Rampage Formula and a 45nm CPU? READ THIS!

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05-30-2008, 07:34 PM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by Praz

The only reason I mentioned DFI is as far as I know they have the only boards that allow VCORE to change when the voltage is manually set and C1E is enaabled. This in conjunction with VDROOP allows for a completely stable overclock without excessive voltages at idle or under a load.

Can you give me some links to see the results? Changing vcore when manually selected in BIOS is something I lost in the P4 era. I miss it so much...
05-30-2008, 07:55 PM
Warpcore

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Originally Posted by TehPwn

Im about to set up my Rampage Formula with my eon X3350 which I am planning on getting to 3.8GHz, I am really worried about this! You think a BIOS flash would fix it? Anyone tried? Thanks, TehPwn!

Well I wouldn't let it scare you to much.For right now just turn off LLC and you'll be fine.Also 3.6 to 3.8 is a good overclock.4 gigs might be pushing the extreme on some cpu's.Keep following this thread and others to see any updates on the information.
Yes I think a Bios flash (could) fix the problem.There are some very smart Guys here that know what's going on.So you might not want to jump right in on the very first day and try that 3.8 Ghz.

With LLC off I don't have to many problems.I've made it to 475 fsb and 4 Ghz on the cpu.But LLC is off with the Vcore at 1.42v's.The vcore dropped only .02 volts.Then I backed off for now to stock speed till I learn a bit more from the Best of the Best.
05-30-2008, 08:02 PM
Praz

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Can you give me some links to see the results? Changing vcore when manually selected in BIOS is something I lost in the P4 era. I miss it so much...

Sent you a pm.
05-30-2008, 09:59 PM
Lestat

looks to me like you boys need to turn off C1/E1 and EIST

the EPU is not active unless C1/E1 EIST or other throttling is active or you have that stupid software enabled.

Or its active whether you want it to or not because asus screwed it up (which i would never believe... nnnooo.. )

how many of you have C1/E1 EISt enabled ???
05-31-2008, 03:51 AM
RealTelstar

I haven't got my board yet and this topic is worrying me.
Could a p5e dlx be flashed to the rampage bios and in that case, would LLC still be working?

The reason I want this board is to play with the tRD.

PS: Brama which revision says on your pcb? 1.00G?

Edit: typo, tRC for tRD)
05-31-2008, 04:25 AM
003

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Originally Posted by Lestat

looks to me like you boys need to turn off C1/E1 and EIST

the EPU is not active unless C1/E1 EIST or other throttling is active or you have that stupid software enabled.

Or its active whether you want it to or not because asus screwed it up (which i would never believe... nnnooo.. )

how many of you have C1/E1 EISt enabled ???

I have C1E and ThermalManagement (or whatever its called) both disabled; the option for EIST disappears when you are overclocking.

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Originally Posted by RealTelstar

I haven't got my board yet and this topic is worrying me.
Could a p5e dlx be flashed to the rampage bios and in that case, would LLC still be working?

The reason I want this board is to play with the tRC.

PS: Brama which revision says on your pcb? 1.00G?

I was also wondering if it would be possible to flash with P5E Deluxe bios. Would somebody be a guinea pig? AFAIK the Rampage Formula is supposed to have some BIOS restore features in case it gets corrupted, so if it fails I think the board would not be lost. 1.00G is the newest revision as far as I've seen. It's what I have.
05-31-2008, 05:08 AM
RealTelstar

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Originally Posted by 003

I have C1E and ThermalManagement (or whatever its called) both disabled; the option for EIST disappears when you are overclocking.

I was also wondering if it would be possible to flash with P5E Deluxe bios. Would somebody be a guinea pig? AFAIK the Rampage Formula is supposed to have some BIOS restore features in case it gets corrupted, so if it fails I think the board would not be lost. 1.00G is the newest revision as far as I've seen. It's what I have.

I'm thinking the other way around: get a p5e dlx and flash it with the rampage bios. That if it is NOT a bios problem but a hardware one.

People flashed the p5e x38 board with the rampage formula with great success.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=2092923

Edit: provided link
05-31-2008, 06:02 AM
The Asgard

I had the same problem with my Formula. Fine under prime but would randomly BSOD while loading windows or shutting down. This occured with both my E8400 and Q9450.

Funny thing is I have also had a BSOD while shutting down with my P5K Delux and Q9450 again with LLC enabled. Only happened once so far but might suggest an issue with LLC and 45nm Tech and not a specific board.

The formula was fine with my Q6600
05-31-2008, 01:01 PM
003

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Originally Posted by The Asgard

I had the same problem with my Formula. Fine under prime but would randomly BSOD while loading windows or shutting down. This occured with both my E8400 and Q9450.

Funny thing is I have also had a BSOD while shutting down with my P5K Delux and Q9450 again with LLC enabled. Only happened once so far but might suggest an issue with LLC and 45nm Tech and not a specific board.

The formula was fine with my Q6600

So the P5E Deluxe suffers from the same issue, and it is not isolated to 45nm quads. How do we jointly contact Asus about this and alert them to the problem?
05-31-2008, 01:42 PM
RealTelstar

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Originally Posted by 003

So the P5E Deluxe suffers from the same issue, and it is not isolated to 45nm quads. How do we jointly contact Asus about this and alert them to the problem?

He didnt say he had a p5e deluxe.
05-31-2008, 01:44 PM
003

Oh, he said P5K. My bad. This is really aggravating because Asus is not responding to any of my support tickets about this.
05-31-2008, 02:20 PM
motopen1s

same here... waiting for a new bios version, for now - just lowered an overclock a bit
05-31-2008, 05:23 PM
doodah10

I am running a Rampage Formula with a Xeon X3350 @ 3.8GHz on air. I've had mine to 3.92GHz long enough to get a CPUZ capture of it. I've had the blue screens at idle but they are so far apart I didn't realize the board had a problem until reading this thread.

