Adobe tells Apple buh bye - puts all dev focus on android

All the needs to happen is Farmville on Android and its pretty much game over for Apple. :rofl:

We are almost there. :)

https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitl...android_signup

Hope this isn't old news. :(

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Originally Posted by RacingTurtle

Apple doesnt want Flash as its very CPU intensive - think about how that would tax the processor and absolutely kill your battery life.

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Actually, not so much.

Apple doesn't want Flash because it suddenly creates competition for the Apple Store. Flash = Free Games. This is sacrilegious to Apple and they will stop at nothing to try and force all gaming and application experience to go through the Apple Store where they proceed to reap billions of dollars off of everyone else' products and intellectual property.

I'm not the biggest Adobe Advocate, but I sure as hell don't like Apples' approach to Business. Apple is anti competition.

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Originally Posted by Ket

I don't like flash, but right now I can't see HTML5 being anything more than a poor mans flash. (did that last bit sound dirty? :D )

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Given the fact that you can watch youtube without flash and with html5, just seems to be a sign that perhaps the industry is starting to move away from flash.
http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2...supported.html
and once the industry finally embraces Ogg Theora

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Originally Posted by nn_step

Given the fact that you can watch youtube without flash and with html5, just seems to be a sign that perhaps the industry is starting to move away from flash.
http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2...supported.html

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Video streaming is not the only thing flash can do. perhaps a flash is the only way to create a good looking interactive pages.

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Originally Posted by lowfat

No Apple doesn't want flash on the iPhone.

This isn't going to be a big deal really. The iPhone has survived two years w/o this flash-to-app tool and has hundreds of thousands of apps already available.

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without android. being the key thing.. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by kl0012

Video streaming is not the only thing flash can do. perhaps a flash is the only way to create a good looking interactive pages.

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lets see what else cool can one do with HTML5.. how about this
http://bocoup.com/core/code/firefox-...io-f1lt3r.html


or perhaps you mean something more like these
http://html5demos.com/

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Originally Posted by nn_step

lets see what else cool can one do with HTML5.. how about this
http://bocoup.com/core/code/firefox-...io-f1lt3r.html


or perhaps you mean something more like these
http://html5demos.com/

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I mean sites like dreamworks, HBO, Nike e.t.c.

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Originally Posted by kl0012

I mean sites like dreamworks, HBO, Nike e.t.c.

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there is absolutely nothing in HTML5 that would prevent such sites from utilizing it.

however there may be something lacking in HTML5 that might be; a standard codec for the <video> tag. [I believe OGG is the only reasonable solution]

[QUOTE=nn_step;4356357]lets see what else cool can one do with HTML5.. how about this
http://bocoup.com/core/code/firefox-...io-f1lt3r.html

do you know the title of that song? i likes it

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Originally Posted by NKrader

without android. being the key thing.. :shrug:

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+1, and no alternative competition to run it either. Now android will be able to, and with the new slate of phones coming ie (dual a9's) they will breeze through it, and I m sure adobe putting their resources into it, can make it run lighter on a mobile platform.

I think the bigger picture here is tablets... People EXPECT a full experience on those, 3-4in screen, not so much, will be nice, but android based tablets, are going to destroy the ipad even more so, not to mention televisions etc with android embedded. This is more for future, than for present. And i dont believe it has anything to do with power usage, Apple wants to control their little biodome of a ecosystem, and flash would provide unmoderated content.

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Originally Posted by Russian

Why do you think that was the case? you don't think they didn't want flash on the iphone? :rolleyes:

Adobe basically built Apple a lot of the market that they have today with support for programs like Illustrator and Photoshop. Now that Apple has decided to give them the finger, i feel Adobe has the strength to do the same.

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Main reason I got ride of my iPhone.

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Originally Posted by FlawleZ

Actually, not so much.

Apple doesn't want Flash because it suddenly creates competition for the Apple Store. Flash = Free Games. This is sacrilegious to Apple and they will stop at nothing to try and force all gaming and application experience to go through the Apple Store where they proceed to reap billions of dollars off of everyone else' products and intellectual property.

I'm not the biggest Adobe Advocate, but I sure as hell don't like Apples' approach to Business. Apple is anti competition.

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You realize that there are free apps/games out there, correct? So obviously this isn't the whole story.

