Samsung F1 320GB HDD test!

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02-23-2008, 12:15 AM
Zytek_Fan

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Originally Posted by frankR

From what I've read the Hitachi 1TB are fairly reliable.

I hope they are, I have an 8TB RAID6 at work using them, with two hot spares.

Well, people still call them Hitachi Deathstar's :rofl: :shocked:
02-23-2008, 01:22 AM
largon

sokarul,
See the link in post #2 for comparison to 7200.11.
02-23-2008, 02:24 AM
NH|Delph1

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Originally Posted by Starscream

actualy its not.

The 320GB, 640 and 1TB version have these new 334GB platters.

the 250GB, 500GB and 750GB use the old 250GB platters.

So if u wanna get these speeds get the 320, 640 or 1TB version.

Even though that makes more sense, that's not what they're saying in the Tech Report review.

//Andreas
02-23-2008, 02:44 AM
FischOderAal

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Originally Posted by turbox997

Stop hating guys. This is good stuff, I knew about the 1TB drives and it's reviews, but it's still good to see the 320GB review too.

Being single platter has it's advantages, usually more reliable, and it's shame that Samsung did not make this a 10,000RPM HDD to compete in what used to be the Raptor's territory(the Raptor is becoming somewhat obsolete now due to better technology..obviously as 72000RPM's catch up in performance).

why keeps everyone saying "why didn't they make a 10k rpm drive?"

it's not as easy as you think...
02-23-2008, 03:36 AM
Lightman

Quote:

Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

Even though that makes more sense, that's not what they're saying in the Tech Report review.

//Andreas

And from my test I can conclude TechReprot is right :)
250GB/platter drive can't sustain 107MB/s read transfer rates @7200RPM, besides scores showed in first post are perfect match for what I'm getting with my drive :)
02-23-2008, 04:09 AM
largon

Lightman,
Please post a HDTach 32M result screenshot.
:)
02-23-2008, 04:14 AM
Lightman

Quote:

Originally Posted by largon

Lightman,
Please post a HDTach 32M result screenshot.
:)

I would do this now, but unfortunately my main RIG is awaiting new CPU from RMA :( (I bought 9600BE and it was faulty)
It's over 1 week now since I'm without it ...
When I was first testing this drive in DiskSpeed utility it gave me ~108MB/s at the beginning of disk...

I've also googled now looking for some definite answer but what I found was only more questions. No definite answer!:confused:
02-23-2008, 09:19 AM
sokarul

Quote:

Originally Posted by largon

sokarul,
See the link in post #2 for comparison to 7200.11.

Thanks. I didn't check that link.
02-23-2008, 09:36 AM
Psycho_eddie

When can i get two of these for Raid 0 in the UK??

Want to get rid of Raptor X bloody noisy!

Would be faster two of these right?
02-23-2008, 09:39 AM
keiths

320GB F1s are nowhere yet, and WD poorer latency single 320GB platter drive can so far only be found on ebay for $90(us) before shipping.
02-23-2008, 10:37 AM
Starscream

Quote:

Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

Even though that makes more sense, that's not what they're saying in the Tech Report review.

//Andreas

i know but on various forums people that own the 750GB version and the 1TB version compaired read and write speeds and found out that the 750s are all slower then the 1TBs.

Also samsungs own site doesnt say that all F1s use the 334GB platters but say something like upto 334GB platters
02-23-2008, 04:11 PM
comc49

when does this hardrive come out?

when it is comin out???? i need it bad !!!!!
02-23-2008, 05:21 PM
MaxxxRacer

why is this version of the F1 which uses the same platters and the 1TB version so much faster than all the other versions?? In any case, these F1 drives seem like the hot ticket currently
02-24-2008, 12:12 AM
largon

I guess it's just the 334GB platters + a good controller + well configured firmware.
02-24-2008, 12:22 AM
NapalmV5

4x F1 @ 10% + iop341 = 500MB/s easy and half the ms

will definetely get 4 of these..
02-24-2008, 12:41 AM
largon

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Originally Posted by NapalmV5

4x F1 @ 10%

Talk about cost-effectiveness...
:)
02-24-2008, 01:00 AM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starscream

Also samsungs own site doesnt say that all F1s use the 334GB platters but say something like upto 334GB platters

http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...eet_200708.pdf
02-24-2008, 01:18 AM
NapalmV5

Quote:

Originally Posted by largon

Talk about cost-effectiveness...
:)

am i in the 1GB F1 or the 320GB F1 thread?

if you wanna use @ 100% and xtronamical ms.. knock yourself out :)
02-24-2008, 02:07 AM
Holmer

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Originally Posted by Starscream

actualy its not.

The 320GB, 640 and 1TB version have these new 334GB platters.

the 250GB, 500GB and 750GB use the old 250GB platters.

