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True but I'm using a P43, not P45. I do have 6GB of good Mushkin PC-6400 and I haven't exactly killed the Idea of getting a 9550 or etc.. I looked at some X58's, 3 2GB sticks DDR3-1333 and the i920. I'll simply compare performance to Dollar ratio and run with it, Green or Blue is kind of over rated at this point for sure. AMD's price to performance ratio will matter more than anything, no matter what or how it is named:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Coming from a P45+E8400 combo, when you have to pay 260€ for the mobo, 260€ for the CPU and 150-200€ for 3x2GB DDR3 you start looking at what AMD has to offer with interest. The world's economy is not going to lower prices, at least not here (mainly because we are not as bad as the US). And if this thing can clock to 4+GHz with acceptable power consumption (with seems to be the case) and with better perfomance than current Yorks it's a no brainer for me. However, if I had the money I'd go for Nehalem, no doubts. Its perfomance is going to be higher.
That will not happen.If it's slower than i920 than you can bet it will be priced lower too.IT still depends whether one talks about out of the box performance(ie. turbo feature on i7 can make ipc comparison harder than usual-why not OC both chips to their maximum and test them in your preferred workload?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
But the total platform cost arguments still stands.Plus the chip has dual standard DDR support so you can use it with both types of RAM/boards.
actually it's about the 800 series that has 2MB less cache than the 900 series. I'd guess it's parts with defective L3 cache. This makes me wonder whether propus is actually a different mask without the L3Quote:
Originally Posted by CCUABIDExORxDIE
qfe,Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
but as you said it depends on the price/performance, a cpu is cheaper then a cpu and board. ;)
It will be around $299.usd:shocked:
Source ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hell Hound
Someone did a screen capture of a Newegg page with i7 920 going for $319. WE ALL know about Newegg's priceing bot and how they aren't the cheapest site for any new item.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opteron146
QFT! That's why I never bought an Athlon FX:up: But did buy at least two of the cheaper models. I only had the 4400+ one week before a bud bought it from me. Still have the 3500+.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
I'll wait for DDR3 to mature a little more, not that interested at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
I wish I could agree with you! Theory means nothing here. The Hard end result gained by hook or by cook will be the only thing that matters. MOST folks will only care about out of the box performance=P Sure we at XtremeSystems will care about overclocking but we are what, 1% of the market?
I'd NEVER bet on AMD's pricing policies. At times they seem more like P.T. Barnum and think most of us, even in this market, as suckers. Wouldn't be the first time we've seen odd ball prices. Sales will determine the real price but that's the way it should be:up:
Yeah, but for i7 you need ddr3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Of course, that's one reason Deneb is ahead for me, see earlier post?Quote:
Originally Posted by m^2
At least they're not called Phenom 20950 like it was initially rumored.. That would have been ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Oh and Donnie27 thinking about buying AMD? I had to look outside to see if the pigs started flying.. :eek:
there we go :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
Damn if deneb is 299$ then this will be a tougher choice then before...
Biggest unknown is the what DDR3 will do for Deneb in terms of performance, when comparing to competition both C2D & Nehalem , this may effect the pricing of Deneb.Amd will price Deneb keeping this "DDR3 FACTOR" in mind, even though ddr2 parts are coming out first , then ddr3 parts coming later. :)
So initially if Deneb is overpriced may be its bcz of the "DDR3 FACTOR" which comes later next year.
But I could be 100% wrong. :shrug:
Dear AMD I have completely lost faith in you over time. you use to be so fine back in the athlon XP and athlon 64 days, then you got beat and you panicked. You got all Fussy and released a processor with known errors to the market. I will give you one more chance. After I finish my nehalem !!!
The "DDR3 FACTOR" is meaningless for desktop apps, just look at Ci7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaber
About new Phenom prices.
Well, keep in mind what happend with 4850 and 4870.
AMD needs market share and I think they're a bit desperate.
We'll see but I think they will price Phenoms very agressively and that's what I've heard ;)
Its tough call , may be it differs from architecture to architecture , so untill I see the performance difference b/w ddr2 & ddr3 on Deneb , I won't assume any thing. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
But I am not expecting any huge but marginal gains in performance of Deneb going from ddr2 to ddr3. :)
Whoa, very nice!
That OC slide, not sure but I think it could be true actually. Reason for me that might make it questionable is that AMD never has been around a solid 4Ghz clock. Then again, as long as Im in hardware I never saw them releasing CPU's at 2.8~3Ghz right away either, so this certainly sounds promising.
Also it's a very good move they keep the BE-line. Even if it's only people with a bit of money just wanting to have fun, a BE CPU ain't very expensive, especially not compared against unlocked Intel CPU's. Im wondering more and more though what the FX-line will bring. Either they skip it again or it's some cherry picked batch with more cache and high/k and metal gates or something.
Almost made me feel stupid for ordering my new i7 already, but to be honest, why anyway. Ill keep the best parts from my system and upgrade to a Deneb when high/k and metal gates arrive, that should rock! I do not think Deneb will touch Bloomfield too much performance wise, but in price competition Im pretty sure, if those slides are true of course:p: Actually, it wont be even that hard to be competitive in price at all:p:
Im eagerly waiting for some reviews, that's for sure:up:
I am assembling the parts list now. I want some flexibility in the memory, so I am eyeballing 3x2 OCZ DD3-1600 C8 or Corsair DDR3-1600 C8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
So far the build will be Asus Rampage II Extreme, i7 965, DDR3-1600 ...
The Phenom II build will start with an older AM2+ board, but need to get one with a SB750 southbridge to make a fair OC compare.
Jack
ah, only one BE?
nice lineup and names, btw :ROTF:
this is starting to get interesting :up:
It won't do much I suspect -- mem BW is not a huge factor in desktop workloads. Maybe 5% on average better. It really depends on the quality of the IMC, the DDR2 IMC from AMD has been a bit weaker than the DDR IMC ... by that I mean in terms of squeezing out efficiency of the theoretical BW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaber
AMD should have unlocked the PII 920 and PII 925 too :(
Especially the PII 925, it would probably be able to reach higher clocks than the 940 and 920 cause of the lower heat dissipation.
My guess is another unlocked Phenom II clocked at 3.2GHz would follow a few months after that, maybe around April/May timeframe. But we'll see.
Theres no assumption, its logical reasoning... what did more bandwidth gave you on Phenom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaber
From ddr2-800 to dd2r-1200 there was virtually no improvment on most desktop apps (winrar aside :p: )
You won't notice any difference with ddr3, even with ddr3-2000.
Servers on the other hand will love bandwidth fir certain situations. :yepp: