Core i5 650 Reaches 4.70 GHz on Air-Cooling

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10-21-2009, 12:47 PM
kiwi

Why do you need quad if it has 4 threads that perform equally well?

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Originally Posted by zalbard

We have nearly 4.8 Ghz i7 920 stable already. On water, though.
But not bad I guess.

huh? Average 920 do 4-4.2 max with reasonable volts stable
10-21-2009, 12:58 PM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by kiwi

Why do you need quad if it has 4 threads that perform equally well?

this has better overclocking, with less power, but its only going to be used for the cheap chips, kinda sounds wrong.

i think with the quads you might start seeing limitations with the motherboard power
10-21-2009, 01:49 PM
Jamesrt2004

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Originally Posted by ArneMS

That sucks:down:

Does anyone know when 32nm CPUs are hitting the shelfes?

ill take a guess at feb~
10-21-2009, 01:55 PM
Monstru

AFAIK January. But you can never be sure what Intel is up to in the last moment, they allways surprise us in a good way :)
10-21-2009, 04:19 PM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by Monstru

:welcome:

Why make such allegations my friend? Why would I deceive readers like that? Simply showing Clarkdale is good enough. Why would I start some rumours that will be put down in 1-2 months if they are not true?

I'm not saying its a rumor or anything else. I am trying to put things into perspective before the thread gets out of hand with unrealistic expectations for Clarksdale.

And yes, the 32nm process looks very promising. :up:
10-21-2009, 04:22 PM
dinos22

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Originally Posted by Ozzfest05

I dont get it my E8500 did 4.8 on air stable?

show us?
10-21-2009, 04:29 PM
dinos22

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I'm not saying its a rumor or anything else. I am trying to put things into perspective before the thread gets out of hand with unrealistic expectations for Clarksdale.

And yes, the 32nm process looks very promising. :up:

you could have worded it better if that was your intention :rolleyes:
10-21-2009, 04:34 PM
dinos22

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Originally Posted by Monstru

Well I think more is possible on air too, at the moment I am fighting with 190 BCLK, so the frequency and the volts were not the actual limit in the screenshot, but the BCLK. So, who knows. :)

try subzero CPU
i am at 240 bus

but my chip doesnt like clocking high for some reason...i'm thinking it might be the bios donno
10-21-2009, 05:20 PM
stasio

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Originally Posted by dinos22

try subzero CPU
i am at 240 bus

but my chip doesnt like clocking high for some reason...i'm thinking it might be the bios donno

Which mobo and BIOS?:D
10-21-2009, 05:43 PM
dinos22

same as OP :D
10-21-2009, 05:54 PM
saaya

awesome! :toast:
4G at .8v sounds a lot more interesting than 4.7 on air... :D
who needs that much cpu power besides for benching anyhow, having 4g at only .8v sounds great! thats 50% less volts than my 920! :eek:

still dont get why intel would call this i5... this deserves i7 if not i8! :D
10-21-2009, 05:59 PM
Chumbucket843

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Originally Posted by saaya

awesome! :toast:
4G at .8v sounds a lot more interesting than 4.7 on air... :D
who needs that much cpu power besides for benching anyhow, having 4g at only .8v sounds great! thats 50% less volts than my 920! :eek:

still dont get why intel would call this i5... this deserves i7 if not i8! :D

perhaps for a new stepping or process refining. it might be like intels 65nm steppings. now that would be impressive. am i the only that is not impressed by 4.7GHz? back in the day doubling frequency was the norm for new processes. intel said the would be at 20GHz by the time they got to 45nm and now they are at 4.7. i miss frequency scaling.:confused:
10-21-2009, 08:51 PM
Monstru

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Originally Posted by dinos22

try subzero CPU
i am at 240 bus

but my chip doesnt like clocking high for some reason...i'm thinking it might be the bios donno

Hmm...your likes high BCLK but no high clocks, mine loves high clocks but not high BCLK. Pretty much sure it's the bios, it's to early for this :)

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

perhaps for a new stepping or process refining. it might be like intels 65nm steppings. now that would be impressive. am i the only that is not impressed by 4.7GHz? back in the day doubling frequency was the norm for new processes. intel said the would be at 20GHz by the time they got to 45nm and now they are at 4.7. i miss frequency scaling

Well, in terms of Netburst performance, this is 20GHz :)
10-21-2009, 09:16 PM
dinos22

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Originally Posted by Monstru

Hmm...your likes high BCLK but no high clocks, mine loves high clocks but not high BCLK. Pretty much sure it's the bios, it's to early for this :)

youngpro has the same chip as me and his is stuck at 190 bus air cooled as well
10-21-2009, 09:23 PM
Monstru

That's not cool, the chip could do more even on air. :(
10-21-2009, 09:33 PM
mindfury

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Originally Posted by kiwi

Why do you need quad if it has 4 threads that perform equally well?