The fact that a very large software player is throwing their weight behind Android is significant. To me, this is demonstrative of the growing momentum for Android. The Apple App Store may be larger at this moment, but they've had two years head start. The fact that Google has kept Android open and available to all carriers and allowing them a cut of app revenues will prove to be a huge boost to Android. Widespread and rapid adoption of Android is a very serious threat to Apple. The greater the presence that Android has in the market means the greater the number of developers that'll devote serious time and resources to developing for it. The ease of developing for Android will serve as fuel on the fire, so to speak. The Android Market is going to grow very rapidly as more and more developers become disillusioned with Apple and their insistence on total rigid control of both hardware and software and become drawn to Android. The main things that Google has to ensure at this point in Android, is security, stability, and an enjoyable and flawless user experience (to compete with Apple's UI). Doing this will encourage consumers (especially those with iPhones on expiring contracts) to adopt Android devices. Failing to do this will encourage those folks to return to Apple and will slow Android's growth and penetration into the market. If consumers are given a similarly pleasing experience with Android, they'll begin to adopt it, especially at the more attractive price point that comes with abolishing the "Apple Tax". Devices with Android must be smooth, function well with each other and be very stable.

Many worship Steve Jobs for his success with the iPhone and Apple loyalists treat him almost as a deity. I find it difficult to laud someone who has enjoyed limited competition for some time in the smartphone arena. Apple's hardware is inferior, yet they are able to continually sell it at a premium, because people perceive it of being higher quality due to the smooth integration between Apple's devices and their simple, user friendly UI. With the new Android devices emerging constantly, Steve has good reason to feel a chill of apprehension. The recent lawsuits against HTC are a prime example of this fear. I feel strongly that many of Job's authoritarian decisions and attitudes will come back to haunt him and soon. If Google is able to execute well on the necessities of security, stability and polished UI in Android and devices that run it, I'd not want to be Job's ego over the next decade.;)

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Originally Posted by lutjens

The fact that a very large software player is throwing their weight behind Android is significant. To me, this is demonstrative of the growing momentum for Android. The Apple App Store may be larger at this moment, but they've had two years head start. The fact that Google has kept Android open and available to all carriers and allowing them a cut of app revenues will prove to be a huge boost to Android. Widespread and rapid adoption of Android is a very serious threat to Apple. The greater the presence that Android has in the market means the greater the number of developers that'll devote serious time and resources to developing for it. The ease of developing for Android will serve as fuel on the fire, so to speak. The Android Market is going to grow very rapidly as more and more developers become disillusioned with Apple and their insistence on total rigid control of both hardware and software and become drawn to Android. The main things that Google has to ensure at this point in Android, is security, stability, and an enjoyable and flawless user experience (to compete with Apple's UI). Doing this will encourage consumers (especially those with iPhones on expiring contracts) to adopt Android devices. Failing to do this will encourage those folks to return to Apple and will slow Android's growth and penetration into the market. If consumers are given a similarly pleasing experience with Android, they'll begin to adopt it, especially at the more attractive price point that comes with abolishing the "Apple Tax". Devices with Android must be smooth, function well with each other and be very stable.

Many worship Steve Jobs for his success with the iPhone and Apple loyalists treat him almost as a deity. I find it difficult to laud someone who has enjoyed limited competition for some time in the smartphone arena. Apple's hardware is inferior, yet they are able to continually sell it at a premium, because people perceive it of being higher quality due to the smooth integration between Apple's devices and their simple, user friendly UI. With the new Android devices emerging constantly, Steve has good reason to feel a chill of apprehension. The recent lawsuits against HTC are a prime example of this fear. I feel strongly that many of Job's authoritarian decisions and attitudes will come back to haunt him and soon. If Google is able to execute well on the necessities of security, stability and polished UI in Android and devices that run it, I'd not want to be Job's ego over the next decade.;)

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:clap: QFT.

