Oil has hugely inferior heat transfer and capacity properties compared to water.Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
Oil has hugely inferior heat transfer and capacity properties compared to water.Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
Particle size is a factor, I think. 30-40 nm particles, if they had any abrasive effect, would obviously be at the nanoscale and would probably produce absolutely no macroscopic effects over a regular lifetime, say, even a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Kayin
I would be willing to test it:DQuote:
Originally Posted by cegras
I like that "milk" :D
Good job, bro. Very usefull test.
The discussion in another thread revolved around the fact that this stuff is unobtanium...seriously. It was asked numerous times where to obtain some of it, or if it would be available, but those questions were never answered. I got a feeling this was just an experiement that never really went anywhere. Since no place is marketing this stuff it's really a moot point for us, because we can't get any of it.
Those with kids should stay clear of this.... for obvious reasons.
T, I think we figured about half of it out. If the OP is unwilling to share, well, we might just make our own. I enjoy reverse engineering stuff. It's how I made my CuSil too.
Yeah, I could do that easily. 80 bucks to have it analyzed, but the problem is I wonder if there are any patents pending on it. It would be very easy for me to have it chemically analyzed, and the partcile sizes I could deal with myself here at the shop. I used to work with solid rocket propellents and still do for a hobby. I'm retired now, or kinda semi-retired anyway. If they are below certain sizes I could have them analyzed at another place too, but that would take much longer.
I really wish the OP of the stuff would just say "I can sell X bottles, who wants one (or more)" but they're not even responding to these questions. It makes me think that it might not be a government secret or whatever, but more THAT EASY to replicate.
I have experiments to run, of course, but this might be interesting...
T, you gonna get it analyzed?
I'd need some of it first. hehe I'd also like to know for sure about any patents or if this indeed Gov't stuff. I definitely do not want to get in any trouble with the Gov't. I have permits and stuff, and without those I'd be finished with these rocket motors...they're regulated...heavily regulated.
Thanks for testing.
That's very interesting and supportive and providing real scientific proof that a cooling fluid other than water can provide thermal benefits over water no matter how small they might be, it does make a numbers supportive improvement unlike glycol based products...nice!
I like the milk like look, just don't leave that around in cup if you've got little ones running around.
Nice...thanks!
Everything I read makes me think it's nanoscale fluid abrasive media. If it really is, I wanna say this.
The guy that first put this in a loop carries his cojones in a wheelbarrow. I mean seriously, this took a fair bit of risk.
I'm still interested in seeing more results, while I work on trying to find a repeatable source.
Kayin, I thought you were a pastor, or is God into the overclocking thing? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Kayin
Imagine the smell warm, congealed and sour milk would make after just a week in your loop. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon
How does that compare to water?
Excellent test just like your sandwich test (looking forward to the continuation of the sandwich testing). I'm curious how this stuff would look with dye, would the dye even take to the nanofluid?
If you still have the loop filled, take the fan off the single 120 radiator and just have airflow coming from a distance from an 80mm or weak 120mm fan, I'm just curious what the result would be considering the results from the weakest cooled-radiator. Perhaps (I know I'm reaching) allowing the removal of radiator fans to be replaced by one or two case fans blowing very little air over the radiators. (forgive me for even suggesting you to take the chance with your Q6600, nothing personal against your hardware, I'm just curious)
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Originally Posted by taowulf
:sick:
Thanks for that...although, with the tube and reservoir staining that occured, it does sorta look like your description.
If you had a lot of money to waste, maybe you could buy some quantum dots...Quote:
Originally Posted by Freaky Freezer
What's a quantum dot?Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
Nevermind, I googled it, now that would look sick.
I was also wondering about Nanofluid plus dye. But since I've never used any kind of dye or any additives, this isn't something I'll be exploring myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freaky Freezer
Originally, I thought about testing Nanofluid with passive radiators. I didn't get the radiators yet, so I didn't do the testing yet. I wouldn't want to use a radiator that's designed for active airflow passively, rather I would use a radiator designed specifically for passive use. This would be another scenario where one can expect considerable heating of the fluid.
As you point out yourself, going for even less airflow would take us into temperature regions that I consider dangerous for the CPU, so I avoided that.
Someone in a German forum asked about what the Nanofluid looks like in colored tubes, so I made a few pics:
http://www.abload.de/thumb/13june.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/140m3y.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/15cyqz.jpg
http://www.abload.de/thumb/10ymrw.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/11aws2.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/12bsim.jpg
http://www.abload.de/thumb/03hqrm.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/04xm9y.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/02ln30.jpg
http://www.abload.de/thumb/069o3f.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/077m13.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/087qf8.jpg
The tube crossing over the top is empty, the one benath is filled with Nanofluid.
Also, someone on that forum theorized that Nanofluid is esentially diluted wall paint. Nor necessarily suggesting that it's made by diluting wall paint but saying you could get the same effect with diluted wall paint because it contains Nano-sized particles with improved heat transfer. I seriously have no ideo whether that's possible or not since I know next to nothing about molecular physics. Just thought I'd mention it here and see what you guys think.
What's up.. let me clear a few things up about this stuff. We hope to have it available early next year. We have patent pending on a bunch of things. We also have a second iteration of the stuff about 99% done. We hope to send that out to get some testing done. There are a bunch of loops we HAVE to jump through. We need to be protected from idiots who pour it in their fishtanks and kill all the fish and then sue us etc etc. We have all the patents to take care of. We have to get a business license and tax ID. We had to get clearance from the University and the Air Force. We have to get it certified as not a hazardous material so we can ship it. A bunch of little things. We are going as fast as we can. I have had this stuff running in my WC set-up since June- still going strong. It is NOT milk..I promise. We haven't tried any dye in it. I think we are going to leave that up to the individual user. I am a Clemson boy, so I was all about it being Orange. But, my partner is a Game:banana::banana::banana::banana: fan, so he wanted it garnet. We have sent stuff out to Tom's Hardware and Anandtech, but they seemed to have changed their minds about testing it. We were really waiting for tests results. I am hoping to run some rudimentary tests tonite with the second iteration. I will let you know.
Thanks for the response.
relttem, just so you know, if I want to reverse engineer it, it's really worth having to me.
And I don't think God has a problem with overclocking.
As soon as you have more available, I'd like to find out how much it would be. I got a good quad and a lot of radiator for it.
one of the main things about the nanofluid is the advantage of not having to have a lot of radiator. You might need a lot of radiator if you are cooling multiple things, but for just a CPU you don't need it.
I would love to see the results on a passive reservoir, if they seem significant, I would be willing to test it myself with an active reservoir being passively cooled (using an extra martyr CPU of course). If I can ever get away with equal cooling and reducing noise, I'm always game.Quote:
Originally Posted by HESmelaugh