2009 AMD analysts day [official thread]

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Originally Posted by terrace215

Per Anand, all the Llano APU ("fusion") stuff in 2011 has Phenom II-based CPU cores.

So, while they will likely have a stronger GPU side, the CPU side will be about 2 generations behind Intel's Sandybridge/Ivybridge.

Bulldozer is high-end desktop and server only (at least in 2011).

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No,Brazos platform will have APUs too,and Brazos is bobcat core which in turn is one module from Bulldozer.Bobcat is a 2 CPU core product for ultrathin market,with Atom like power capabilities(they stated super low power, sub 1W cores) and 90% of mainstream CPU of today (in terms of IPC/overall perf.).
I have no idea how Bobcat based APU will fare against SandyB. but it will have the same x86 ISA capability(AVX 256b) so AMD can opt to make a 4 core option and target some other (mobile) market with it.

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

I find this slide about 32nm tech interesting:

50% better than 45nm! That's awesome considering how good is 45nm tech especially with the latest upgrades that gave us "C3" Phenom II

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I think that is 50% scaling improvements in performance per watt expected over 45nm.


PS.: Anand is ridiculous and pathetic...

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

pfff Anand! Wouldn't be surprised if you were Anand my dear terrace215 fellow ;)

Anand just has that unexplainable urge to place Intel in any AMD related article, and if possible at the top:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3673

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9...20102011ro.jpg

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That is the very first thing I noticed as well, it stuck out like a sore thumb! I glanced at the first page, then jumped straight to the conclusion. And as suspected, it read very much like that intel ad did.

Anand is probably not the best source for unbiased AMD related content. ATi, sure, they love 'em. After all intel has said a few times in the past that nv worried them the most. That might have been a bad decision! :D

Sorry for cross thread postings,but we have 3 or 4 threads covering same topic :):
As Charlie reports,bulldozer has taped out(?):

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Bulldozer has taped out, the earth has moved
More analyst day dirt dug up
by Charlie Demerjian

November 11, 2009

THREE VERY INTERESTING tidbits snuck out in the Q&A session at the AMD analyst day today. It seems that Fusion and the new cores have taped out and are at the fabs.

The new cores were said to begin sampling to OEMs in 2010. When pressed on the timing of tapeouts, one AMD spokesperson said that the fabs were 'running product now'. That means the chips have taped out and the fun is about to begin.

Next up was the process the Fusion cores will be on. The first of them will be made on a silicon-on-insulator (SOI) process, something that makes a lot of sense. It is much easier to port a GPU from bulk silicon to SOI than to do things the other way around. The answer did not preclude bulk silicon variants of Fusion in the future, but since the first generation cores are not made on it, I would not expect that to happen for a while.

The last bit was confirmation of what we have know, or at least have strongly suspected for a while, that the first generation of Fusion products will be a 'stars' core. The optimistic view of this is that AMD is reusing the old K10 variant for time to market reasons. Basically the uncore was done first, and since it is modular, why not use it?

If you are pessimistic, you could see this as the Bulldozer and Bobcat cores being massively late. Given that they were on the roadmap for 45nm and delayed about 2 years ago to 32nm, this has a ring of truth to it. Because it was a planned move, and one that rationalizes a likely untenable earlier schedule, I don't think this is a delay, or even a bad thing. The 'delay' probably avoided another "Barcelona".

In the end, it looks like AMD is on track. 2010 will likely be full of pain, but you can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel. The first of the new parts have taped out, so it is only a matter of time before details start leaking. Then we will know if the grand plan is working, at least on a technical level.S|A

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Informal, that statement came from the prodding they got on the fact the Global Foundries chart stated 32nm manufacturing in Q3/4 2010, which they responded by clarifying it refers to mass production, while their development usage is currently offered.

As I've said before, they did their best to dodge the tapeout question... they did quickly blurt out that they've got silicon back... but nothing about which product(s) it may be for.

Yeah,it could be Llano for all we know.The thing is something other than simple test wafers has come out from GloFo.

If anyone doesnt know what a certain codename means, heres the anwser!

