Are you sure, that with the Koolance fittings, that you didn't buy G3/8 fittings for 1/2" ID tubing? The threading on the bottom looks too big to be G1/4" like the Alphacool on the left.
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Are you sure, that with the Koolance fittings, that you didn't buy G3/8 fittings for 1/2" ID tubing? The threading on the bottom looks too big to be G1/4" like the Alphacool on the left.
after a bit of research, I think its an ID / OD issue...
the alphacool fittings are for 10mm OD (8mm ID) tube, the koolance fittings look like they are for 10mm ID tube...
I didnt even realise there was a difference.... I thought 3/8 is 3/8 is 3/8
This is going to be one tough build.... So I wish you all the best! Since I've owned this case for a year+ and had about 4 different builds with it, I'm going to throw some ideas out that I've learned...
1) Bottom Section: If you plan to throw two rads down there.. The best temps I was able to pull out where using push/pull on both rads.. Trying different setups I've found it hurt temps breaking up the flow, so have the flow consistent... If we're pulling air from the front, then allow that flow to continue through the case. My first build was having each rad pull fresh air from outside the case through the rad and actually ended up going through the case and INCREASED ambient temps because the hot air "went up".. We all know 21.11C = 70 F (ambient temp) and this is standard temps in my room. So setting up the rads this way actually increased temps by 6-13 degrees.. And yes, this kept temps "cooler" for a short period of time until room temps increased from all the hot air (lack of circulation).. So run the 480 front fans pulling & 480 rear pushing... And then if you decide to throw a 220 behind it, do it the same way so air enters the front and exits the rear... Doing this virtually eliminates any air rising from the bottom portion. Then if we decide to W/C everything like I've done, you'll literally have minimal heat dump as long as we use quality hardware of course...
2) Buy some AC Ryan Mesh and "rebuild" the screens on the side panels.. The stock mesh panels, which allows fresh air into the case, is very restrictive when water cooling.. For a basic server type / air cooled / non-over clocked rig, they're great... But if we're trying to get every ounce of performance out of the hardware, invest in something new.. I went with this:
3) Lastly the top portion has minimal space to throw a rad and fans up there.. At least with the boards I've purchased (Evga 680, DFI P35, DFI X48, Evga 790i etc..), leaves with you literally millimeters of space or no space at all to actually run a rad and fans up top... Yeah of course I could have figured out someway by throwing the rad outside the case but I didn't want it like that. Case is huge BUT isn't a cube type case (compared to my MM Case) where you have plenty of room throughout the case...
Hope this helps...
BRY
thanks Sickboy...
forgive me if this is a noob question, but is this what you mean by push-pull?
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lol push/pull means there are fans on both sides of the rad moving air in the SAME direction. one fan pushes the air into the rad and the other pulls air out of itQuote:
Originally Posted by b@llz0r
So, do you mean allowing a draw from, let's say, the right side of the case and continuing through the both rads and associated fans and out the left side of the case?
If so, aren't you heating the second rad with the discharge from the first?
Personally, I'm thinking better performance is gained by cutting a bottm center air hole, and then drawing air up in the middle and out through both rads and out the sides of the case...as this..
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7...rearib9.th.jpg
This is my TJ07 plan, but I'm new at it, so not certain. Also, the fins outlined are my idea to ensure stable, continuous airflow to both rads, separating them from each other.
Other comments (other than I love your plan for this TJ07), is that you may want to NOT use a common resevoir for both loops. Just asked that question here last week and was told to avoid mixing temps by dumping water into one res. I plan on using two XSPC res-top DDC-2 pumps mounted exactly where your pumps are. I may move them back outside the bay mounts so that they can be seen through the side window though. They look quite nice. That also saves me two bay mount spaces for fan controllers.
Also, one of the previous posters is probably right, putting all three GPUs in sequence is probably goint to make the last card hot as hell. If there is a way to run them in parallel without screwing up flow too much, you might wanna try that route. Is there a triple tubing splitter on the market?
I'm also using the CFP52 Silverstone 5.25 converter in the front, although I'm trying to figure out how to mount it as low as possible to allow good cross-flow from low front to rear high.
thanks for the comments...
I like your idea for drawing air up through the bottom of the case... you could even put some kind of filter along the bottom to stop the dust.
you could probably use turning vanes like they do in aircon ducts to turn the air rather than full height dividers
http://www.durodynecanada.ca/canada/...nector/vr1.jpg
koolance make a 4 way splitter which can be 3 way if you blank one outlet off
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=392
I might do some testing on your split res comment.... as i have allready bought the double bay res :/
upd8ed
nice, i wanted to put two rads on the bottom but my PSU is too long for a 240GTX on the back side.
glad you went with GTXs i got a single 360GTX on my system, and its runs great. i had the same
idea with the 184GTX on the back but i didnt get a round to trying it, and plus looks like there would
be a lot of complication b/c i also wanted a top mounted rad. space wise, especially with 3/4" OD tubes
good luck, looks like a good build
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Fantastic build!
