it's up&running.. fast POST, fast ide detection. Dunno, new memory settings.. does not affect performance.. i kinda like this new bios.
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it's up&running.. fast POST, fast ide detection. Dunno, new memory settings.. does not affect performance.. i kinda like this new bios.
Yeap, same here, I like it as well, hope it works well for OCing, haven't tried that.
PS. You hairy fat ugly guy :P
May i ask why are you running your vagp 1.8v??????
Isn't 1.5v default enough since these power 3d cards pump power from the psu molex connector?
because raising vagp also rise the nb voltage and aids for stability
So, if the Abit board will give him 100-150mhz more, then he'll have a 4 gig system with home made water blocks!
How about some pics of the blocks? And what sort of pump and rad are you making use of?
Thanks! !
Great set up! !:toast: :slobber: :toast:
The new bios work out great for me. Currently running at 288fsb 1.70v bios(1.65v usdm), memory at 5:4 2-2-2-5 @3.2v memory aggressive mode on max, max load temp are at 53C. While with the older bios I'm only prime stable at the speed in my sig.
Been priming with two instance of prime95 overnight and still going this morning when I check. Should be home about after midnight to double check on it, so far this new bios is great.
Later when I get home tonight, I'm going to try for higher. I'll post back with the result.
Who says ABIT will give him 100-150MHz more ?Quote:
Originally posted by Craig
So, if the Abit board will give him 100-150mhz mor
VAGP and VDD are NOT joined on this motherboard. It will aid stability too little and that's because it helps the AGP bridge to remain functioning.Quote:
Originally posted by dioSRL
because raising vagp also rise the nb voltage and aids for stability
If you want real results you need to do a VDD mod.
I for instance.Quote:
Who says ABIT will give him 100-150MHz more ?
The Epox 865/875 overclock 100-200MHz less that other motherboards at the exact same settings.
i think just an epox guy could bring some light to this matter :) but ofcourse they will never tell:banana: Until then, I luv my pca3+, even when she's running at stock speed.
I love this board also, where my previous IC7-G max II with the same setting and parts can only do 275fsb and memory at 5:4 2-3-3-7.Quote:
Originally posted by dioSRL
i think just an epox guy could bring some light to this matter :) but ofcourse they will never tell:banana: Until then, I luv my pca3+, even when she's running at stock speed.
The IC7 would hit at least 295 at the *exact* same settings.Quote:
Originally posted by OC_Newbee
I love this board also, where my previous IC7-G max II with the same setting and parts can only do 275fsb and memory at 5:4 2-3-3-7.
The IC7 doesn't have a Vdimm of 3.2v, does it? Blame your memory.
Not entirely true. For some people, in some circumstances maybe.Quote:
Originally posted by Grace
The Epox 865/875 overclock 100-200MHz less that other motherboards at the exact same settings.
With all the same parts (except the mobo) my MAX3 maxed out at 270 5:4 this Epox 4pc3a+ is stable up to 288, thats a full 288mhz faster at stable operating speeds. Of course that is mainly due to the MAX3 and its issues at 5:4, but its not always faster.
Both mobo's can hit 300 at 3:2
That's 216mhz, not 288....Quote:
Originally posted by retrospooty
Not entirely true. For some people, in some circumstances maybe.
With all the same parts (except the mobo) my MAX3 maxed out at 270 5:4 this Epox 4pc3a+ is stable up to 288, thats a full 288mhz faster at stable operating speeds. Of course that is mainly due to the MAX3 and its issues at 5:4, but its not always faster.
Both mobo's can hit 300 at 3:2
;)
Quote:
Originally posted by retrospooty
Not entirely true. For some people, in some circumstances maybe.
With all the same parts (except the mobo) my MAX3 maxed out at 270 5:4 this Epox 4pc3a+ is stable up to 288, thats a full 288mhz faster at stable operating speeds. Of course that is mainly due to the MAX3 and its issues at 5:4, but its not always faster.
Both mobo's can hit 300 at 3:2
Always entirely true, tested tens of Epox motherboards myself and people familiar to me. Always the Epox overclocked 100-200MHz less than the rest I ever got it against.
