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IDK, the Swiftech rads are cheap but they perform well. This looks similar to that design. If the pricing bundy posted is correct for the US it should be a competitor or at least an interesting option. I still would rather support Swiftech than Feser though.Quote:
Originally Posted by naokaji
swifty-34mm thick > feser-28mm thick
Wow, how did I miss that. So this rad seems much less interesting now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Thickness dos'nt mean much, and whats your problem SNiiPE_DoGG?
my problem? I'm just pointing out facts about feser.... sorry if it bugs you
these should destroy BI GTS rads which have far too tight fin spacing but they arent in the same bracket as swiftech.
Actually with economy slow down it is cheaper to make them in Europe.
you're kidding, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by *|T2D|*PopovS
Shockingly no. Industrial sector in Europe like auto on North America...Quote:
Originally Posted by kinghong1970
I know theres a joke in there somewhere :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by bentleya
*waits for DB to post*
yea but labor in shanghai suburb factories was around $100~150 a month...Quote:
Originally Posted by *|T2D|*PopovS
just production cost alone... it's tough to beat.
maybe in eastern EU nations? romania? bulgaria?
still...
It probably beats it with med-low spd fans, according to HESmelaugh's test and that one french test the BI GTS pulls ahead with fans that run 2k rpms.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Why is everyone so quick to criticize around here these days?
It seems all bundymania is doing is letting us in on a product that's coming out. I don't see where he's said, "You MUST buy this," or "This is the best product ever."
If we jump all over people who post new product info, the logical conclusion is people will not post about new products here.
It's logical that someone posting info about a company's product probably has close connections with that company (and probably others). All I want from a review/reviewer is the disclosure that they have received a product for testing from Company X,Y, or Z. You can check history and compare to other reviews until you develop a level of comfort with any one reviewer.
Just my 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by shazza
AMEN!
it's a beautiful day outside... at least it is in NYC...
we all need to cool off a bit...
nothing a couple of beers won't fix...
cheers!
Agreed Shazza, No need to jump the gun.
But some do it anyway.
I agree with the ~2000lbs of furry animals that have posted.
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by alacheesu
Yeah thats one mean momma polar bear and a mean silverback.
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
@Bundymania: Can we expect to see some real test results soon? A good place to start would be this new Feser 28mm rad v. HW Labs GTS 25mm rad v. Swiftech MCR 34mm rad. Or for that matter, I am still waiting for somebody to do a real head to head comparison of Feser 480 v. XSPC RX 480. I can't find any review of that matchup, anywhere, in English, German, Spanish, Russian, French, or even Esperanto, nothing, nein, nada, nul, rien, (i don't actually know the Esperanto word for "nothing"). Look, I may not be very smart, but I know how to use Google. I am beginning to think that maybe manufacturers like Feser, XSPC and TC tell the guys that get free stuff from these same manufacturers to never run these head to head tests, hmm? Maybe they said we will only give you free stuff if you don't compare us to the other big boys on the block? I may be a conspiracy nut, but that doesn't mean there isn't collusion between the companies that dominate the market.
@alacheesu - Got a good laugh at the furry animal reference :rofl:
eth0s says:There are plenty of reviewers around who have tested Feser, XSPC, TC and other rads head to head. Some, if not many, of these folks do the testing as a service to the community (and because they may have a screw or two loose that makes them enjoy repeating tests and carefully controlling conditions - it can't be what most of us would consider fun :) ). Sometimes they get products to test from retail stores, from the manufacturer, or from regular users. I imagine they also spend a fair amount of their own money to get products. There just aren't a lot of 480 rads floating around, so I imagine that's the primary reason we haven't seen lots of head to heads - and the quads are fairly new as well. I'm willing to compare performance of triple rads and make my own assumptions about how the big brothers will compare.Quote:
Look, I may not be very smart, but I know how to use Google. I am beginning to think that maybe manufacturers like Feser, XSPC and TC tell the guys that get free stuff from these same manufacturers to never run these head to head tests, hmm? Maybe they said we will only give you free stuff if you don't compare us to the other big boys on the block? I may be a conspiracy nut, but that doesn't mean there isn't collusion between the companies that dominate the market.
(Guess I'm up to 4 cents worth of posts in this thread now.)
480 tests are planned...just a matter of when I can get to them and if certain companies would like to participate.
I can only speak for myself on this, but no company will dictate the tests I run as part of my public reviews. Sure, prototype testing happens a lot and there is data that is never seen by the public. But when I set out to do a round-up/comparison, it is me testing, writing reviews and releasing results.
:up:
Go feser Goo:D
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Originally Posted by eth0s
I´m working on a quad radiator comparison: XSPC RX - Feser Quad - Magicool Quad
Let me tell you some other infos: Last Year, i was the first reviewer worldwide with an direct comparison between the TFC Feser triple rad, TC 120.3 and some other well known rads (Magicool, Watercool)
In that review, the Feser and Thermochill Rad performs nearly equal, the TFC Radiator was only very slightly in front !
After that, the review was deleted in a "huge and well known german forum" for some for me "strange" reasons :shakes: (a few month later all other reviews with feser products in it too! - "temporary deleted"...so the official statement)
I became some "not so friendly" emails directly after releasing the review - but not from TC or another manufacturer with involved products in that review !
Interesting, I like them!
I'm really interested in seeing the quad results, I've been waiting for someone to make a slim quad rad for low speed fans for a while.
Slim radiators perform nearly as well as the double thickness types, I never understood all the hype on double thickness especially with really low speed fans.
FYI, the actual core thickness on slim radiators is 21mm thick, the extra thickness comes from the built in shroud, so it appears they decided to go with a slightly narrower shroud depth. It's one of those give an takes, make it thin so it's compatible with more cases and let folks choose to add their own shrouds, or go thicker to build more shroud benefit into the radiator itself. Different options...
Looking forward to some test results...
Sorry to hear the flaming from folks, I think all testers go through that. Folks are always skeptical. I always had one rule with I did my testing, I gave the manufacturer two options. Either I publish and tell the whole story, or they can opt out of the review all together. I did get a few that never made it, but most of them are generally pretty good about just getting the information out there from what I've seen. A review is always good exposure for them.
Anyhow, for what it's worth. Thanks for posting the pictures, and let us know more as you get some testing done.
Thanks!
Martin
Martin can you explain to me why this is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
@ Bundymania: It sounds like you are saying that Feser did not like the reviews it was getting on German websites, and suppressed those reviews. Is that what you are saying? I personally like Feser products, and I have Feser 360 rad right now, and I know it is doing a better job than the MCR 320 that it replaced. I also love Feser colored tubing, and I think I am the only person on Earth who likes the new Triebwerk fans, so I have nothing against the company, but I have suspected for a while that they are not willing to have independent reviews of their products go head to head with other top performers.
@ Martin: You are a like a voice of reason in the wilderness! I have long believed that thinner radiators are better (for both high and low speed fans), but I thought I was the only one. IMHO, the best radiator would be thin and wide, like 25mm thick and 3x3 140mm fans wide (i.e., 9 fans total). This however would be impractical to place in any standard case as it would look like a big cookie-sheet-type-radiator, and would have to be mounted in the side of the case, or be placed outside the case, in its own enclosure.