Judging by the updated pics, by installing a quad radiator room certainly vanishes at the bottom of the TJ-07 considering the size of the case!
I would be more inclined to use a triple radiator and offset it against the dual radiator so as to not use elbow fittings (ie slide the triple radiator all the way towards the PSU and the dual radiator the other way); are elbow fittings still considered restrictive?
Keep up the great work!
Wow, this is an amazing idea! I could probably stick in a line of 2 or 3 92mm fans in the middle of my case at the bottom if I put in the holes and had one rad on push, the other on pull. I had actually been debating plans about putting 120mm holes and taking 120mm vents that ran the hot air from the radiator down and out the bottom, away from the other rad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hijack
But that would have removed the fresh air that the second rad needs anyway. Truly, awesome idea, I'd love to see if it actually produces good temps.
Well like i stated earlier, I've thought the same way when it comes to drawing warmer air across the 2nd rad behind the first so I basically did what you're doing, having fresh air "sucked" into the case.. The PROBLEM is the hot air rises into the MOBO compartment and increases the ambient temps and everything inside.. So having the two rads in a push/pull config, didn't really increase temps at all. Now I'm not big on silence.. Yeah it would be great to get the clocks/performance with little to no sound, but it's not important to me... So all my fans are maxed and in turn circulating sooo much air, that the air is cool enough to decrease water temps. My water temps were 1 degree C going this route BUT ambients were 8-10 degrees C (on average) higher.. So I'll take 1 degree higher on the outlet water temps versus my CPU block outlet running hotter.
***Now if you can control the air temp inside the case after allowing the air to rise, all the more power to you.. My biggest concern is how!!! How can we control the air temp allowing this air to rise.. Are we going to insulate so it doesn't affect ambients temps?? Size is going to be a huge concern knowing how much you got in the case and knowing how much you wanna install. So if you can work up an idea that allows the rad to suck fresh air in from the outside and then rise through the MOBO area and outside the top mesh w/o affecting ambient temps, GREAT!!!!! This would be the best way BUT aesthetically seems null... I'd truly enjoy to hear the ideas because it sounds interesting buddy...
BRY
Originally Posted by Hijack View Post
So, do you mean allowing a draw from, let's say, the right side of the case and continuing through the both rads and associated fans and out the left side of the case?
If so, aren't you heating the second rad with the discharge from the first?
Personally, I'm thinking better performance is gained by cutting a bottm center air hole, and then drawing air up in the middle and out through both rads and out the sides of the case...as this..
This is my TJ07 plan, but I'm new at it, so not certain. Also, the fins outlined are my idea to ensure stable, continuous airflow to both rads, separating them from each other.
Other comments (other than I love your plan for this TJ07), is that you may want to NOT use a common resevoir for both loops. Just asked that question here last week and was told to avoid mixing temps by dumping water into one res. I plan on using two XSPC res-top DDC-2 pumps mounted exactly where your pumps are. I may move them back outside the bay mounts so that they can be seen through the side window though. They look quite nice. That also saves me two bay mount spaces for fan controllers.
Also, one of the previous posters is probably right, putting all three GPUs in sequence is probably goint to make the last card hot as hell. If there is a way to run them in parallel without screwing up flow too much, you might wanna try that route. Is there a triple tubing splitter on the market?
I'm also using the CFP52 Silverstone 5.25 converter in the front, although I'm trying to figure out how to mount it as low as possible to allow good cross-flow from low front to rear high.
Maybe to prevent the hot air rising into the motherboard area place a piece of 1mm thick aluminium covering the large holes in the divider? That is, cut it to size so that it fits between both edges and the length is from the back of the case to the beginning of the 5.25" bay supporting sides? This is what I am going to be doing in the next few weeks.
Regards
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7...rearib9.th.jpg
Looking at the diagram, I'm not sure how you feel warm air would get up into the MB compartment? That's the whole purpose of not putting any rads up there...I hate arbitrarily warming the air up there.
The air comes in the bottom of the case (you don't need fans to draw the air in by the way, since the "pull" configuration of the fans taks care of this easily). The air is pulled through both rads, and vented out the sides of bottom compartment of the case into the room...not the MB compartment
Now, the fins do two things. First, the primary center "T" of the "fin box" separates airflow from the two radiators, so the pull configuration on both does not try to steal air from the other rad. Next, the set of angled fins helps ensure even airflow all the way up the rad fins, rather than having strongest airflow only at the bottom of the rad.
updated
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Originally Posted by b@llz0r
After a bit more tinkering this evening it turns out its actually a :thumbsdown:
:(
Those rubber vibration mounts are too long... Ill just go back to bolting the bracket directly to the floor.
Well that definitely stinks :down::down:Quote:
Originally Posted by b@llz0r
Get some rubber/neoprene washers instead. :up:
updated!
nice work on that res/pump solution!
looking good...
The res you made looks real nice in the front of the Tj07 :up:
thanks, but I didnt make it... its danger den... I'm just modding it a little
love the reservoir Idea. the koolance gun metal colour looks great.:up: