woulda thought though, that since it had less cache, it would be able to OC further mhz wise then the 3200+ with 1mb l2 cache
12-29-2003, 01:51 AM
Naughtyboy

Dame...have been struggling with way to low 3DMark benchies.....gonna go for a reinstall tomorrow.
But I´ll go for Win2000 instead and see if that´ll help me some.
12-29-2003, 06:11 AM
JoeBar

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Originally posted by pik-ard v1.1
meh, just went back and looked at the first post, and it said stock cooling... oh well. so much for that dream... ;)

i woulda thought though, that since it had less cache, it would be able to OC further mhz wise then the 3200+ with 1mb l2 cache

I believe that the limit isn't the cache but 0.13ì technology. Both intel and amd need 0.09... ;)
12-29-2003, 07:08 AM
Soulburner

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Originally posted by JoeBar
I believe that the limit isn't the cache but 0.13ì technology. Both intel and amd need 0.09... ;)

There are several things involved.

A big thing is pipeline size, which is what lets Intel clock theirs so high.
12-29-2003, 07:44 AM
Firelord-OCHW

Wonder what would happen under water?? I reckon 2550-2600 easily :)

Nice effort mate :) seems like a steal if you ask me :D
12-30-2003, 02:11 AM
gabbax

Yepp, verry nice

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Originally posted by [NH]Naughtyboy
OK guys...started to do some playin with this puppy.

This what I am atm:

http://upl.mine.nu/uplfolders/upload3/SuperPI@2700.jpg

AMD powa, my 2.6@4102 does 35sec. And this tiny 2.7 same time:slobber: (i just cant w8 to get my 64 rig back:cool:
12-30-2003, 02:17 AM
SmokeyTheBandit

i have a question for [NH]Naughtyboy

If you start up clockgen for the nForce 3 what are the AGP and PCI busses ?
12-30-2003, 06:28 AM
JoeBar

Quote:

Originally posted by Soulburner
There are several things involved.

A big thing is pipeline size, which is what lets Intel clock theirs so high.

I agree. Despite their differences though, in my opinion, a huge step in oc'ing speeds (for each manufacturer the speeds will be different) is going to happen only with the transition to 0.09.
12-31-2003, 03:52 AM
Naughtyboy

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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBandit
i have a question for [NH]Naughtyboy

If you start up clockgen for the nForce 3 what are the AGP and PCI busses ?

Well m8.... AGP=66.80 PCI=33.40

And I hve been running my onboard SATA with my WD Raptor at 280fsb ...without any problems what so ever....so I do belive there is a working pci lock on this one.
12-31-2003, 04:06 AM
Firelord-OCHW

Ooooo thats good news for anyone wanting A64 lurving :D
12-31-2003, 04:30 AM
Lastviking

[NH]Naughtyboy

How high vmem did you use @270fsb?and timings.

Thx
12-31-2003, 06:53 AM
SmokeyTheBandit

Quote:

Originally posted by [NH]Naughtyboy
Well m8.... AGP=66.80 PCI=33.40

And I hve been running my onboard SATA with my WD Raptor at 280fsb ...without any problems what so ever....so I do belive there is a working pci lock on this one.

Thats what i needed 2 know :) :) :banana: :toast:
12-31-2003, 08:33 AM
eclypse

Voltage mod for this shuttle board? Is it safe? I just need like a tad over 3v or somewhere in the 3.0-3.2 range..

I just received my Shuttle board and it dont like anything over 220FSB using the newest BIOS cause of that little 2.88v vdimm.

I just picked up a 3400+ 64 chip at a local shop last night out doing some Xmas returns.. hehe I couldnt pass it up! Got it for 450.00. SO far just messing with it today i had it at 2400Mhz at 220FSB. The 3000+ didnt even want nothing to do with 220FSB.

Its using the 11 Mult! So hehe.. I think 230FSB should be doable..heheh THough its cooking with a Cooler Master HS now at like 51C at 1.5v :( God i have to order me a water block for this thing.
12-31-2003, 08:56 AM
MrIcee

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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBandit
i have a question for [NH]Naughtyboy

If you start up clockgen for the nForce 3 what are the AGP and PCI busses ?

ClockGen does NOT read the proper PCI speeds. When I scaled the Shuttle to 335Mhz FSB it still read 33Mhz, and it was definitely not the case. Without an addin IDE controller I could not scale the FSB without problems. My thoughts are his serial controller and/or hard drive are much more tolerant of the PCI speeds than most.

It has been proven through the use of PCI geiger that the PCI bus is NOT locked and is an inherent feature in all nForce3 chipsets no matter the board manufacturer. The AGP bus is in fact locked. PCI bus appears to run on a 1/6th divider.

