9800GTX is CHEAP

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03-13-2008, 10:17 AM
SamHughe

Still. I'd rather pick up another 8800gtx (if their prices go down around $200-$250) and try tri-sli so I can run Crysis at 20fps (I know it's an optimistic estimate ;) )
03-13-2008, 10:17 AM
[XC] gomeler

Price it correctly and they will sell. $300 to $350 would be a very good launching price and let it settle around $300 to $275 in a months time and these will sell like hot-cakes. With the HD3870 priced below $200 and the 8800GTS 512MB priced below $200, there is no room for a $400 single-GPU card now unless it brought monster performance, which it doesn't.
03-13-2008, 10:22 AM
sonofander

for under $300, I'd be in for 2... we all know better though. We'll be seeing a $400 pricetag at launch. At that price? No thanks!

I'll keep rocking my single 8800 GTX knowing that even though my 3dmark scores may not be the best, my FPS in game are just fine :D
03-13-2008, 10:39 AM
Houdini

Why dosn't the 9800gtx has 768 or more ram?
03-13-2008, 10:43 AM
hardrail

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Originally Posted by Houdini

Why dosn't the 9800gtx has 768 or more ram?

Costs more to produce. Quite a bit more.
03-13-2008, 10:54 AM
Hobbes2oo

If this 9800gtx is supposed to be cheap does that mean that not only can I step-up my EVGA 512 gts's to a supposedly better card but I could get money back too? WHOO the best of both worlds. :P
03-13-2008, 10:54 AM
jaredpace

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Originally Posted by Houdini

Why dosn't the 9800gtx has 768 or more ram?

because they will release a g92 variant with 768 to 1024mb of ram (or 2gb) on a 384 or 512bit mem bus, with 32 or 48 rops and 256 shader units later this year. It will be called g100 or gt200 just another "G9x-XXX" code. Its the perfectly plausible design suitable for this chip architecture that people have expected for over a year now. It's release will coincide with that gladiator/thunder/rv770 at some point this year, however I assume it could have been rushed out last November if the market demanded.

(and a 1ghz core and 2.4ghz memory-or faster- gddr4/5)
03-13-2008, 11:24 AM
Leeghoofd

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Originally Posted by Hobbes2oo

If this 9800gtx is supposed to be cheap does that mean that not only can I step-up my EVGA 512 gts's to a supposedly better card but I could get money back too? WHOO the best of both worlds. :P

You NEVER get money back from a step up... read the rules first before you Step up !!
03-13-2008, 11:38 AM
Origin_Unknown

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Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa

When you overclock both cards, the G92 smokes the g80.

can you please give me you're definition of "smokes"? you seem to throw that word around alot.
03-13-2008, 11:42 AM
Sr7

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

That 512MB framebuffer decision nV took for the G9x GPUs will backfire...especially with the 9800GX2.
Some of todays' and future games will fill it up easily and beg for more... and then...performance hits...

But then again...this is how they're trying to keep the Ultra alive ;)

Uh how so? Partners are free to stick 1GB on the boards if they choose, and they happen to simply be doing the same thing with 512MB reference that ATI did. How will it hurt NVIDIA anymore than ATI?
03-13-2008, 11:43 AM
adamsleath

love my 8800gt :D

that slipstreaming on the 9800gtx cooler cowling makes it go faster!!

wont 2x9600gt's "smoke" this thing anyway?

9800gtx = 8800gts512 ultra, imo, but that's already been opinionated by others

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because they will release a g92 variant with 768 to 1024mb of ram (or 2gb) on a 384 or 512bit mem bus, with 32 or 48 rops and 256 shader units later this year. It will be called g100 or gt200 just another "G9x-XXX" code

this is like watching snails in the design tweak department
:yawn2:
but i shouldnt complain...
03-13-2008, 11:44 AM
Origin_Unknown

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Originally Posted by adamsleath

love my 8800gt :D

that slipstreaming on the 9800gtx cooler cowling makes it go faster!!

wont 2x9600gt's "smoke" this thing anyway?

why have two when you can have one with the posibility to add another?
03-13-2008, 11:55 AM
adamsleath

let's see 9800 sli with all the prerty graphs; some reviewer will get around to it sooner or later.

stuck right next to 8800gts512 sli....

oc and stock

i agree a [200-250$, i wish] 8800gtx does sound good. vs 350$ 8800gts ultra....but these sorts of prices are pretty reasonable.

even dual gpu cards arent nearly as expensive as previous top end cards (like 8800ultra/8800gtxon release and before that x1900xtx, x850xt, 7800/7900's, 9800xt's)

but no where near the relative gains in performance of these previous top end cards either.
03-13-2008, 11:59 AM
Drunner611

If the 9800GTX is $299, there is no way they can justify the $200 on the 8800gt. When that goes down to like $150 it will be sweet!
03-13-2008, 12:01 PM
Fujimitsu

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Originally Posted by Drunner611

If the 9800GTX is $299, there is no way they can justify the $200 on the 8800gt. When that goes down to like $150 it will be sweet!

