now we just need cards worth SLI'ing... lol i couldnt help it ^^ j/k
I guess we ll have to wait and see, how it plays out, nvidia needs to open sli up, or it will cost them market share even moreso, if they re excluded on nehalem.
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now we just need cards worth SLI'ing... lol i couldnt help it ^^ j/k
I guess we ll have to wait and see, how it plays out, nvidia needs to open sli up, or it will cost them market share even moreso, if they re excluded on nehalem.
@ those that had doubts: Did you think i would post news that did not come from a credible source? (even though i had to censor out his/her name) :p:
Thanks Cooper for providing the alternative source :up:
It's ATi time! So who gives a damn about the SLi support. :D
Considering you could just slap an MCP bridge chip on its easy. Its just a 5$ chip and not a 50$+ chipset. But I would hate to have such extra garbage on a board.
Chip itself may be cheap, but the should also be SLI license fee.
Yay for the done deal even though I do not have or want SLI :D
So Intel practically gets SLI on one of their chipset without paying a cent.
I wonder why NVIDIA simply didn't just give SLI to Intel, without any cost and focus upon the increased revenue from GPU sales.
It works somehow for AMD...
I guess you misinterpreted the article. x58 does not get SLI. Motherboard vendors can implement SLI support using nforce 200/400 chipsQuote:
Originally Posted by Seraphiel
1 Extra hot chip, 1 extra heatsink, 1 truckload of issues and so on for absolutely no reason. No wonder the environment is going t the bollocks. And pay more for...the same...
No, Intel didn't get SLI but in effect they kinda did. Intel benefits from vendors implementing SLI nonetheless, without paying for it themselves. They'll sell more chipsets because of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
OT: yo man i swear to god ur avatar freaks me out everytime i see it... if im not mistaken to me it looks like a 9 year old girl with too much make-up and an 80s sweater about to go to a disco...Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphiel
on topic: i agree with you, but i swear if there are driver issues i won't hesitate for one second to switch over the ATI because nvidia is being a :banana::banana::banana::banana:... i love there products but at what point does corporate responsibility come into play?
just another article here, may be with the same source as OP:
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=299867
so this is the disgusting part: NVidia could just "allow" SLI to run on X58 boards by not disabling it with software (drivers) means; but instead, they want to force mb vendors to still buy their bloody chip and implement it on Intel chipset mobos, like they did on the Skulltrail, which will make the cards obviously more expensive for us users :rolleyes: Wonder what stops them from making complete boards for Nehalem if they really acquired QPI..maybe a cheaper deal with Intel happened...anyone?Quote:
As we already know, SLI technology is nothing other than disabling support using software means. NVIDIA, by enabling SLI support with a so called hardware chip is just going to add more costs to manufacturers who intend to develope Intel X58 boards that supports both CrossFire and SLI.
edit: source here is OCW
edit again: When are these guys (@ NVidia) going to finally give up that dishonest mess and let SLI run just as it should on Intel boards :confused: this is going to make them more and more unpopular...I hope :D . One last thing: couldn't NVidia be sued for such a marketing policy? I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet. Answer is probably that Intel makes much more money with licensing...they're all bastards :D...
I'm starting to believe that an association of consumers could sue NVidia - and may be Intel as well...- about this SLI story. Only thing is to prove - and from what I've read it's been already proven - that SLI can technically run on Intel Chipset boards without any NVidia crap.
Bring on X58 SLI is all I can say.
Too bad their quality control hasn't. Competition is healthy no doubt, but Nvidia don't really learn much from their past mistakes. 680i was buggy as hell....so what did they do ? Release one of the major causes of the bugs (the Southbridge from the 570i) onto the 780i. I'd rather competition from a company that is actually trying to improve their product rather then a company who thinks because it has SLI on it, it will sell regardless of how crap the actual board is.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
You get boards that work out of the box a lot more then any Nvidia chipset, for one.Quote:
if you hand over intel the reins what do you get
lots of chipset revisions for every new CPU generation, overpriced chipsets and lack of effort to make any real change for generations
Overpriced ?
Hmm 750i = $240 AU or P45 P5Q Pro = $150 AU
780i = $290 or X38 = Under $200 (of comparable quality)
790i = $462 or X48 (Gigabyte X48t DQ6) = $330
Lack of change ? See my first point. Not to mention why does Intel need to change when there chipsets worked really well with there CPUs ?