//Andreas

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Originally Posted by lutjens

The fact that a very large software player is throwing their weight behind Android is significant. To me, this is demonstrative of the growing momentum for Android. The Apple App Store may be larger at this moment, but they've had two years head start. The fact that Google has kept Android open and available to all carriers and allowing them a cut of app revenues will prove to be a huge boost to Android. Widespread and rapid adoption of Android is a very serious threat to Apple. The greater the presence that Android has in the market means the greater the number of developers that'll devote serious time and resources to developing for it. The ease of developing for Android will serve as fuel on the fire, so to speak. The Android Market is going to grow very rapidly as more and more developers become disillusioned with Apple and their insistence on total rigid control of both hardware and software and become drawn to Android. The main things that Google has to ensure at this point in Android, is security, stability, and an enjoyable and flawless user experience (to compete with Apple's UI). Doing this will encourage consumers (especially those with iPhones on expiring contracts) to adopt Android devices. Failing to do this will encourage those folks to return to Apple and will slow Android's growth and penetration into the market. If consumers are given a similarly pleasing experience with Android, they'll begin to adopt it, especially at the more attractive price point that comes with abolishing the "Apple Tax". Devices with Android must be smooth, function well with each other and be very stable.

Many worship Steve Jobs for his success with the iPhone and Apple loyalists treat him almost as a deity. I find it difficult to laud someone who has enjoyed limited competition for some time in the smartphone arena. Apple's hardware is inferior, yet they are able to continually sell it at a premium, because people perceive it of being higher quality due to the smooth integration between Apple's devices and their simple, user friendly UI. With the new Android devices emerging constantly, Steve has good reason to feel a chill of apprehension. The recent lawsuits against HTC are a prime example of this fear. I feel strongly that many of Job's authoritarian decisions and attitudes will come back to haunt him and soon. If Google is able to execute well on the necessities of security, stability and polished UI in Android and devices that run it, I'd not want to be Job's ego over the next decade.;)

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win.
/closethread

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Originally Posted by lutjens

The fact that a very large software player is throwing their weight behind Android is significant. To me, this is demonstrative of the growing momentum for Android. The Apple App Store may be larger at this moment, but they've had two years head start. The fact that Google has kept Android open and available to all carriers and allowing them a cut of app revenues will prove to be a huge boost to Android. Widespread and rapid adoption of Android is a very serious threat to Apple. The greater the presence that Android has in the market means the greater the number of developers that'll devote serious time and resources to developing for it. The ease of developing for Android will serve as fuel on the fire, so to speak. The Android Market is going to grow very rapidly as more and more developers become disillusioned with Apple and their insistence on total rigid control of both hardware and software and become drawn to Android. The main things that Google has to ensure at this point in Android, is security, stability, and an enjoyable and flawless user experience (to compete with Apple's UI). Doing this will encourage consumers (especially those with iPhones on expiring contracts) to adopt Android devices. Failing to do this will encourage those folks to return to Apple and will slow Android's growth and penetration into the market. If consumers are given a similarly pleasing experience with Android, they'll begin to adopt it, especially at the more attractive price point that comes with abolishing the "Apple Tax". Devices with Android must be smooth, function well with each other and be very stable.

Many worship Steve Jobs for his success with the iPhone and Apple loyalists treat him almost as a deity. I find it difficult to laud someone who has enjoyed limited competition for some time in the smartphone arena. Apple's hardware is inferior, yet they are able to continually sell it at a premium, because people perceive it of being higher quality due to the smooth integration between Apple's devices and their simple, user friendly UI. With the new Android devices emerging constantly, Steve has good reason to feel a chill of apprehension. The recent lawsuits against HTC are a prime example of this fear. I feel strongly that many of Job's authoritarian decisions and attitudes will come back to haunt him and soon. If Google is able to execute well on the necessities of security, stability and polished UI in Android and devices that run it, I'd not want to be Job's ego over the next decade.;)

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+1 and kudos for a nice analysis. :clap:

Do droid phones get prgressively slower like iPhones? My 3g has some serious lag anymore. Not like I download tons of apps either. I have 3 pages of apps on my phone and they have really not changed in the last 6 months. I am in the switching to droid when my contract is up, camp.

As others have hinted, I think it would be awesome for adobe to pull Photoshop/illustrator/etc from mac. What alternative is there for mac users? If their work depends on those programs they will have to switch to PC. Now mac would not even have its fall back (apple is for artists) catch phrase to rely on. Would be very funny to watch.

While i agree html5 is should be adopted for video, i like Flash for animations, games, interactive elements etc. I'd usually just jump on the open platform and shun the proprietary stuff, but i personally like the the Flash ecosystem for those things. Find it a lot faster, more effective to just pop open Flash CS3 and creative with the tools and actionscript. Can't imagine html5 would be a joy to use for that stuff.

Then again, I'm not a web developer so my opinion is worthless :D

I agree with the what others have said, Apple doesn't want Flash because it'll eat into App Store sales, not because it's inefficient. I don't believe Adobe would just do a crappy port of Flash to the iPhone, they'd go all out to make sure it runs perfect on the iFad devices.

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Originally Posted by lutjens

The fact that a very large software player is throwing their weight behind Android is significant. To me, this is demonstrative of the growing momentum for Android. The Apple App Store may be larger at this moment, but they've had two years head start. The fact that Google has kept Android open and available to all carriers and allowing them a cut of app revenues will prove to be a huge boost to Android. Widespread and rapid adoption of Android is a very serious threat to Apple. The greater the presence that Android has in the market means the greater the number of developers that'll devote serious time and resources to developing for it. The ease of developing for Android will serve as fuel on the fire, so to speak. The Android Market is going to grow very rapidly as more and more developers become disillusioned with Apple and their insistence on total rigid control of both hardware and software and become drawn to Android. The main things that Google has to ensure at this point in Android, is security, stability, and an enjoyable and flawless user experience (to compete with Apple's UI). Doing this will encourage consumers (especially those with iPhones on expiring contracts) to adopt Android devices. Failing to do this will encourage those folks to return to Apple and will slow Android's growth and penetration into the market. If consumers are given a similarly pleasing experience with Android, they'll begin to adopt it, especially at the more attractive price point that comes with abolishing the "Apple Tax". Devices with Android must be smooth, function well with each other and be very stable.

Many worship Steve Jobs for his success with the iPhone and Apple loyalists treat him almost as a deity. I find it difficult to laud someone who has enjoyed limited competition for some time in the smartphone arena. Apple's hardware is inferior, yet they are able to continually sell it at a premium, because people perceive it of being higher quality due to the smooth integration between Apple's devices and their simple, user friendly UI. With the new Android devices emerging constantly, Steve has good reason to feel a chill of apprehension. The recent lawsuits against HTC are a prime example of this fear. I feel strongly that many of Job's authoritarian decisions and attitudes will come back to haunt him and soon. If Google is able to execute well on the necessities of security, stability and polished UI in Android and devices that run it, I'd not want to be Job's ego over the next decade.;)

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Excuse me, but... OH HELL YES.

:up:

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Originally Posted by FlawleZ

Actually, not so much.

Apple doesn't want Flash because it suddenly creates competition for the Apple Store. Flash = Free Games. This is sacrilegious to Apple and they will stop at nothing to try and force all gaming and application experience to go through the Apple Store where they proceed to reap billions of dollars off of everyone else' products and intellectual property.

I'm not the biggest Adobe Advocate, but I sure as hell don't like Apples' approach to Business. Apple is anti competition.

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Exactly, that's what I've been hearing. Since when does Apple care about the consumer? If they did, it wouldn't cost 3x as much to buy an ibook with the same internals as from say HP (not saying HP is good quality, but it doesn't warrant that much of a markup). For instance, I bought an HP entertainment laptop with a core 2 processor, 3 gigs ram, 17" screen, the works - comparable Apple laptop was $2200 at Best Buy.

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Originally Posted by nn_step

lets see what else cool can one do with HTML5.. how about this
http://bocoup.com/core/code/firefox-...io-f1lt3r.html

or perhaps you mean something more like these
http://html5demos.com/

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yeah but i dont see anything there that would be a reason to switch from flash to html5... its merely an alternative...

and im sure its ff and not html5, but this actually doesnt work for me... at all... http://html5demos.com/two-videos
i see no bar to forward or rewind the video, and they dont run synced at all lol...