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“Adelaide”
Market: Server
What is it? Ultra low-power server platform for the 1P and 2P markets. “Adelaide” will feature a C32 socket and the low power AMD SR5650 chipset. “Adelaide” will support the 45nm AMD Opteron™ 4100 Series processor (“Lisbon”) and the 32nm AMD Opteron™ 4200 Series processor (“Valencia”).
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“AMD Velocity”
Market: Multiple devices
What is it? Represents a shift in the company’s design methodology and product introduction cadence. In bringing about the Accelerated Processing Unit era of computing, visual computing technologies will increasingly drive the AMD pace of innovation. The AMD Fusion™ Design Methodology will build on AMD’s already established annual GPU design cycle to achieve a faster innovation pace than AMD previously achieved with a CPU-only development focus. AMD Velocity is designed to deliver performance breakthroughs via teraFLOPS-class GPU compute power in tandem with performance and low-power x86 core options. It is expected to result in clear, compelling platform differentiation for AMD, and the delivery of our best APU on the market every year.
Planned for introduction: Current guiding principle for AMD roadmaps

“Bobcat”
Market: Multiple devices, including notebooks like ultrathins and netbooks.
What is it? A very low-power x86 processor core first featured in the “Ontario” APU primarily aimed at notebook processing in ultrathin and netbook form factors. “Bobcat” is designed to be an extremely small, highly flexible, single threaded x86 core that easily can be scaled up and combined with other IP in SoC configurations.
Planned for introduction: 2011

“Brazos”
Market: Notebook
What is it? Ultrathin notebook and netbook platform and <20W “new market products” platform to include dual-core “Ontario” APU. It will feature DirectX 11-capable graphics..
Planned for introduction: 2011

“Broadway”
Market: Notebook Discrete Graphics
What is it? 40nm Mobility Radeon™ GPU for enthusiast notebooks, with GDDR5 and DirectX 11 graphics.
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“Budapest”
Market: Server
What is it? Quad-Core AMD Opteron™ processor with AM2 Socket for 1P server market.
Introduced: Q208

“Buenos Aires”
Market: Server
What is it? Socket AM3 server platform with SR56x0 chipset supporting the 45nm Quad-Core AMD Opteron™ processor for 1P markets (code-named “Suzuka”).
Introduced: Q209

“Bulldozer”
Market: Server and Client
What is it? A multi-threaded performance-oriented x86 processor core contained in the “Zambezi” processor for client PCs and “Interlagos” and “Valencia” processors for servers. Included in the “Scorpius” desktop PC platform and “Maranello,” “Adelaide,” and “San Marino” server platforms. “Bulldozer” will be a completely new, high performance architecture for the mainstream server, desktop and notebook PC markets that employs a new approach to multithreaded compute performance for achieving advanced efficiency and throughput. “Bulldozer” is designed to give AMD an exceptional CPU option for linking with GPUs in highly scalable, single-chip Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) configurations. “Bulldozer” offers AMD another exceptional CPU option for linking with GPUs in highly scalable, single chip APU configurations.
Planned for introduction: 2011

“Caspian”
Market: Notebook
What is it? A 45nm dual-core notebook processor included in the 2009 Mainstream notebook platform codenamed “Tigris”.
Introduced: 2H09

“Cedar”
Market: Discrete Graphics
What is it? Entry level desktop discrete DirectX 11-capable graphics card.
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“Champlain”
Market: Notebook
What is it? The first AMD quad-core notebook processor, intended for the “Danube” mainstream notebook platform. Includes 2M cache and DDR3 memory support.
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“Conesus”
Market: Notebook
What is it? A dual-core BGA socket notebook processor included in the 2nd generation ultrathin notebook platform.
Introduced: 2H09

“Cypress”
Market: Discrete Graphics
What is it? Enthusiast graphics card, with models branded as the ATI Radeon™ HD 5870 and ATI Radeon™ HD 5850.
Introduced: 2H09

