Are all these locked CPU's 2500+'s, or are we looking at ALL shipping Barton's being locked? :eek: :(
I was thinking I might buy a 2800+ to avoid the risk of a locked chip, but if that damn thing is locked, I'd going to kill someone. :mad:
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Are all these locked CPU's 2500+'s, or are we looking at ALL shipping Barton's being locked? :eek: :(
I was thinking I might buy a 2800+ to avoid the risk of a locked chip, but if that damn thing is locked, I'd going to kill someone. :mad:
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Originally posted by flytek
amd's been kicking the enthusiasts in the teeth lately
kick 1: socket 754 to be outdated by 939 within a year
kick 2: socket 940 to be bested by 939 within a year.
kick 3: socket 940 only uses reg ram to be useless within a year.
kick 4: locking high multies on 754 forcing fsb only overclocking:
kick 5: locking old 32bit chips just to force the expensive 64bit chips to look better.
i don't know how much longer their fans will hold out.
You're misreading the situation completely.
kick 1, the 754 is still here, is cheaper to produce(when they make a single channel only ,less pins, poss less layered mobo, hence cheaper. Its the cheap solution, it will stay.
kick 2: as it is, seems like this, but really we should only have socket 754 now, the 940 version of the fx was jsut brought about now to have something ultra high end to show with dual channel. add kick 3 to this little part and, socket 940 will be around for a LONG time, it is the SERVER solution making a brief appearance for the very dedicated people who wanta FX now. Its them spending EXTRA effort to get teh fx available, when really it was only really gonna come out in 939. The people running fx's at 2.8Ghz without too much concern for money really don't care, and are happy amd did this.
kick 4? for 99% of people, on air cooling and water, lower multi's are all is needed on this ONE chip. Remember, the 3400+ 2.2Ghz has to have a 11 multi, so higher are available, we'll have to see, and with more chips and working unlocking bios's on future boards, we'll probo see better multi control. but having sub 10 multis is MOST useful to MOST people.
well, when every enthusiast in the world realises that the 3000+ ath 64 is sub £200 by probo jan, who wants ath xp's, most clockers will move to ath 64's ath fx's in 939 form. If they can somehow save money with one less bridge sorting stage to make the ath xp the new duron(ie cheap) then thats all good. also, again, for most peeps on air, 11x multi ain't the worst thing ever heard of.
you can find a negative with everything, but in these situations, you are misreading and being overly negative.
also , to add to that, P4EE on one socket with one speed, prescott to come out with 2-3 chips on this socket, then move on, current canterwood boards will also be obsolete, in the way you say it, IE something newer, within a eyar when teh new prescott and socekt comes out? completely locked. much more heat output, prescott will initially(till god knows when and FROM god knows when) be slower than the P4EE. All teh while the 3400, 3600+(maybe) new fx's, 2.5Ghz opterons, 3000+ ath 64's, are all coming out.
well well, I'm happy to see a thread like this. Not only bartons are being locked but also the new duron applebreds.
I own 2 duron applebred 1400's and they are both locked in a way.
I can't change the multi on an nf2 board, I can't change the multi on the bridges on the cpu nor the pins. The only thing I can change with the bridges and pins is the Vcore.
I alread posted those experiences in this thread.
strange that no one has mentioned it yet.
I'm guessing that amd is using some sort of internal fuses wich are blown. Thereby disabeling the connected bridges and pins to it. The bridge and pin lay-out can't be changed, otherwise these cpu's would be incompatible with our motherboards.
I hope that someone finds a way to get past it, but I doubt it.
If this is the new amd strategy, it sucks :(
certainly if you consider that running memory async on amd platforms sucks monkeyballs.
well I called home and the wife read me this stepping:
AXDA2500DKV4D
AQXEA0334MPMW
K020877200085
please tell me this one is unlocked!
only from week 39 and later it seems. you are safe.
Thanks flytek what a relief! :p:Quote:
Originally posted by flytek
only from week 39 and later it seems. you are safe.
drunkmaster - amd is making the long term ownership of their cpu more expensive by switching platforms often like intel. how can this be positive for any end user or ultimately amd itself. at the same time they're limiting overclocking options and driving enthusiasts away. longevity of their platform and options for the enthusiasts have been the only thing keeping them at their market share. we may only buy 1% of the chips but we might sell up to 5% of them to other end users. please point out one positive aspect of amd recent behaviour just for my amusement.
This is worse then when the tbred-a's came back :D
Flytek, errm, they've brought us better and better chips for the last several years, they just brought out the fastest chip in teh market right now, with the ath 64 kicking some serious Intel ass, its cheaper, and faster, the only intel offering that can match a £320 ath 64 is a £800 intel P4EE that i've not seen in stock anywhere. Extremely bad IMHO.
They STILL have a HUGE price difference between them an intel for similar speed offerings. Locking a few chips to a 11 multi that MOST enthusiasts won't buy at all. THe 2500+ has been out for, what 6 months? those who have them, well, already have them, very few people will be buying them for overclocking. Come mid next year, the 939 will be out, as well as having dirt cheap, £150 or maybe less, ath 64's available. The enthusiast market as a whole won't be buying XP's.