It will definately fall. They've been $180-190 AR for a while now, so after the release-month price gouging on the 9800s the 8800s wil probably drop substantially in price.
03-13-2008, 12:12 PM
adamsleath

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Originally Posted by DerekFSE

This is what lack of competition does, drives the price down :D

:D certainly looks that way :D

while stifling performance improvements:ROTF: and 'forcing' the desperado's to go multi gpu.

but i dont think there is much room to move in nvidia's pricing/lineup...all price segments are being filled up with inbetween products...
03-13-2008, 12:22 PM
JargonGR

I really begin to wonder if PC gaming is heading towards its death and slowly companies like NV and ATI are starting to realise that huge R&D for extremely fast hardware that only a handful of customers buy does not make sense.

Multiplatform games are upon on us and considering that all of these titles must run on PS3 and XBOX360 (heck even wii for some), I really do not expect graphics and game features to go to the extremes for the few of us that would pay for something like that.

Lets be realistic here folks we are facing a worldwide economic crisis do you you honestly expect people to spend 2,000 $ for graphics cards when at the same time more and more bad news regarding oil prices, collapsing housing markets and ever rising oil prices threaten our economic welfare as a whole? I don't think so. In this sense companies adjust their product mix accordingly and will save their very best for when it is needed and right now NVIDIA does not need a G200 product but the best cash cows it can get; hence the 9800GTX (G92) with a new high-endish name to attract new customers at its new more in reach price point.

Just a theory...
03-13-2008, 12:22 PM
xlink

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Originally Posted by JAG87

you guys understand that there is no way a 384-bit card would be this cheap. nvidia and ati finally realized that they aren't selling many $500+ priced graphic cards, and they are lowering the price for almost all of their line up.

look at ati, every card they offer is less than 300 dollars, except the top of the line 3870X2. and now the same with nvidia, every card they offer is less than 400 dollars except the top of the line GX2.

big difference from the 8 series release, where the GTS 640 was 500, and the GTX 768 was 600 at launch! it gave the average joe no chance to get an 8800 series card!

this shows that the GPU market has gone too far with prices, is stagnant, and they need to lower prices. remember, for every 1 of us there are 100 average joes that prefer a cheaper GTX as opposed to a 600 dollar GTX.

we are back to geforce 3 and ati 8500 prices. and its about time.

if anything we're OVER 8800GTX prices. think about it.
if nVidia launched a card which was twice as powerful as the 8800GTX. it'd be $600 and the GTX/GTS512 would go down to $150-200.
03-13-2008, 12:45 PM
deathman20

Clock speed is the only thing that looks impressing but even then... My card far surpases that. Unless they have the voltage up to 1.3V on the card for the core eh. Rather wait for ATI's offering first. At least when ATI went from the 2900 to the 3800's they brought something to the table, by reducing power ALOT in the card. Going from the 8800's to the 9800's yes power dropped a little but limited performance gain doesn't seem to be a stellar buy at all expecially since 8800GT/GTS can OC very nicely and the old 8800GTS and GTX have the more mem and quicker buses.

The bads out weigh the goods in this deal unless they end up being cheap.
03-13-2008, 12:46 PM
bluep3ace

from what i know, the difference between the 98GTX and G92GTS is like the 88U and 88GTX. So nvidia better play smart and make the 98GTX pretty cheap.
03-13-2008, 12:58 PM
hecktic

what happend to the 2048mb version of the 9800 ??
03-13-2008, 01:05 PM
MuffinFlavored

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Originally Posted by AliG

Only thing that upsets me is that they stuck with a 256 bit memory interface, the 384 on the 88gtx made a huge difference for crysis

Very true, with "newer" and "upcoming" technologies, I would like to see a 512-bit memory interface.

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Originally Posted by Cooper

So you call a $350 card cheap? :rolleyes:
Now what NV will charge for GX2 version? :down:

True, $350 could buy food for a family for a week, but I was personally expecting a $600 price tag.

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Originally Posted by SoulsCollective

I'm less than impressed by the whole damn product, never mind the shaders.

I was expecting the GTX name to be raised even higher, some amazing "G100" core, 1GB GDDR5 memory, 512 bit 1TB monster.
03-13-2008, 01:32 PM
Dainas

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Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa

Actually from testing in the 3D section,

When you overclock both cards, the G92 smokes the g80.

Because the G92 can overclock much further, much easier.

Did you even read the quote?

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Originally Posted by AliG

(without ocing taken to account)

In a sense, nomatter how you spin it, this card with its 256-bit bus is a downgrade to the 8800GTX. All the OC'ing in the world does not save the bottom line(stock performance) and also does not save those instances where the 9800GTX's performance takes a nosedive in the face of G80 thanks to its narrow bus. Nvidia knows this, as I've said a billion farking times the reason is the GX2; a 384-bit 9800GTX would take one nasty hack at the GX2's purpose and sellability.
03-13-2008, 01:52 PM
mascaras

here in portugal pre-order = 290€ (so i think around 340$ in US)

regards
03-13-2008, 01:56 PM
eric66

cheap ? so they are selling same 8800gts 512 for 349 which you can get for 239 in newegg and call it cheap :down:

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