GeForce GTX 280 is Three Times Faster in F@H than HD3870

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05-23-2008, 01:21 PM
Hornet331

i wonder with what cpu they compare it... and what the y-scale has as untis. I only can read xx/day i hope i doesn't mean WU/day. If so its a joke by nv...
05-23-2008, 01:29 PM
metro.cl

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Originally Posted by perkam

Welcome to XtremeSystems :)

I`m assuming you just joined up if you have yet to discover that gains from mutli-gpu are not linear :)

On another note, it will be the 4870 going head to head with the 9900 GTX, not the 3870.

Perkam

Perk for F@H it shoudl scale close to linear.
05-23-2008, 01:56 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by metro.cl

Perk for F@H it shoudl scale close to linear.

Really 0_o Didn'nt really assume that.

Although, with Nvidia's F@H solution not even out yet, It`s a little pre-mature to take company slides at face value, against a previous gen competitor at that.

Perkam
05-23-2008, 01:57 PM
zanzabar

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Originally Posted by metro.cl

Perk for F@H it shoudl scale close to linear.

cross platform shouldent though should it
05-23-2008, 02:07 PM
Decami

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Originally Posted by azza21

I am always sceptical about the results a company is showing when it comes to promoting there own product. Its never an equal setup, 9/10 times there testing setup is in favour of the of there own product. I will wait for the websites reviews and benches.

Yeah but, in the present position, Nvidia has no reason to lie or falsify results. Hell they could say 50% faster and people would look in awh. Both GFX companies have cheated in the past, this is true, but under very different circumstances.
05-23-2008, 02:14 PM
metro.cl

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Originally Posted by zanzabar

cross platform shouldent though should it

You mean Radeons? or what? didnt understand.
05-23-2008, 02:28 PM
zanzabar

i mean the gforce to radeons, it shouldent be a linear comparison, some of the runs should favor one or the other and the results shouldent linear in relation to flops (i assume thats the only metric here)
05-23-2008, 04:30 PM
Boissez

Can't read the article... Are those numbers based on theoretical musings or are they based on the NVIDIA F@H GPU beta?
05-23-2008, 05:14 PM
halo112358

I love how we're comparing the next gen nvidia card to the current gen ATI card. When we see a 280 vs a 4870 and 4870x2 I'll pay more attention. Hell, I'd like to see a g92 and g80 in that chart too. I have a funny feeling g80/g92 is probably right there with the 3870.
05-23-2008, 05:24 PM
zanzabar

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Originally Posted by halo112358

I love how we're comparing the next gen nvidia card to the current gen ATI card. When we see a 280 vs a 4870 and 4870x2 I'll pay more attention. Hell, I'd like to see a g92 and g80 in that chart too. I have a funny feeling g80/g92 is probably right there with the 3870.

it should be like solid works, auto cad, or maya were ati thrives, NV is a gaming platform
05-23-2008, 05:28 PM
[XC] 2long4u

3X the folding power doesn't mean 3X the points per day.
The gpu clients are only about 500ppd because they can only get very specific work units.
05-23-2008, 05:49 PM
halo112358

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Originally Posted by zanzabar

it should be like solid works, auto cad, or maya were ati thrives, NV is a gaming platform

IDK - I'm kind of skeptical there, the big deal about the 2X0 series was that they went to a more general stream processor design than g80/g92. I'm wondering where it is vs ATI's stream processing tech, but I guess we'll see soon enough.

lolol, I bet at some point we're going to see each company cheating ala the old driver optimizations for various benchmarks.
05-23-2008, 08:09 PM
STEvil

Since nobody brought this up yet:

The points system for F@H is a mess. Work unites score based on what hardware you're running them on, not the actual speed each processes them.
05-24-2008, 12:18 AM
gallag

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Originally Posted by Circaflex

i could care less

see this all the time about here:D.

You are saying that you do care.

I think you mean "I could not care less"

or "I couldn't care less"

Sorry to be a grammar Nazi, And if the truth be told it is somewhat hypocritical of me as I am often wrong myself. I am just trying to point out a really common error.
05-24-2008, 01:08 AM
hillywav

so...

nvidia now sort of sumtin like this?

http://i32.tinypic.com/23rzhl.jpg
05-24-2008, 01:24 AM
Calmatory

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Originally Posted by hillywav

so...

nvidia now sort of sumtin like this?

http://i32.tinypic.com/23rzhl.jpg

Yeah, 3x faster than the old, mid range tech. No so convincing IMO. :shrug:
05-24-2008, 02:29 AM
ToTTenTranz

What a lame-ish and fud-ish presentation, comparing the competition's previous generation mid-range to their yet-to-be-released top-range..