AS i tried to explain to you, ignore the ath fx right now on 940 socket.
Its a makeshift product for those few that can afford it now, they aren't buying as a long term thing, look at whose brought them, extreme overclockers mainly, its pretty much just for them. Ignore it and, you have the early cheap ath 64 single channel, which will continue to be the budget version of the ath 64 for a couple of years, normal life span, so anyone buying has identical life span to that of socket a. They are jsut introducing the 939 dual channel part early next year. Its gonna be faster and cheaper than anythign intel have, again, pretty good IMHO.
you have to stop using amd switching from 940 to 939 as a negative thing, there should basically be no 940 fx right now, it was just thrown out for a few people to mess about with, its not a serious product that is gonna be neglected, and no one buying it now is expecting to keep them for long.
Can you please tell me what they are doing that is so negative. Again i'll point out, they make the chips, then add an extra step in the process to cut bridges and make them unlocked, this is the soon to be Duron class product, its gotta be cheap as chips to make, so they cut out everything they can, the cheaper the top ath xp is, the cheaper the lowest ath 64 is, that is a VERY good thing.
You can get a duron for £30 now, and an xp for £45, if that duron was still £60 the xp would be £80.
PS, they aren't switching platforms often, and even if they are, peopel upgrade mobo's anyway, 99% of people are using nforce 2? its only about 5 months old in its rev 2 form, which is what a huge number of people have, yet, socket a chips, more specifically, bartons, will work on kt266's. So all of the people you are saying care about for instance, socket changes, and so on, will get the latest chip and the latest mobo to go with it anyway. Thats all aside form what i said before. They aren't making it more expensive to keep a chip longterm, anyone that cares about value ain't buying ath fx's, anyone that is is buying ath 64's now which will be supported in socket 754 for a couple years, or in a few months when they'll have more options.
in the old days when you bought a duron you could save up and wait for an xp to become affordable WITHOUT having to swop out your motherboard. see my point? this has always been the main reason to avoid intel. anything you buy from them is on average guaranteed to be obsoleted be them within 3 months. at least you could rely on amd to keep the platforms stable making a motherboard investment more attractive.
i'm talking about socket 754 here. i agree with you that the fx is an overpriced joke of a server chip in desktop clothing. only intels rambus fiasco compares in stupidity.
no its not stupid, its not meant to be a real product, its akin to a p4EE in so far as its the server version in desktops clothing. The difference bein ghte fx can scale and will scale ;)
Socket 754 is here to stay, 939 is , (when teh fx 940 is ignored) a new product, it is not a replacement. Anyone with 754 will be able to continue getting chips. I am kinda hoping the 939 socket will be compatible pin layout with 754, so you can upgrade chip on same mobo, that would be nice, but not essential.
As for teh 940 FX, its not a joke, its simply marketing, it really should make its proper debut when 939 arrives, but there isn't anything wrong with showing it off and its speed a little early by releasing a few to those extreme clockers who will get some great benchies for it, thats all it is, not a full product, it didn't really cost anything to develope, just a diff printing after manu on that heatspreader. Its actually useful for us as its another 64bit capable cpu, its showing the highest of high end power, and will encourage more people its teh way to go, good for us as its persauding more people 64 bit is here and useful(its not actually saying that, but if you show the best chip in world is 64bit capable, thats what people will think, peeps is stupid :p ) and persaudes support for 64bit apps as its something thats already here, not 3 months away.
ASsuming 939 pin out can't be made so a 754 can fit in the socket, it will be a shame, the duron-XP upgrade is a nice idea, but with the way teh chip works, pins, mem controller onboard, dual/single channel mem, the only way to really save money on production and be able to offer a lower end, cheaper chip, is to offer to sockets for it. Its a shame, but if we only had 939, everything 939 socket would be quite a huge amount more expensive.
Also remember, when 939 is here, it won't drop in price hugely, mobo prices may or may not drop £30-50, but teh chip is basically the same, higher production rate as more people buy will bring costs down, but as i said 939 is in no way replacing 754, 939 will be expensive still, and 90% of us enthusiast will be buying 754 chips in 6 months time, i almost garentee it. I mean, 939 on release is probo looking at say a 2.4 or 2.6Ghz part, but at $500-700 with a ath 64 754 part at 2.2-2.4Ghz at $350 or so still. That is the one most of us will be buying, its here now, and its here to stay.
Damn! can I be more unlucky?
When you guys were talking about the new Durons from NewEgg I ordered one and got a MIRGA, twice!
Then I heard about the Thortons so I decided to order the 2400+ ($82). I figured it was $10 cheaper than a 2500+ Barton but 170MHz faster so by enabling the extra cache plus a litle OC of only 200MHz (to 2.2GHz) it'll be like having a 3200+ Barton which costs $320+ right?
Well..., guess what? it's freaking locked... :brick:
AXDC2400DKV3C 1013895261578
AQXFA0339MPMW
Quote:
Originally posted by EQuito
Damn! can I be more unlucky?
