Quad Core Round Up: AMD Vs Intel Clock to Clock(deneb vs agena + deneb vs intel)

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01-03-2009, 09:30 PM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by accord99

But then neither will current Intel users have any need to switch to AMD in light of the performance and power usage of Phenom II. And given the last 2.5 years, this favors Intel.

maybe depends what cpu they have and what motherboard they have, etc.
01-03-2009, 09:31 PM
YukonTrooper

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Originally Posted by roofsniper

current amd users will have no need to switch unless they feel like they should get i7 and even if the performance of yorkfield and deneb are the same no one will want to upgrade to a dead platform especially when deneb's platform will be cheaper. i don't see deneb coming out and being amazing but i do believe it will increase amd's market share from what it is now.

Yup, I agree about the first part; although, LGA775 won't be a dead platform for awhile to come. I think its lifespan compared to AM2 will be very similar. I also don't see Yorkfield and Deneb performing the same, at least from the charts we've seen thus far. The lead by Yorkfield isn't dramatic, but it's consistent.
01-03-2009, 09:50 PM
roofsniper

yea clock to clock it seems yorkfield edges out deneb but it would be nice to see more benchmarks and games, etc. plus the cpus might get better after being out for awhile. but if deneb can overclock higher than yorkfield it might be a key point. idk you can only hope at this point but it doesn't seem like deneb will be what it was hyped up to be. its good but not perfect.
01-04-2009, 06:37 AM
TL1000S

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Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr

tell me 2 screenshots that you want from deneb scores @ 3.7ghz(225*16.5 nb clock & ht link @ 2250 to provide to you right now.

Your proof is @ 64bit.
I was running 32bit.
Next time read more careful

You have answered this in another thread also.
It may seem that certain posters have an inability to digest information.
It would help if they removed their dark green tinted sunglasses. :)

To other ranting posters about PHII being "bad".
I disagree.
If AMD lowers the prices a little after the intial sellout to the fanboi-teams, they have a very competing product in Deneb.
They will drop right into most AM2-board hence saving *a lot* compared to going the "Intel-ci7-route" (as long as there is only extremely high priced X58-board available).

PS/Edit:
Yorkies are also quite high priced compared to ci7 and PHII.
01-04-2009, 06:46 AM
vietthanhpro

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Originally Posted by OverClocker_gr

tell me 2 screenshots that you want from deneb scores @ 3.7ghz(225*16.5 nb clock & ht link @ 2250 to provide to you right now.

Your proof is @ 64bit.
I was running 32bit.
Next time read more careful

This VGA is GTX260 !:D
Can you bench with HD4870x2. I want to see:(
AMD Dragon = RD790+SB750+PII 940+R700XT.:p:
Thank you !:clap:
01-04-2009, 08:01 AM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by roofsniper

yea clock to clock it seems yorkfield edges out deneb but it would be nice to see more benchmarks and games, etc. plus the cpus might get better after being out for awhile. but if deneb can overclock higher than yorkfield it might be a key point. idk you can only hope at this point but it doesn't seem like deneb will be what it was hyped up to be. its good but not perfect.

And remember all the abuse and insults you directed at me when I said pretty much exactly that?
01-04-2009, 08:05 AM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

That pretty much confirms what I already knew. A complete slaughter. I hope I'm wrong, but from where I'm sitting I'm seeing the end of AMD, and the beginning of huge price increases and complete market takeover.

It has often been said that Intel can't afford to let AMD fail completely because the Federal Govt would then classify them as a monopoly and then interfere with them.

I wonder how much truth there is to that point of view?

I would still wait till some other reviews show up before declaring a "complete slaughter", but it is increasingly looking like AMD's fate depends on what Intel wants to do with them.
01-04-2009, 08:12 AM
Xello

Hmm, desktop comparisons are well and good but AMD's fate will be decided by how their server model competes with nehalem xeon parts.
01-04-2009, 08:15 AM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by Xello

Hmm, desktop comparisons are well and good but AMD's fate will be decided by how their server model competes with nehalem xeon parts.

How do you work that out?

They can't get by forever just on the server market, not with the make up and cost structure they currently have.
01-04-2009, 09:33 AM
Nasgul

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Reconfirms my purchase of my q6600 being epic.

Its just mind blowing that even now, AMD has not caught up to Kentsfield. Good step in the right direction though.

Yes, the Q6600 is an EPIC processor, and by non other than the best company in the world: Intel.

Good direction would've been two years ago but to this date, it's too little too late, but then again, this is why the green company has had a long time track record of pulling such stunts, well deserve, they get it. Yoda!

And it's safe to say that these CPUs won't be costing $700 to $1000 now that they still can't catch up to Intel's new big guns. LOL. X2 3800+ $550, now? $32.99........LMAO.
01-04-2009, 10:33 AM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

And remember all the abuse and insults you directed at me when I said pretty much exactly that?

you weren't saying the exact thing. you were arguing in ways of why deneb wasn't going to be good. i remember you saying that it wasn't going to be that great because all it was was a die shrink and a larger cache. from what we have seen its much more than that with how well it can overclock. but we cool?:buddies:

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Originally Posted by Nasgul

Yes, the Q6600 is an EPIC processor, and by non other than the best company in the world: Intel.

Good direction would've been two years ago but to this date, it's too little too late, but then again, this is why the green company has had a long time track record of pulling such stunts, well deserve, they get it. Yoda!