“Danube”
Market: Notebook
What is it? Mainstream notebook platform with DirectX 10.1 IGP and DDR3 memory for high performance with optimum efficiency. Includes DirectX 11 discrete graphics options. This platform, which is designed to offer up to 7 hours of battery life under typical usage scenarios, will bring to market the “Champlain” processor, the first quad-core processors offered by AMD specifically for the notebook market.
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“Dorado”
Market: Desktop
What is it? Mainstream desktop platform that supports socket AM3 dual-core, triple-core and quad-core AMD Athlon™ II processors and includes the RS880P + SB810 chipset.
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“Geneva”
Market: Notebook
What is it? Dual-core 45 nm BGA socket processor with 2M cache and DDR3 memory support for the “Nile” ultrathin notebook platform.
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“Hemlock”
Market: Discrete Graphics
What is it? Targeting ultra high-end enthusiasts, this graphics card includes two “Cypress” GPUs and is expected to be the fastest graphics card in the world when it is introduced later this year.
Planned for introduction: 2H09

“Huron”
Market: Notebook
What is it? A single-core BGA socket notebook processor included in the 1st generation ultrathin notebook platform, formerly codenamed “Yukon”.
Introduced: 1H09

“Interlagos”
Market: Server
What is it? 12- or 16-core 32nm server processor for 2P and 4P markets, based on the new “Bulldozer” processor core. Will carry the AMD Opteron™ 6200 Series processor brand and be supported by the AMD Opteron™ 6000 Series (“Maranello”) platform.
Planned for introduction: 2011

“Istanbul”
Market: Server
What is it? The Six-Core AMD Opteron™ processor that pairs with current Socket F (1207) platforms, as well as recently introduced platforms based on the AMD 56x0 chipsets.
Introduced: 1H09

“Juniper”
Market: Discrete Graphics
What is it? ATI Radeon™ HD 5770 and ATI Radeon™ HD 5750 graphics cards, targeting the price/performance focused consumer.
Introduced: 2H09

“Leo”
Market: Enthusiast Desktop
What is it? Successor of current “Dragon” enthusiast desktop platform technology. “Leo” will feature “Thuban” six-core AM3 processors, new AMD RD890 performance chipsets, and next generation DirectX 11-capable discrete graphics cards from the ATI Radeon™ HD 5000 Family. Leo is expected to offer ultimate performance for immersive gaming with support for ATI Eyefinity technology.
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“Lisbon”
Market: Server
What is it? 4 or 6 core 45nm server processor servicing 1P and 2P markets. Will be branded as the AMD Opteron™ 4100 Series processor and supported by the AMD Opteron™ 4000 Series platform (“San Marino”) or the ultra low-power “Adelaide” platform.
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“Llano”
Market: Notebooks and Desktops
What is it? “Llano” is a 32nm processor, and AMD’s first APU (Accelerated Processing Unit). It is primarily intended for mainstream notebooks and desktops. “Llano” is engineered to deliver impressive visual computing experiences, outstanding performance with low power and long battery life.
Planned for introduction: 2011

“Lynx”
Market: Mainstream Desktop
What is it? Energy-efficient mainstream desktop platform based on “Llano” APUs with multiple processor cores and DDR3 memory, as well as DX11 graphics technology.
Planned for introduction: 2011

“Madison”
Market: Notebook Discrete Graphics
What is it? 40nm Mobility Radeon™ GPU for performance notebooks with GDDR5 and DirectX 11 graphics.
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“Magny-Cours”
Market: Server
What is it? 8 or 12-core 45nm server processor with HyperTransport 3.0 and 4 channels of DDR3 memory, for 2P and 4P markets. Will be branded as the AMD Opteron™ 6100 Series processor and be offered on the AMD Opteron™ 6000 Series platform (“Maranello”).
Planned for introduction: 1H10


“Maranello”
Market: Server
What is it? New AMD Opteron™ 6000 Series platform using a G34 socket with the AMD SR56x0 chipset. The platform is planned to offer DDR3 memory capability and support the 45nm AMD Opteron™ 6100 Series (“Magny-Cours”) and 32nm AMD Opteron™ 6200 Series (“Interlagos”) processors. “Maranello,” is designed to introduce unprecedented leaps in performance-per-watt for AMD Opteron™ processors
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“Nile”
Market: Notebook
What is it: “Nile” is AMD’s third-generation ultrathin notebook platform which features the 45nm dual-core “Geneva” processor using DDR3 memory technology and is designed to enable more than seven hours battery life under typical usage scenarios.
Planned for Introduction: 1H10

