AMD Phenom II X4 965 - Revision C2 vs C3 comparison

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10-19-2009, 03:32 AM
gOJDO

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Originally Posted by Monstru

NDA? Is that the No Drugs Association? :)

It means New DumbAss :D
10-19-2009, 03:34 AM
Hell Hound

NEAR DEATH ALWAY'S :rofl::ROTF::D
10-19-2009, 04:20 AM
Monstru

I once knew a band called NWA, maybe there is a connection :D
10-19-2009, 04:50 AM
Sampsa

great, NDA violation once again..
10-19-2009, 04:51 AM
EnJoY

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Originally Posted by Sampsa

great, NDA violation once again..

Yea, awesome right? What's the point if no body takes it seriously... :(
10-19-2009, 04:55 AM
gOJDO

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Originally Posted by Sampsa

great, NDA violation once again..

If he has signed NDA then it is a violation. If not, then there is no violation!
10-19-2009, 05:03 AM
Monstru

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Originally Posted by Sampsa

great, NDA violation once again..

It is available in the stores, and the launch should have been on 19th. :shrug:
10-19-2009, 05:04 AM
matose

What NDA? It's already available in stores :D

http://www.provantage.com/amd-hdz965...x~9AAMD2AT.htm

http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/...!#Availability
10-19-2009, 05:09 AM
ridney

keep the results coming man! this is good news!
10-19-2009, 06:18 AM
Oliverda

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Originally Posted by Sampsa

great, NDA violation once again..

NDA for a stepping? :rolleyes:
10-19-2009, 06:30 AM
zowix

Great test :up:
10-19-2009, 06:33 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by matose

Hy guys,

I just finished a head-to-head comparison of the new Deneb C3 revision against the old one (C2). I compared overall system power draw, max. CPu frequency, max. memory frequency, max. NB frequency and efficiency at a fixed frequency in SuperPI 8M.

The new revision looks quite good: less power and more overclocking headroom ;).

You can check it here (Romanian language | Google Translate may be necessary)

best regards,
matose

very sweet! :toast:
so 10-15W less load power and 100+mhz higher cpu, nb and mem clocks, not bad for a rev change... but not as much as i expected tbh... 100-200mhz is only 3-6% for a 3400mhz cpu... the nehalem c0 to d0 change brought bigger boosts.

but as tesco says, every little helps ^^
10-19-2009, 06:50 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by saaya

very sweet! :toast:
so 10-15W less load power and 100+mhz higher cpu, nb and mem clocks, not bad for a rev change... but not as much as i expected tbh... 100-200mhz is only 3-6% for a 3400mhz cpu... the nehalem c0 to d0 change brought bigger boosts.

but as tesco says, every little helps ^^

This is not a revision change,it's a simple stepping change.
10-19-2009, 07:38 AM
FlanK3r

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Originally Posted by Oliverda

NDA for a stepping? :rolleyes:

u right :)...but mean, a few days we have it in shops
10-19-2009, 07:54 AM
Monstru

:clap::clap::clap:

Small world it is, the phones started ringing soon enough. What can we do, we are not mean guys :D
10-19-2009, 08:09 AM
haylui

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

How many processors were tested? Without a huge sample size, there is no way to know if "C3" indeed overclocks better or even has that much better power consumption. We all know that both of those factors can change from chip to chip even within the same revision. ESPECIALLY when the power consumption figure is well within the margin of error (2W).

in this case, he needs roughly a few thousands pieces to verify
anyway the statistic could not take as a reference as the piece you got from retail shop is pure luck
10-19-2009, 08:17 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by informal

This is not a revision change,it's a simple stepping change.

whats the difference actually?

and ndas and complaints... come on guys, whats the big deal?
did amd really put an nda on this? why? :confused:
whats next? ndas on new revisions of the stock heatsink? :p:
nda on a new hologram sticker? :lol:
10-19-2009, 08:21 AM
Lastviking

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Originally Posted by saaya

whats the difference actually?

and ndas and complaints... come on guys, whats the big deal?
did amd really put an nda on this? why? :confused:

Becuse it will break 8ghz ;)

Joke.
10-19-2009, 08:38 AM
Oliverda

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

u right :)...but mean, a few days we have it in shops

Stupid thing.:rolleyes:
10-19-2009, 08:41 AM
EnJoY

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

whats the difference actually?

and ndas and complaints... come on guys, whats the big deal?
did amd really put an nda on this? why? :confused:
whats next? ndas on new revisions of the stock heatsink? :p:
nda on a new hologram sticker? :lol:

All companies issue NDA's when previewing unreleased products to the press. In AMD's case this is a new SKU, so therefore it is significant enough to be protected under the NDA.
10-19-2009, 09:05 AM
haylui

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Originally Posted by saaya

whats the difference actually?

and ndas and complaints... come on guys, whats the big deal?
did amd really put an nda on this? why? :confused:
whats next? ndas on new revisions of the stock heatsink? :p:
nda on a new hologram sticker? :lol:

don't be ridiculous
stepping could mean something big sometimes...
10-19-2009, 09:43 AM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

whats the difference actually?

and ndas and complaints... come on guys, whats the big deal?
did amd really put an nda on this? why? :confused:
whats next? ndas on new revisions of the stock heatsink? :p:
nda on a new hologram sticker? :lol:

Stepping= minor fixes(errata mostly) while revision=more serious silicon changes(think adding virtualization and DDR2 support in the IMC with RevF,changing cores with Barcelona which got a "new" B letter in revision nomenclature,changing process node with Revision G and C,adding more cores with Revision D). Enough examples :)? Logically stepping change takes a lot less time than a revision change.

As for NDA on new C3 products,they probably wanted to wait for board manufacturers to produce new BIOS versions which would in turn support more advanced power management which comes with new C3 chips :).This new features will shave off a few more watts in idle mode,on top of what Monstru presented in his results. Load numbers won't change on the same system though(they are quite a bit better than with C2).
10-19-2009, 10:32 AM
Marco André

No NDA for this release as far as i know. I'll start testing tomorrow :up:
10-19-2009, 10:40 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by Marco André

No NDA for this release as far as i know. I'll start testing tomorrow :up:

Actually there is NDA in place,until 4th of November :).
10-19-2009, 10:43 AM
Smartidiot89

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Originally Posted by informal

Actually there is NDA in place,until 4th of November :).

But the C3 are already for sale at a few places hehe...

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