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Originally Posted by nn_step

however there may be something lacking in HTML5 that might be; a standard codec for the <video> tag. [I believe OGG is the only reasonable solution]

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yes, but you know steve jobs wants to ram the apple codec down everyones throat... its so typical steve jobs, i mean for his whole life he has always been the master of double standards, criticizing others for one thing and then doing the exact same thing, usually taking it even to a higher level than the people he whined about lol...

and yes, i think apple doesnt want flash because it threatens their drm...
free games, free movies, free tv shows... even if drm WOULD work as well as on apples own code, it would get compromised much easier and faster than restricted apple code on locked apple hardware.

i think steven jobs and apple deserve a lot of credit for coming up with those nice platforms... and you cant really blame them for trying to keep them safe and control them, cause well... thats what companies do... if they wouldnt then itunes wouldnt be making 30% of what they are making now, content providers would support apple as much as they do now, wed have much cheaper hardware running a hacked iphone os... and apple would be making much much less money as they are doing now.

still, i think they are overdoing it, they are way too restrictive and abuse their power over the platforms way too much and ripp off their customers too much...

so i really hope android will be able to give us an iphone like interface and functionality for smartphones so we have some proper competition between hardware manufacturers building smartphones, which drives evolution and revolution of the whole industry to move faster...

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Originally Posted by lutjens

The fact that a very large software player is throwing their weight behind Android is significant. To me, this is demonstrative of the growing momentum for Android. The Apple App Store may be larger at this moment, but they've had two years head start. The fact that Google has kept Android open and available to all carriers and allowing them a cut of app revenues will prove to be a huge boost to Android. Widespread and rapid adoption of Android is a very serious threat to Apple. The greater the presence that Android has in the market means the greater the number of developers that'll devote serious time and resources to developing for it. The ease of developing for Android will serve as fuel on the fire, so to speak. The Android Market is going to grow very rapidly as more and more developers become disillusioned with Apple and their insistence on total rigid control of both hardware and software and become drawn to Android. The main things that Google has to ensure at this point in Android, is security, stability, and an enjoyable and flawless user experience (to compete with Apple's UI). Doing this will encourage consumers (especially those with iPhones on expiring contracts) to adopt Android devices. Failing to do this will encourage those folks to return to Apple and will slow Android's growth and penetration into the market. If consumers are given a similarly pleasing experience with Android, they'll begin to adopt it, especially at the more attractive price point that comes with abolishing the "Apple Tax". Devices with Android must be smooth, function well with each other and be very stable.

Many worship Steve Jobs for his success with the iPhone and Apple loyalists treat him almost as a deity. I find it difficult to laud someone who has enjoyed limited competition for some time in the smartphone arena. Apple's hardware is inferior, yet they are able to continually sell it at a premium, because people perceive it of being higher quality due to the smooth integration between Apple's devices and their simple, user friendly UI. With the new Android devices emerging constantly, Steve has good reason to feel a chill of apprehension. The recent lawsuits against HTC are a prime example of this fear. I feel strongly that many of Job's authoritarian decisions and attitudes will come back to haunt him and soon. If Google is able to execute well on the necessities of security, stability and polished UI in Android and devices that run it, I'd not want to be Job's ego over the next decade.;)

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No competition from the smarth phone arena ?

let me tell you something, apple is a small player in the smarth phone arena, you have NOKIA and RIM with really SMART phones....

The iphone is a success because it became trendy to have an apple product, if you have an apple ipod or iphone or imac or whatever you have status, not because their hardware is superior or their software, the usual apple costumer doesnt care about the HW, they only want to state they have an apple product.

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Originally Posted by [XC] leviathan18

No competition from the smarth phone arena ?

let me tell you something, apple is a small player in the smarth phone arena, you have NOKIA and RIM with really SMART phones....

The iphone is a success because it became trendy to have an apple product, if you have an apple ipod or iphone or imac or whatever you have status, not because their hardware is superior or their software, the usual apple costumer doesnt care about the HW, they only want to state they have an apple product.

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i know what you mean, but i think its software IS superior... for us maybe not, but for most people it is...
people always claimed macs were s much easier to use... i totally disagree with that... the learning curve is not that steep, but you just run into a wall most of the time at some point, while on the pc there are tons of settings and different tools and you can spend a lifetime on mastering a windows OS with all its software...

the iphone really IS notably more user friendly though... at least in my opinion... the strengths of the iphone, imo, are its stylish design and its user friendly interface.

user friendly interface doesnt make a smarth phone good, its features and content, what makes a smarth phone good.

i want productivity out of my phone, not fart apps