“Ontario”
Market: Primarily ultrathin notebooks and netbooks
What is it? Dual-core System on a Chip (SoC) implementation and APU of the upcoming “Bobcat” core for ultrathin notebooks, netbooks and <20W new market products. Ontario is designed to offer a performance PC experience in a low-power design.
Planned for introduction: 2011

“Park”
Market: Notebook Discrete Graphics
What is it? 40nm mainstream Mobility Radeon™ GPU with GDDR5 and DirectX 11 graphics.
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“Redwood”
Market: Discrete Graphics
What is it? Mainstream desktop discrete DirectX 11-capable graphics card.
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“Sabine”
Market: Notebook
What is it? Energy-efficient, mainstream notebook platform based on quad-core “Llano” APUs and supporting DirectX 11 graphics and DDR3 memory.
Planned for introduction: 2011

“San Marino”
Market: Server
What is it? New 1P and 2P server platform suited for large, dense deployments that require power efficiency and flexibility, as well as environments where cost is a key driver. Designed to be ideal for small/medium businesses, as well as web, cloud and infrastructure applications. Will be branded as the AMD Opteron™ 4000 Series platform and will support 4-core and 6-core 45nm AMD Opteron™ 4100 Series processor (“Lisbon”) and the planned 32nm AMD Opteron™ 4200 Series processor (“Valencia”) using the C32 socket and the AMD SR56x0 chipset.
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“Scorpius”
Market: Desktop
What is it? Enthusiast desktop platform based on the “Zambezi” processor (“Bulldozer” x86 core based) with 4-8 cores, DDR3 memory, AM3 socket and next-generation AMD discrete graphics technology.
Planned for introduction: 2011

“Suzuka”
Market: Server
What is it? 45nm Quad-Core AMD Opteron™ processor for 1P server market.
Introduced: 1H09

“Thuban”
Market: Desktop
What is it? New 45-nm socket AM3 enthusiast desktop processors with up to 6 cores for megatasking performance. Will appear within the “Leo” platform.
Planned for introduction: 1H10

“Valencia”
Market: Server
What is it? Six- or eight-core 32nm processor for 1P and 2P markets, based on the new “Bulldozer” processor core. Will be branded as the AMD Opteron™ 4200 Series processor and will be supported by the AMD Opteron™ 4000 Series platform (“San Marino”) or the ultra low-power “Adelaide” platform.
Planned for introduction: 2011

“Zambezi”
Market: Desktop
What is it: 4, 6, or 8-core 32-nm desktop socket AM3 socket processor based on the “Bulldozer” processor architecture for the enthusiast market.
Planned for introduction: 2011

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Originally Posted by Oliverda

I think that is 50% scaling improvements in performance per watt expected over 45nm.


PS.: Anand is ridiculous and pathetic...

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well guess what! Anand is running additional article, and this time without Intel PPT slides ;)

http://img2.pict.com/4f/cc/ef/196320...ldozer26bo.jpg

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Originally Posted by Anand

I spoke too soon. Earlier today I outlined AMD’s roadmap for 2010 - 2011. In 2011 AMD will introduce two next-generation microarchitectures: Bulldozer for the high end desktop and server space and Bobcat for the price/power efficient ultra mobile market. I originally said that AMD wasn’t revealing any more about its next-gen architectures, but AMD just proved me wrong as they unveiled the first block diagrams of both cores.

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@ w0mbat

this single post should be put as sticky in AMD room!

"“Bulldozer”
Market: Server and Client
What is it? A multi-threaded performance-oriented x86 processor core contained in the “Zambezi” processor for client PCs and “Interlagos” and “Valencia” processors for servers. Included in the “Scorpius” desktop PC platform and “Maranello,” “Adelaide,” and “San Marino” server platforms. “Bulldozer” will be a completely new, high performance architecture for the mainstream server, desktop and notebook PC markets that employs a new approach to multithreaded compute performance for achieving advanced efficiency and throughput. “Bulldozer” is designed to give AMD an exceptional CPU option for linking with GPUs in highly scalable, single-chip Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) configurations. “Bulldozer” offers AMD another exceptional CPU option for linking with GPUs in highly scalable, single chip APU configurations."