Quote:

Originally posted by eclypse
Voltage mod for this shuttle board? Is it safe? I just need like a tad over 3v or somewhere in the 3.0-3.2 range..

I just received my Shuttle board and it dont like anything over 220FSB using the newest BIOS cause of that little 2.88v vdimm.

Lard Arse posted the mods for the Shuttle over at VR-Zone. They are indeed safe and easy to perform. 3-3.2v will be a piece of cake. Just remember that the unlocked PCI bus contributes to the inability of scaling FSB on these boards, and you will need an addin PCI IDE or Serial Controller to take it to it's limits. You'll also need to use clock gen to lower your multi to take advantage of the FSB capabilities of the board, and to also go above the bios' 280Mhz FSB limitation.

Just a forewarning of the Shuttles Vdimm abilities: extreme Vdimm will take out the memory controller on the A64, so only use as much as needed to achieve your FSB goal.

Good luck in your endeavors:)

Randi:D
12-31-2003, 09:38 AM
eclypse

Thanks Randi! Your always there when i need an answer ;)
12-31-2003, 10:37 AM
Naughtyboy

Quote:

Originally posted by Lastviking
[NH]Naughtyboy

How high vmem did you use @270fsb?and timings.

Thx

Well I was running it at 5:4 divider...or as it says in bios 166mh(PC2700)...so that gave me about 224mhz in memory speed @ 2,5 - 2 - 2 - 5.....my A-Data BH-5 wont do cas2. And al this with 3,0 vdimm.

How ever I´ve tried 1:1 and manged 260 1:1 2,5 - 2 - 2 - 5 with 3.5vdimm....didn´t dare higher. Can´t afford a new chp right now.
12-31-2003, 10:44 AM
Naughtyboy

Quote:

Originally posted by MrIcee
My thoughts are his serial controller and/or hard drive are much more tolerant of the PCI speeds than most.

Well MrIcee.....with all due respect...but I´ve tried 2 Raptors..both worked fine.
A whole bunch of IDE drives both new and old....they worked fine...and also different kind of PCI addon cards...just ordinary 33mhz card that is...and they also worked fine.

So about having luck with my hardware I can´t agree.....because of the amount of different hardware I´ve tried.

So if the pci lock really isn´t there then I must be equiped with the most tolreant mobo in the world.
12-31-2003, 11:08 AM
SmokeyTheBandit

Quote:

Originally posted by [NH]Naughtyboy
Well MrIcee.....with all due respect...but I´ve tried 2 Raptors..both worked fine.
A whole bunch of IDE drives both new and old....they worked fine...and also different kind of PCI addon cards...just ordinary 33mhz card that is...and they also worked fine.

So about having luck with my hardware I can´t agree.....because of the amount of different hardware I´ve tried.

So if the pci lock really isn´t there then I must be equiped with the most tolreant mobo in the world.

Indeed i second that how in the hell is 280 + FSB possible with a not PCI locked mobo full of onboard junk and pci cards.

Also if you higher the AGP Bus @ clockgen the PCI bus goes higer 2 so i think were frikkin lucky or indeed the most tolerant mobos there are :stick: :D
12-31-2003, 12:18 PM
MrIcee

Guys...I'm just reporting to you results of tests that have already been done. I can tell you unequivockly that I had trouble above your reported 280Mhz FSB.....until I installed the Promise Ultra133 TX2 for my hard drive, a WD 80 gig JB. I couldn't get to 300Mhz FSB without it let alone make it to 335Mhz FSB reliably.

This is not to say they aren't using a divider scheme higher than 1/6th once you pass certain frequencies. But it has been determined there is no lock on the PCI bus, and the following tests have confirmed it:

http://www.lostcircuits.com/motherboard/nforce3_pci/

http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx...var1=64&var2=0

Randi:D
12-31-2003, 02:30 PM
Soulburner

From [H]:

Quote:

Since testing, VIA has been kind enough to give us some facts that surround OCing their K8T800 chipset. The AGP, CPU and HyperTransport busses are locked, or rather figured in direct relationship to one another. The CPU/HT bus is 3X the AGP bus. Example:

AGP (66.3MHz) X 3 = CPU/HT(200MHz)

Keep in mind that the HT can be run at 1X, 2X, 3X, or 4X of the CPU bus.

So, every MHz you raise the CPU bus by, it raises the AGP bus by 1/3MHz. So:

210MHz CPU bus = 70MHz AGP busThe PCI bus is totally independent of all of this and is fixed at 33MHz.
12-31-2003, 02:52 PM
MrIcee

Yep, I've seen that too in reference to the VIA chipsets.

Our discussion was on the PCI bus of the nForce3 chipset boards:)

Randi:D
12-31-2003, 04:00 PM
Soulburner

Oops, my bad. Should still clear something up for Via owners though.

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