I have had these bouts where the Asus Probe alarm goes off for 3 to 7 "beeps" then stops. The culprit is the Vcore has dropped to 0.3v according to probe II but it has never bluescreened while the alarm was sounding and I have LLC disabled. I'm still using the 219 BIOS and I have the 401 but I haven't really found a thread reporting 401 changed or fixed much of anything so I've been hesitant to try it.
05-31-2008, 05:47 PM
TehPwn

Hey, doodah10, thanks for your input man, Please could you tell me the BIOS voltage and CPU settings etc, as I have the same board and chip and Cooler and even the same PSU! WOW! LOL! Anyway if you could do that for me id appreciate it man :), thanks, TehPwn!
05-31-2008, 06:24 PM
003

I have created a thread on the official Asus forums regarding this issue. Here is the link:
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...80601093315468

Please anybody feel free to contribute or help alert Asus to this problem and get some kind of official response.
06-01-2008, 05:00 AM
doodah10

TehPwn,
I got to 546FSB on Auto everything except CPU ratio and FSB freq. Haven't been close since. Have done the R&R of NB cooler tube and thermal paste. Now pretty stable at 3.8GHz. Here are the only settings not auto or default on extreme tweaker page and advanced CPU page. Volts settings in ( ) are Asus Probe values with Prime95 running.

Ai OC Tuner.............Man
CPU ratio...............8.0
FSB freq................475
PCIe....................108
DRAM freq...............950
DRAM timing ctrl........Man
5
5
5
15
DRAM static read ctrl...Dis
CPU volt................1.375(1.31)
NB volt.................Auto(1.62)
DRAM volts..............Auto(2.06)
FSB termination volts...Auto(1.4)
SB volts................Auto(1.075)
LLC.....................Dis
CPU spread spec.........Dis
PCIe spread spec........Dis

____end of Xtreme teaker____

advanced CPU page
C1E support.............Enabled
All else ...............Dis

If anyone see's something wrong or risky with these settings speak up.
06-01-2008, 06:22 AM
TehPwn

Thanks doodah! So you left North Bridge Auto it seems? LOL, was that a typo with 1.8GHz meaning 3.8 there lol, thanks, TehPwn! My X3350 comes next week, so im egar to try it out!
06-01-2008, 07:56 AM
003

Please do NOT change the subject of this thread.
06-01-2008, 02:39 PM
The Asgard

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Originally Posted by 003

Oh, he said P5K. My bad. This is really aggravating because Asus is not responding to any of my support tickets about this.

Definately an issue with the P5K Delux ( P35 ). I have disabled LLC and dropped the FSB by 5 to achieve the same prime stability. Will see how it goes.
06-01-2008, 03:44 PM
bigslappy

:p >
06-01-2008, 04:13 PM
GbrilliantQ

I voted no.

I haven't had a problem running LLC, my QX9650 has been running perferctly

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=369192

4.4ghz
06-02-2008, 12:37 PM
003

Don't let this thread die, perhaps it should be a sticky, if only in the intel support section.
06-03-2008, 03:27 AM
DEFLORATOR

Yesterday received my Rampage Formula. Board made in April 2008 (serial starts with 84xxxxxxx), made in China, rev 1.00G, came with bios 0219.
Installed my Q9450 C1 in it, flashed the latest 0403 bios, so far works perfect. LLC is on. For 24 hours haven't noticed any crashes or BSODs under no load (and under load either, very stable board).
My previous P5K Premium also was flawless in this respect, were no problems with LLC enabled.
06-03-2008, 04:37 AM
003

I also have a Q9450 C1, and the 0403 BIOS, and a revision 1.00G board, and a s/n beginning with 84, and I have the problem badly. I sent a third ticket to Asus about the issue, and they have not responded to any of them.
06-03-2008, 08:31 PM
DEFLORATOR

So, my system is up for 48 hours already since I assembled it, must state that so far I haven't encountered any BSOD promlem under no load with LLC enabled. Using both XP x64 SP2 and Vista x64 SP1 with latest drivers and updates. I was overclocking, playing games, testing, benchmarking and leaving machine idle for many hours, no BSOD problem. In fact I haven't ever seen any BSOD on RF, maybe because I used stable settings during overclocking from my previous P5K Premium, so I knew limits of my hardware.
My config:
"Native" Asus RF rev 1.00G, bios 0403
CPU Core 2 Duo Q9450 C1 cache 12mb @ 3520mHz (440*8) @ 1.35v
Cooler Scythe Mugen
DDR2 2*1024mb PC2-8500 OCZ Platinum SLI Ready OCZ2N10661G in white slots @ 1050mhz (5-5-4-15-54) @ 2.04v
DDR2 2*2048mb PC2-8500 OCZ Platinum OCZ2P10662G in blue slots @ 1050mhz (5-5-4-15-54) @ 2.04v
MSI nv8800Ultra 768mb @ 675/1728/2160mHz
Raid-controller Adaptec ASR-3405 PCI-Ex4 128mb
HDD 2*147gb SAS Fujitsu MBA3147RC 15000rpm 16mb raid0
HDD 2*80gb Samsung HD080HJ SATAII 8mb raid0
Sound Creative X-Fi ElitePro 64mb
TV-Tuner Beholder M6 Extra MPEG-2 Encoder
DVD-RW SATA Optiarc AD-7203S
DVD-RW IDE LG H22L
Case Thermaltake Eureka Aluminum
Powesupply FSP Epsilon 700wt

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