Your MAX3 maxed out due to problems with the divider that is known to have. That is a design fault, not something you can do anything about and it is unfair to compare like that. Throw the Asus P4C800 in which doesn't have divider problems, if you want to go with the 5:4 divider. I'm not talking that the MOTHERBOARD will go 5MHz higher on FSB but the CPU will go 100-200MHz faster. If both motherboards can hit 300 with the 3:2 divider, you can't compare using that CPU since it will max both motherboards already. If they could work over 300FSB stable the Abit would gain 5-10MHz more. When I say that they will go 100-200MHz faster, when a CPU and only a CPU is maxed out at 3500MHz, at another motherboard it will go to 3600-3700MHz at the same settings, given that the rest of components can follow also!
On my previous IC7-G, Even if I set my ratio to 3:2 on the memory, I still wouldn't get past 275fsb. And all my part I have right now is the same exact part I have in the IC7-G.Quote:
Originally posted by Grace
The IC7 would hit at least 295 at the *exact* same settings.
The IC7 doesn't have a Vdimm of 3.2v, does it? Blame your memory.
I'm not talking about all IC7-G, I'm just talking about the previous one that I have.
My whole system is overclocked except for the vagp so should i increase it to like 1.6v to make sure everything is 100% stable???Quote:
Originally posted by Grace
VAGP and VDD are NOT joined on this motherboard. It will aid stability too little and that's because it helps the AGP bridge to remain functioning.
If you want real results you need to do a VDD mod.
I for instance.
The Epox 865/875 overclock 100-200MHz less that other motherboards at the exact same settings.
Also can rasing the vagp mess up the 9800 pro????
If it is stable, why mess with it?Quote:
Originally posted by Dr.Demonic69
My whole system is overclocked except for the vagp so should i increase it to like 1.6v to make sure everything is 100% stable???
Also can rasing the vagp mess up the 9800 pro????
1.6Vagp shouldn't be dangerous for the 9800Pro, just don't overdo it.
You did disable the last 2 settings in the 'game accelerator', right?Quote:
On my previous IC7-G, Even if I set my ratio to 3:2 on the memory, I still wouldn't get past 275fsb. And all my part I have right now is the same exact part I have in the IC7-G.
I'm not talking about all IC7-G, I'm just talking about the previous one that I have.
If you did, your motherboard had another problem. Hitting a hard wall at 275 with it is not normal.
Quote:
Originally posted by Grace
Always entirely true, tested tens of Epox motherboards myself and people familiar to me. Always the Epox overclocked 100-200MHz less than the rest I ever got it against.
Your MAX3 maxed out due to problems with the divider that is known to have. That is a design fault, not something you can do anything about and it is unfair to compare like that. Throw the Asus P4C800 in which doesn't have divider problems, if you want to go with the 5:4 divider. I'm not talking that the MOTHERBOARD will go 5MHz higher on FSB but the CPU will go 100-200MHz faster. If both motherboards can hit 300 with the 3:2 divider, you can't compare using that CPU since it will max both motherboards already. If they could work over 300FSB stable the Abit would gain 5-10MHz more. When I say that they will go 100-200MHz faster, when a CPU and only a CPU is maxed out at 3500MHz, at another motherboard it will go to 3600-3700MHz at the same settings, given that the rest of components can follow also!
Was this testing done on 4pca3+ version 1, 1.2, 2.0 or 2.2 ?
Anyhow as I said Not entirely true. For some people, in some circumstances , maybe even most of the time, but not in all cases.
On plenty of all revisions.Quote:
Originally posted by retrospooty
Was this testing done on 4pca3+ version 1, 1.2, 2.0 or 2.2 ?
Anyhow as I said Not entirely true. For some people, in some circumstances , maybe even most of the time, but not in all cases.
And it is in all cases. The motherboard will limit the CPU top speed by 100-200MHz due to design. Epox skipped some improvements to make the motherboard more reliable, successfully. When it can reach a certain speed, any other board will overclock higher given that the board itself and the rest of the components can follow.