Anyway, in it's current state, Nvidia's chipset business isn't putting pressure on Intel to innovate because of the small market share they have and there constant release of buggy chipsets that aren't ready for retail. With Nvidia there or not, makes no difference to Intel regarding chipsets.
GPUs on the other hand are a different story..but that's not for this thread.
yep...CPU init error on 680i...data corruption on 790i...fsb issues + Raid issues as well on 780i...sounds like NVidia can't afford risking losing customers by making crap motherboards again...less risky for them to sell PCIe bridges for X58...hope this will not make the boards unstable...
Right, we wouldn't be talking about all this now if their GPUs were not that good...
Well since SLI and dual monitors works on quadro - you know that's another "marketing" inability on regular SLI systems and Gforce gpu's.
Nvidia really is just a marketing company. And as the veil wears thin - you can see it more and more.
Anyway they should both enable SLI on X58 AND work on making chipsets that are much more solid. If they made a good, solid chipset at a competetive price, they would sell, even without SLI.
Hehe, regarding the Quadros. You need a SLI board to get SLI with a pair of 8800 cards. But with the same GPU, memory etc. It works flawlessly on X38, X975 etc if there is a quadro sticker on.
Buy giving them "SLI on a chip", nvidia is still able to exert some control over how SLI is implemented.
But according to what I read, it seems that since the NF4 chipset, nvidia's chipsets have been doing downhill. What is the status on the supposed 'data corruption' seen in the 6, 7 series of chipsets?
i've owned 3 680i's and never came across data corruption???
fill me in?
boards being
asus p5n32e-sli, p5n32e-sli plus, and an evga 680i A1
i dont think this is such a good move from Nvidia they should just concentrate on improving their own motherboards hell they just keep getting better and better from where they started off
http://www.nforcershq.com/nvidia-nfo...pset-problems/Quote:
Originally Posted by nosboost300
I'd agree with dinos22 on the "competition" issue. Its a good thing, and it works both ways. With the next gen Intel x58 having access to SLI Nividia will have to step up its quality and price competitively. I probably would have have given 590 a try if the big bang/buck P45 hadn't roared just as ATI started to flex its muscle. I still might since my 680i has provided nothing but smiles, but pricing will have to come down a bit more on 590 and new 200 series cards. :D
So is this a quid pro quo deal wherein now Nvidia will full cooperation with Intel in developing their own chipset for Nehalem?
perhaps its cuz i never used raid.. who knows, maybe i'm just lucky? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
first 680i i ever ordered was doa.. returned it and got a gigabyte ds3-R.. lol
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http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=65448
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Bloomfield + SLI: Possible
Industry sources indicate that NVIDIA has acquired a QPI license to manufacture desktop core-logic (chipset) for the upcoming Nehalem-based processors. NVIDIA looks at a quick-fix solution to offer SLI support for the upcoming LGA-1366 motherboards. It's too late for them to prepare a full-fledged chipset since X58 is dressing up to go to office and that's slated for as early as Q4, 2008. The quick-fix solution is that NVIDIA offers a certain chip that can be used on X58 motherboards that allows those boards to support NVIDIA SLI. This solution is in many respects similar to the Intel D5400XS "Skulltrail" board, where two NForce 200 (BR-04) chips were used alongside the Intel 5400A northbridge that allowed 2-way SLI. The NVIDIA BR-04 chip costs US $30 for motherboard manufacturers.
As for Lynnfield, NVIDIA will try to debut a full-fledged LGA-1160 motherboard since there is ample time to work on that. The quick-fix ensures that when LGA-1366 X58 does come out, and NVIDIA doesn't have a chipset ready, the advantage of multi-GPU doesn't go to ATI since X58 supports ATI Crossfire and is already touted to support 4-way ATI Crossfire X technology. LGA-1160 boards lack QuickPath interconnect as a chipset bus. Since NVIDIA lacks access to QuickPath technology, it can continue to use its competitive HyperTransport link which it's been using since the NForce 2 days.
Don't expect too many of these SLI LGA 1366 boards soon though. Reason being that each BR-04 chip costs $30, requires motherboard makers to re-design their motherboards (since most vendors seem to be ready with their X58 board designs), and a redesign would push back entry by a few months (for release of these SLI supportive boards).
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-07...nehsli_thm.jpg
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@ mascaras: very nice post, thanks for all the infos :up:
According to 780i and 790i members here it is fixed [yay].Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
That's what I said as well on page 1. I know which board I would buy [Intel].Quote:
Originally Posted by rockqc