When you guys were talking about the new Durons from NewEgg I ordered one and got a MIRGA, twice!
damn that sucks! I started to order a Duron, but decided not to because I didn't want to receive that stepping. That's why I went with a 2500. The day after I ordered the chip, I saw this thread and just knew I was going to get a locked chip. :(
1: Socket 754 will not disappear, all Athlon 64 3200+ and up are Socket 754.Quote:
Originally posted by flytek
amd's been kicking the enthusiasts in the teeth lately
kick 1: socket 754 to be outdated by 939 within a year
kick 2: socket 940 to be bested by 939 within a year.
kick 3: socket 940 only uses reg ram to be useless within a year.
kick 4: locking high multies on 754 forcing fsb only overclocking:
kick 5: locking old 32bit chips just to force the expensive 64bit chips to look better.
i don't know how much longer their fans will hold out.
2: For Athlon 64 FX, yes, the FX will become a non-ECC CPU which improves performance.
3: No, you will still be able to buy Opteron 1xx CPUs if you need ECC RAM and this 940 socket CPUs.
4: So far only the FX seems unlocked, yes. But still, it will take some time before these CPUs become overclockable, they are young and near their limit today.
5: Generally AMD has had their expensive CPUs unlocked while locking their cheaper CPUs. This is mainly to avoid the grey market that remarks CPUs and sells you higher rated CPUs than they are. Not so much in Europe/US, but in the rest of the world.
Overclockers have had it good and will continue to do so with AMD processers. AMD is a business, trying to make money. As I see it my overclocked (FSB only) 2500+ running at above 3200+ speeds just cost AMD about 250 bucks.
I know it's been said before, but there's still a chance someone will figure out how to unlock the chip(s). here's hoping....
lets say you don't quite have the money for a 3200+ but can just afford a 2800+. you want 200fsb with drr400 because that is what all the baords support. so what do you do? you buy a locked 2500+ and run it at 3200+ becuase you know there is little chance that a 2800+ will make 200fsb easily. damn that also cost amd money. :eek:Quote:
Originally posted by tritium
Overclockers have had it good and will continue to do so with AMD processers. AMD is a business, trying to make money. As I see it my overclocked (FSB only) 2500+ running at above 3200+ speeds just cost AMD about 250 bucks.
yes, let's hope so. I have tried a lot of things with my cpuQuote:
Originally posted by JAWS
I know it's been said before, but there's still a chance someone will figure out how to unlock the chip(s). here's hoping....
AQZFA0342TPMW
Now I have a speed of 11x242 max en stable speed of 11x232@1,825v. I tried pinmods.. but a mp more than 11 is a no go...
Welcome to Xtreme kassie!Quote:
Originally posted by kaasie
yes, let's hope so. I have tried a lot of things with my cpu
AQZFA0342TPMW
Now I have a speed of 11x242 max en stable speed of 11x232@1,825v. I tried pinmods.. but a mp more than 11 is a no go...
Wow running a fsb like that, I don't know if I'd worry about the multiplier! :toast:
even with a pinmod? then the trace is probably cut somehwere else where we dont see it... hmmm
thanks, we always want the max from the cpu and Mobo :)Quote:
Originally posted by kaasie
yes, let's hope so. I have tried a lot of things with my cpu
AQZFA0342TPMW
Now I have a speed of 11x242 max en stable speed of 11x232@1,825v. I tried pinmods.. but a mp more than 11 is a no go...
btw I have a thermaltake aquariusII and max temp of 45 C, Very nice I think so :)
yes I have tried, but it didn't worked. Seem to be a perfect intern lock like intel.Quote:
Originally posted by saaya
even with a pinmod? then the trace is probably cut somehwere else where we dont see it... hmmm
That's a pretty damn nice OC @ 1.825v. :eek: My chip needs 2.1v to do that mhz! (and it's Prometeia cooled)Quote:
Originally posted by kaasie
yes, let's hope so. I have tried a lot of things with my cpu
AQZFA0342TPMW
Now I have a speed of 11x242 max en stable speed of 11x232@1,825v. I tried pinmods.. but a mp more than 11 is a no go...
as you noticed on cpuz or wcpuid your multiplier does not budge just like mine:
locked:
AQXCA 0340
AQXFA 0339
AQXFA 0340 MPMW
AQXFA 0334 (?, since there are no other reports of pre week 39 locks)
AQYFA 0340
AQYFA 0341
AQYFA 0342
AQYFA 0343 RPMW
AQZEA 0341 RPMW
AQZFA 0341 XPMW
AQZFA 0339 UPMW
AQZFA 0342 TPMW
AQZFA 0342 UPMW (!!)
unlocked:
AQZEA 0334
AQZEA 0339 UPMW
AQZFA 0340 UPMW
AQXFA 0336
AQXFA 0340 TPMW
AQZFA 0342 UPMW (confirmed unlock in Australia, 1 reported locked elsewhere)
You see there is no stepping or week pattern, the only way to increase your chances is to try to get a pre week 39 Barton...