You want to test it? Get a 3.2C, a prometeia, every revision of every motherboard and see any Epox 865/875 fall back 200MHz behind.
Edit : Brands like QDI, Asrock and the like don't count. :p:
If I need to get a 3.2ghz and Prommie to test your theory then it already proves mine... Not in ALL cases .... Make sense ? :D
I have tested my CPU on a 4PC3a+ IC7, IC7-G and a IC7MAX3 and in all 4 I can reach 3600mhz, and no more, that is my CPU's limit with water cooling, its the same with the Epox and the Abit's.
Now for me, with my BH-5 XMS 3500, running at 5:4 2-2-2-5 is the fastest overall performance. Given that fact my maximun stable 24/7 operating speeds are...
IC7 maxed out at 275mhz
IG7-G ............... 280mhz
MAX3 ............... 270mhz
4PC3A+ .............. 288mhz
Well, I gotta go do the family thing...
Merry Christmas :toast:
Quote:
Originally posted by retrospooty
If I need to get a 3.2ghz and Prommie to test your theory then it already proves mine... Not in ALL cases .... Make sense ? :D
Merry Christmas :toast:
Not any real sense at all.
If you count cases that the clock generator of the motherboard isn't to blame then it isn't the motherboards fault, so it is not even a case, it's merely a coincidence. The 3.2C cooled by a prometeia negates exactly that aspect. No hindering by the dividers or high FSB, only the CPU going to the top limit. You used 3 Abit boards with known 5:4 divider problems, hence they stopped not because of the motherboard being unable to push the CPU more but because the Abit motherboards gave up.
Edit : And actually the prometeia was a very bad example. Even the stock cooler, it won't matter, it will still point out the difference of the top speed. Under the exact same circuimstances, it does lose to the rest.
When the motherboards CAN get the CPU to run to the edge and aren't hindered by other factors, the Epox will lose by 100-200MHz, always. With an Asus P4C800 since you wanted to use the 5:4 divider, you would probably work fine up to 300FSB at the same settings. If you get to count cases that will include everything inside, they will be thousands of theories where one motherboard can be better than another. Even the worst of motherboards can be better than the rest in some such theoretical cases. Now if your Abit motherboards at 3:2 and high timings go as far as your Epox again at 3:2 and high timings, either you have a VERY special Epox or something else were wrong.
I recently switched from an Epox 4PCA2+ to an Asus P4C800-E. Running a 2.8C @ 1.8v exactly using the 5:4 divider, I had a top of 284FSB with the Epox and about 300FSB with the Asus, while I'm still going to work on it a little more when I get my watercooling setup running again after the Christmas. That's more than 200MHz difference, especially when comparing the Asus that under load the voltage drops severely.
Merry Christmas, have fun. :toast:
I’m not sure about this new bios settings but especially if you enable CPU parking the CPU really parks.
And another think. When MAX3 arrives I will have the opportunity to compare the two boards. But just for history with my previous CPU that was a 2.6c L321B134 on MAX3 was prime stable 295fsb and with EPOX 284fsb, always using memory 1:1.
So I hope that with MAX3 I will be able to hit 4Ghz.
I’m not saying that EPOX Is a bad board but it seams that it has a top limit.
:)
You should, given that we two have about the same cooling and I have a good M0 2.8C too...Yours looks like a nice piece as well. But mine is just...better.:DQuote:
Originally posted by aristidis
I’m not sure about this new bios settings but especially if you enable CPU parking the CPU really parks.
And another think. When MAX3 arrives I will have the opportunity to compare the two boards.
So I hope that with MAX3 I will be able to hit 4Ghz.
If you can keep the water temperature around 20c, it should go to 4.1GHz with a very decent amount of voltage, not for 24/7 use though!
Have fun and Merry Christmas.:toast:
:D I can borrow yours.....................Any way Merry Christmas.Quote:
You should, given that we two have about the same cooling and I have a good M0 2.8C too...Yours looks like a nice piece as well. But mine is just...better.
And that is the best i can do prime stable with that board.
And a small update, after fixing a small problem with my watercooling system a was able to catch 280fsb and a max post at 4 ghz and it seams that the chip day byday became better:D