Heh,some things never change with Anand :). I'd say good for him for correcting himself,looks better now(but still can't get rid of that bad aftertaste left by the huge intel slide in the beginning of AMD Fusion article).

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

well guess what! Anand is running additional article, and this time without Intel PPT slides ;)

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He has the b*lls to correct himself.
That's good.

Whoaa... big things on the horizon! Can't wait to see what AMD bring out...

Bulldozer bulldozer bulldozer. Damn. Thought if I said it three times it would suddenly appear. We need Bulldozer so badly, 32nm Intel chips are going to wreck Phenom II and Athlon II =\

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5...tdayglobal.jpg

Look this guy has many legs!!:D

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Originally Posted by '[XC

We need Bulldozer so badly, 32nm Intel chips are going to wreck Phenom II and Athlon II =\

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you think that i3's two cores and two virtual threads can wreck AII X4 four real cores? Not to mention Pentium "G" two cores against AII X3...

Gulftown is tottaly different -a $1K league to Thuban... so I can't see wrecking there to...

[XBL] on Lliano's specs: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...rocessors.html

The Llano 32nm die shot reassures that the 32nm tape out actually happened already and that bulldozer's tape out (if it haven't happened by now) is close too :).

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Originally Posted by informal

The Llano 32nm die shot reassures that the 32nm tape out actually happened already and that bulldozer's tape out (if it haven't happened by now) is close too :).

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finally someone noticed! and it was in front of us all time on the first page, and first post ;)

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

finally someone noticed! and it was in front of us all time on the first page, and first post ;)

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Yeah,it was weird nobody commented on that fact :). Where is terrace now to tell us that Llano die shot is actually back from the future-a Q3 next year as he told us :p:. AMD seems to be also in time traveling business as of late :D.

This is a really good upgrade path for AM3+.

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Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler

Bulldozer bulldozer bulldozer. Damn. Thought if I said it three times it would suddenly appear. We need Bulldozer so badly, 32nm Intel chips are going to wreck Phenom II and Athlon II =\

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but srry, Clarkdale is for me sucks:down:...Only 2core+HTT. Not so high performance. And nothing without Gulftown new. Maybe in Q3 2010 next quadcore chips at 32nm and later SandyBridge. For next months is only Gulftown dangerous, Clarkdale performance is simillary as Athlon X4 or Intel Quad 8000 with lowers clocks

most of athlon II and III with Phenom 5XX 7XX will be out by Core i3.they can not defend own score.so we will wait for bulldozer "http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3674" at least Bulldozer must Crash Core i9.

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Originally Posted by informal

The Llano 32nm die shot reassures that the 32nm tape out actually happened already and that bulldozer's tape out (if it haven't happened by now) is close too :).

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:D Just wrote this out from the Q&A for my hardware site:

Journalist: Rick you mentioned that you will be sampling Bulldozer and Bobcat in 32nm, Fusion products in the first half of 2010. That would suggest that you either have taped out or is close to taping out all those products. Can you give us some sense off where you are in terms of the development on those cores?

Rick Bergman: We don't really give out inner milestones, but we, obviously you know how the semiconductor industry works. You know, June of 2010 is 7 months from now, it takes a few months to build these things so I don't think your comments are off-target at all we are, we're loading up the gun getting ready with our next wave of these fantastic products

Journalist: You mentioned, I think the roadmap for Global Foundries showed that you had, that they were doing 32nm in the second half of 2010. So how do you actually get those built in the first half?

Dirk Meyer: That was a production question.

Emilio Ghiraldi: That's manufacturing ramp, which is consistent with the...

Journalist: So they are doing the tape-outs now?

Rick Bergman: Oh yeah, absolutely and we have running material, we have material.

I think many of the AMD guys on stage were thinking "Will you just shut the :banana::banana::banana::banana: up already?" :D

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Omg !!!