No,Quad performs much better in most cases .....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...08269cb61e.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...kdale-GTA4.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...rkdale-RDG.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...rkdale-FC2.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...-Cinebench.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...e-PaintNET.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...-Truecrypt.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...kdale-x264.png
10-21-2009, 09:37 PM
Monstru

Ys, 2 cores / 4 threads is not exactly a quad-core, it is something between quad and dual, as performance. But that one tested above it's an i3 540. Normally those ones should not have HT.
10-21-2009, 11:52 PM
mindfury

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Originally Posted by Monstru

Ys, 2 cores / 4 threads is not exactly a quad-core, it is something between quad and dual, as performance. But that one tested above it's an i3 540. Normally those ones should not have HT.

i3 has HT,but no turbo.....
10-21-2009, 11:58 PM
Monstru

I see that from your graphs :)

If Intel will keep HT on i3 too, this will be veeeery interesting :)
10-22-2009, 12:18 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by kiwi

huh? Average 920 do 4-4.2 max with reasonable volts stable

One chip against one chip... :shrug: Not like they tested a hundred and all clocked that good. Not too impressive anyway in this case. I am expecting more from 32nm.
10-22-2009, 12:23 AM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by dinos22

show us?

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...vSP2M48GHZ.jpg

SP2M 4.8GHz 1.55v Vcore

metro.cl on XS

So, ya not that impressed but the volts are nice, i would like a i7 based on 32nm tough.
10-22-2009, 12:33 AM
dartaz

Did anyone notice that i3 540 at stock speed outperformed Phenom II X3 720 in the majority of cases, according to benchmarks posted by mindfury ? It looks like those i3 can compete very well against Triple core CPUs, and lower end Quad cores

Also, I wonder why they disabled Turbo mode in i5 750 and i7 860 ? It is unfair to compare a CPU to others when one of them have a feature disabled.
10-22-2009, 12:37 AM
Smartidiot89

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Originally Posted by Monstru

Ys, 2 cores / 4 threads is not exactly a quad-core, it is something between quad and dual, as performance. But that one tested above it's an i3 540. Normally those ones should not have HT.

Pentium will have 2 cores.
Core i3 will have 2 cores with HyperThreading
Core i5 will have 2 cores with HyperThreading and Turbo boost
10-22-2009, 03:44 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by dinos22

but my chip doesnt like clocking high for some reason...i'm thinking it might be the bios donno

or maybe its the socket ^^
snif snif... whats that smell? :smoke:

:lol:

hey! we need a new emoticon on xs, a cpu socket smoking or catching fire! :D

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

i miss frequency scaling.:confused:

well, i wouldnt mind if wed see a netburst to core ipc jump instead of a mhz jump all the time... but ipc boosts are very scarce and are only notable in some applications that make use of new indstructions... and there are almost no mhz boosts anymore, yeah... its all about more cores now... more and more cores... :/

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Originally Posted by mindfury

No,Quad performs much better in most cases .....

define MUCH better please :P 5fps?
better, yes, of course, MUCH better? not really...
take into account price/perf and that we will be able to push 32nm dualcore chips higher than 45nm quads and they are at least even, if not the 32nm dualcore chips beating 45nm quads...
10-22-2009, 03:49 AM
mindfury

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Originally Posted by saaya

define MUCH better please :P 5fps?
better, yes, of course, MUCH better? not really...
take into account price/perf and that we will be able to push 32nm dualcore chips higher than 45nm quads and they are at least even, if not the 32nm dualcore chips beating 45nm quads...

You need read graphs again...

Dont compare i5 750 at stock with i3 540@3.8g.....

i5 750 at stock is mush stronger than i3 540 at stock....

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