I wonder if this happened because nVidia is actually afraid of the RV7xx.
05-24-2008, 02:35 AM
K404

Y'know- it would be nice if the people being shown these presentations (from all major companies, not just nV) could stand up and point out the most glaring omissions/skewed facts etc without fear of the company going in the huff and kicking them off the early view/play/bench list

audience member- "Wheres the 8800GTS in that lineup, or any last-gen nV card for that matter?"

nV: "Doors behind you, GTFO"
05-24-2008, 02:56 AM
s0lid

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Originally Posted by perkam

Welcome to XtremeSystems :)

I`m assuming you just joined up if you have yet to discover that gains from mutli-gpu are not linear :)

On another note, it will be the 4870 going head to head with the 9900 GTX, not the 3870.

Perkam

Yea but if those GPUs are runned in non sli then those numbers might be near to my calculations :)
05-24-2008, 03:24 AM
BulldogPO

When that will be releaset to public?

BTW, someone have to code version for QMC.
05-24-2008, 05:20 AM
trinibwoy

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

What a lame-ish and fud-ish presentation, comparing the competition's previous generation mid-range to their yet-to-be-released top-range..

I wonder if this happened because nVidia is actually afraid of the RV7xx.

True, they really should've waited for AMD to send them a few early 4870 samples to use in their presentation. I know I would have.....

And it is really lame of them to show numbers from their upcoming products at a conference about their upcoming products. How dastardly!
05-24-2008, 05:47 AM
GoThr3k

everyone is forgetting that the GT200 will fight the 4870X2
lets assume a single 4870 is 50% faster then an 3870 (50% more shaders, 50%more TMU, higher shader clock, high speed DDR5)
A GT200 would be twice as fast as a single 4870 (300% / 150% = 2)
So it will be equally as fast as a 4870X2 (F@H scales quite linear)
i dont realize how this is such awesome new?
05-24-2008, 06:20 AM
Scimitar

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Originally Posted by STEvil

Since nobody brought this up yet:

The points system for F@H is a mess. Work unites score based on what hardware you're running them on, not the actual speed each processes them.

Hardly. The points system in F@H is fine. They use a variety of different clients and work units types (much more so than any other DC project). Some clients produce more valuable information than others. This is taken into account with the points system.
05-24-2008, 06:20 AM
Nuker_

I hope it is better than this or I hope F@H favors ATI cards, because GTX280 won't be faster than 9800GX2, and certainly not HD4870X2 if it will look like this in gaming.
05-24-2008, 01:54 PM
metro.cl

Quote:

Originally Posted by zanzabar

i mean the gforce to radeons, it shouldent be a linear comparison, some of the runs should favor one or the other and the results shouldent linear in relation to flops (i assume thats the only metric here)

Not sure how they measured it, but this Gefore is looking like a monster.

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

True, they really should've waited for AMD to send them a few early 4870 samples to use in their presentation. I know I would have.....

And it is really lame of them to show numbers from their upcoming products at a conference about their upcoming products. How dastardly!

You honestly think AMD owould have sent NVIDIA a card that is yet to be released, and not high end, to be put against the high end?

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Originally Posted by GoThr3k

everyone is forgetting that the GT200 will fight the 4870X2
lets assume a single 4870 is 50% faster then an 3870 (50% more shaders, 50%more TMU, higher shader clock, high speed DDR5)
A GT200 would be twice as fast as a single 4870 (300% / 150% = 2)
So it will be equally as fast as a 4870X2 (F@H scales quite linear)
i dont realize how this is such awesome new?

Maybe becasue NVIDIA didnt support F@H before? + shows the power of the new card.

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Originally Posted by Nuker_

I hope it is better than this or I hope F@H favors ATI cards, because GTX280 won't be faster than 9800GX2, and certainly not HD4870X2 if it will look like this in gaming.

How can you claim that? you got all 3 cards? and tested them?

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