And it's safe to say that these CPUs won't be costing $700 to $1000 now that they still can't catch up to Intel's new big guns. LOL. X2 3800+ $550, now? $32.99........LMAO.

you would think that you would want to try to sound less like a fanboy if you actually wanted people to take your comments seriously.
01-04-2009, 10:41 AM
tbone8ty

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Originally Posted by stangracin2

you cant call that a slaughter considering amd beat the i7 in a few benches and tied it in a few more.

:clap: thank you! it seems like some people didn't even read the article
01-04-2009, 10:41 AM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by roofsniper

you weren't saying the exact thing. you were arguing in ways of why deneb wasn't going to be good. i remember you saying that it wasn't going to be that great because all it was was a die shrink and a larger cache. from what we have seen its much more than that with how well it can overclock. but we cool?

I was saying its IPC increase wouldn't be that much more significant than is usually the case with shrinks and cache increases and specifically said that 15 to 20% IPC increase claims were ludicrous.

You and others were outraged I was making such claims.

I never stated it would be a poor overclocker.
01-04-2009, 10:52 AM
Dante80

Terrific review guys, cheers...^^

Shouldn't this be in the Xtreme News or AMD subforum though? :shrug:
01-04-2009, 11:06 AM
Vozer

This is the clock-for-clock comparison for Agena and Deneb. :D

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...s_deneb_01.png
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...s_deneb_02.png
01-04-2009, 11:13 AM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by Dante80

Terrific review guys, cheers...^^

Shouldn't this be in the Xtreme News or AMD subforum though? :shrug:

it was in news at the start but then it got moved. and 5% ipc? hmmmmmm
01-04-2009, 11:30 AM
leoy

Put some 2.4+ at deneb's nothbridge and u will see how far behind is the phenom II...;)(i've seen 920 phenom II @ 2.6 easily...)

I'm pretty sure every intel guy would do this in his kentsfield/yorkfield when he would overclock....(if they had one :p: )

So i'm pretty sure phenom II has some aces in his sleeve....
01-04-2009, 11:33 AM
noki

Vozer, could you make the deneb vs kentsfeld and deneb vs yorkfield comparison? and if you have time, yorkfield vs kentsfield...
01-04-2009, 12:32 PM
Zucker2k

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Originally Posted by leoy

Put some 2.4+ at deneb's nothbridge and u will see how far behind is the phenom II...;)(i've seen 920 phenom II @ 2.6 easily...)

I'm pretty sure every intel guy would do this in his kentsfield/yorkfield when he would overclock....(if they had one :p: )

So i'm pretty sure phenom II has some aces in his sleeve....

We have the fsb, and look what it does!!
01-04-2009, 12:53 PM
leoy

U are already high on fsb at 3.7 to 4 .
Phenom II can go to 3.7 -4 and tweak tha nb at whatever speed u want.
@ 2.6nb and some ddr3 maybe we will have nice numbers. Here we aren't just overclockers we tweak everything.
Yorkfield's everything is just fsb which u already tweak:p:...

@64bit windows phenom II kick ass too mate u aren't even informed.
01-04-2009, 12:57 PM
OverClocker_gr

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Originally Posted by Dante80

Terrific review guys, cheers...^^

Shouldn't this be in the Xtreme News or AMD subforum though? :shrug:

It was at news section but(i dont know the reason) someone moved it
01-04-2009, 01:41 PM
Zucker2k

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Originally Posted by leoy

U are already high on fsb at 3.7 to 4 .
Phenom II can go to 3.7 -4 and tweak tha nb at whatever speed u want.
@ 2.6nb and some ddr3 maybe we will have nice numbers. Here we aren't just overclockers we tweak everything.
Yorkfield's everything is just fsb which u already tweak:p:...

@64bit windows phenom II kick ass too mate u aren't even informed.

Maybe you're dense; all the same, chew on this:
01-04-2009, 01:50 PM
Caveman787

Well to be fair for that comparison to be chew worthy you'd need to lower the phenom's clock but raise tits northbridge, htt and hypertransport clocks.

Also likely the memory because I havnt seen any with good mhz and timings.

Edit: under closer inspection 1gb 800mhz memory vs. 8gb 1000mhz memory...

Edit 2: sorry was gonna say 400/500 at first then changed it.
01-04-2009, 01:58 PM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by Caveman787

Well to be fair for that comparison to be chew worthy you'd need to lower the phenom's clock but raise tits northbridge, htt and hypertransport clocks.

Also likely the memory because I havnt seen any with good mhz and timings.

Edit: under closer inspection 1gb 400mhz memory vs. 8gb 1000mhz memory...

yes its a completely horrible comparison since how i have seen many more. it seems hes just picking the best yorkfield he can find and then find the worst phenom II benchmark out with the absolute worst settings. and the phenom has 800 mhz ram not 400.
01-04-2009, 02:02 PM
Zucker2k

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Originally Posted by Caveman787

Well to be fair for that comparison to be chew worthy you'd need to lower the phenom's clock but raise tits northbridge, htt and hypertransport clocks.

Also likely the memory because I havnt seen any with good mhz and timings.

Edit: under closer inspection 1gb 400mhz memory vs. 8gb 1000mhz memory...

Sigh! Please point us to the evidence that more ram helps cinebench. If anything, my NB is being tasked with such high fsb and 8Gbs. This is my everyday system and this is currently the hardware config. that's all. Of course, you guys can consider this a target when you get your PIIs. All you hear is excuses, DDR3, Expensive, Hot, etc.

This is a Q9550 with 8GB of cheap DDR2 ram at DDR2 990Mhz with loose timings.

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