AMD is dead. Long live AMD The Survivor

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10-17-2009, 10:46 PM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by nlancaster

AMD will not fail.

I am not a fan boy. I currently have product from Nvidia, Intel, AMD, and ATI in my machines at home.

Intel cannot allow AMD to fail.

Just as Microsoft cannot allow Apple to fail.

If AMD looks to be going completly out of business Intel will step in and just give AMD money to stay in business.

Here is the senario (sp?) AMD closes. DOJ/FTC step in and break Intel into little pieces because they are a monoply now, being the only Desktop CPU manufacturer left.

Intel will not let that happen.

Long live AMD keep building new CPUs to push Intel to build new CPUs. Competition is good for every consumer on the planet.

Competition is good, but a government can let a business fail and go bankrupt because it is not the end all be all for the company. Look at the automakers. The government although helped them out, let them go bankrupt.

Letting a automaker go bankrupt has much worse repercussion than a CPU maker.

Not only are many, many more jobs lost, more money go into international economies since their are competing international automakers. Intel and AMD are both USA based companies so, even if Intel was only around, they would just split it up into multiple companies and be pumping money back into the US economy.

They could still let AMD go bankrupt and have them be restructured by a bankruptcy company which might do them some good in a way. Not saying I want them to go bankrupt, but I sense there is alot of fat in how AMD runs things. I still can't understand how their 48xx series sells so well and they come out with pathetic income. You can blame the economy, but we know the 4xxx series has sold well, they are getting money from wii sales, and xbox 360 sales, but where is all that money?

I think one more key for them to make money is lower infrastructure cost(e.g how did Hector Ruiz(AMD ceo) get paid more than Intel ceo) and reduce overhead which why being run by a bankruptcy company might do them good. I have a feeling that is why NV is able to make more money than them. Apple and NV has paid their ceo's badly when the company underperforms, this is something AMD should adopt.

I think AMD needs to change how it is run(not necessarily their product designs), especially when you look at their long-term finances. They can't make a few hundred million 1 year and then loses hundreds of millions to billions for the most part in other years. Its not a good long term business model obviously, and I think the company can use some remodeling which AMD can't do themselves, someone needs to step in, whether it is a genius finance wiz team or the government. A good product even something like the original athlon(which was just as big as core 2 duo back in the day) is enough to save AMD for the long term, they need to be run differently.
10-18-2009, 03:14 AM
Aerou

Altough this goes a little beyond me, when we here at XS start to bench Gulftown deep below -100°C (perhaps as low as LN2 can get us), aside from Intel itself, we may also thank AMD for that.
10-18-2009, 08:43 AM
flippin_waffles

Quote:

Originally Posted by nlancaster

AMD will not fail.

I am not a fan boy. I currently have product from Nvidia, Intel, AMD, and ATI in my machines at home.

Intel cannot allow AMD to fail.

Just as Microsoft cannot allow Apple to fail.

If AMD looks to be going completly out of business Intel will step in and just give AMD money to stay in business.

Here is the senario (sp?) AMD closes. DOJ/FTC step in and break Intel into little pieces because they are a monoply now, being the only Desktop CPU manufacturer left.

Intel will not let that happen.

Long live AMD keep building new CPUs to push Intel to build new CPUs. Competition is good for every consumer on the planet.

While that might theoretically be the case, your post makes it sound as if it IS the case, and that would simply be not true. The only thing the people at Intel are trying to do is hold AMD's head underwater as long as possible, and get absolutely NO credit for AMD's success. That is laughable at best. They've been charged under anti competition laws for crying out loud. lol Saying AMD owes any of it's success to Intel is a ludicrous assertion. AMD is a tough competitor, making top notch products, and that's why they'll survive, in the most difficult and scrutinized industry there is.

I don't think anyone buys the sort of reasoning that says Intel is responsible for AMD surviving as a company. Save for a few with questionable motives...
10-20-2009, 03:44 PM
nlancaster

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

While that might theoretically be the case, your post makes it sound as if it IS the case, and that would simply be not true. The only thing the people at Intel are trying to do is hold AMD's head underwater as long as possible, and get absolutely NO credit for AMD's success. That is laughable at best. They've been charged under anti competition laws for crying out loud. lol Saying AMD owes any of it's success to Intel is a ludicrous assertion. AMD is a tough competitor, making top notch products, and that's why they'll survive, in the most difficult and scrutinized industry there is.

I don't think anyone buys the sort of reasoning that says Intel is responsible for AMD surviving as a company. Save for a few with questionable motives...

I think you misunderstood my post, or I was not completly clear. I did not mean to say that intel has saved, but would probably do it sometime in the future if AMD looks to be going completly out of business.
10-20-2009, 05:01 PM
flippin_waffles

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Originally Posted by nlancaster

I think you misunderstood my post, or I was not completly clear. I did not mean to say that intel has saved, but would probably do it sometime in the future if AMD looks to be going completly out of business.

Ah yes, I did misunderstand, my apologies. Although I don't see AMD going anywhere for the forseeable future, with or without Intel's 'help'. :D
10-20-2009, 05:27 PM
nlancaster

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

Ah yes, I did misunderstand, my apologies. Although I don't see AMD going anywhere for the forseeable future, with or without Intel's 'help'. :D

Right, I own a computer store and AMD does sell slower then Intel. But I am sure that we sell more then 20% of the time AMD. probably more like 30-40%. But $ wise we probably sell more like 90% Intel 10% AMD.
10-20-2009, 06:05 PM
flippin_waffles

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Originally Posted by nlancaster

Right, I own a computer store and AMD does sell slower then Intel. But I am sure that we sell more then 20% of the time AMD. probably more like 30-40%. But $ wise we probably sell more like 90% Intel 10% AMD.

Yeah, I can believe that. It's been that way for many many years. I think having to compete with Intel, AMD has evolved into a company that is very streamlined and very efficient and can survive with alot lower numbers than Intel can. So while Intel appears to be using a brute force tactic, AMD seems to be focused on being extremely efficient.
10-21-2009, 07:36 AM
Sn0wm@n

bulldozer wont be amd's last cpu.... there's now way it could end like that...

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