So if u wanna get these speeds get the 320, 640 or 1TB version.

As Andreas also pointet out: http://techreport.com/articles.x/14200/1

"Given its use of 334GB platters, you would think Samsung would offer two additional F1 variants to accompany the terabyte model: a 334GB model using a single platter and a two-platter model with 668GB of capacity. And you would be wrong. Instead, Samsung is sticking to the industry-standard capacities embraced by its competitors, extending the F1 down to 750, 500, and 320GB. It's hard to see the rationale behind such a move. Those lower capacities leave a respective 250, 168, and 14GB of unused platter capacity on the table, which strikes us as unnecessarily wasteful."

All the Spinpoint F1 use 334GB platters, they just disable some part of each platter. Can someone please clear this up?
Therefore I will also ask if anyone have seen a review of the 750GB Spinpoint F1 (I have to decide between this and the WD 750GB RE2).
02-24-2008, 03:14 AM
MaxxxRacer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holmer

As Andreas also pointet out: http://techreport.com/articles.x/14200/1

"Given its use of 334GB platters, you would think Samsung would offer two additional F1 variants to accompany the terabyte model: a 334GB model using a single platter and a two-platter model with 668GB of capacity. And you would be wrong. Instead, Samsung is sticking to the industry-standard capacities embraced by its competitors, extending the F1 down to 750, 500, and 320GB. It's hard to see the rationale behind such a move. Those lower capacities leave a respective 250, 168, and 14GB of unused platter capacity on the table, which strikes us as unnecessarily wasteful."

All the Spinpoint F1 use 334GB platters, they just disable some part of each platter. Can someone please clear this up?
Therefore I will also ask if anyone have seen a review of the 750GB Spinpoint F1 (I have to decide between this and the WD 750GB RE2).

I'm gonna say the reason they have so much wasted space is because they have a high plater failure rate and use the partially bad platters and just disable all of the bad sectors. This way they can sell potentially junk platters and increase profits. Kind of like with the video cards with disabled quads.
02-24-2008, 03:42 AM
Syn.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mstp2009

Bad analogy (not surprising who it is coming from).

Those do not scale LINEARLLY.

Adding platters to a drive doesn't improve performance, just adds space. The drive only reads from one platter at a time, and therefore the platter transfer rates are virtually identical.

Therefore, if you know how one of the 334GB/platter drives performs, you know how the whole series using those platters will perform.

Very bad analogy especially as he calls the 3870 an hd3870xt lol.

Its nice to see that they are moving to single platters which should have some kind of performance gain compared multi-platter, pretty small i guess.

However i want to know how does this drive compare to Raptor and all drive reviews should have a Rapor as reference point so we know how far the 7200rpm drives have developed.
02-24-2008, 04:16 AM
largon

IF 500GB and 750GB'ers are indeed 334GB/platter then these would be ideal (if priced right) as short stroked drive is naturally faster compared to full stroked drive.

*sits down and waits for HDTach result from F1 750GB users*
02-24-2008, 04:38 AM
Starscream

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holmer

As Andreas also pointet out: http://techreport.com/articles.x/14200/1

"Given its use of 334GB platters, you would think Samsung would offer two additional F1 variants to accompany the terabyte model: a 334GB model using a single platter and a two-platter model with 668GB of capacity. And you would be wrong. Instead, Samsung is sticking to the industry-standard capacities embraced by its competitors, extending the F1 down to 750, 500, and 320GB. It's hard to see the rationale behind such a move. Those lower capacities leave a respective 250, 168, and 14GB of unused platter capacity on the table, which strikes us as unnecessarily wasteful."

All the Spinpoint F1 use 334GB platters, they just disable some part of each platter. Can someone please clear this up?
Therefore I will also ask if anyone have seen a review of the 750GB Spinpoint F1 (I have to decide between this and the WD 750GB RE2).

if all the F1 drives have the 334GB platters then why are they coming with a 250, 320, 500, 640, 750 and 1TB model?

further i have actualy seen benches of the 1TB and 750GB model on a dutch forum and the gap is considerable (all users had the same gap).

Further tech report nowhere has any info or proof on that all F1 HDs use the same platters its simply a conclusion that they themselves made.

praz
HAve you actualy read the pdf file urselves. i guess not cause then you would know that the pdf file talks only about the 1TB HD and not the entire f1 lineup.
The entire document they talk about THIS HD. and they keep compairing the F1 1TB to other 500GB HDs. Further in the key features bit they list the specs of the 1TB disc.

That document does have the name F1 Datasheet wich implies that its a docu about the F1 lineup but instead its just about the 1TB disc.

Dont get me wrong this entire confusion about 250 and 334GB platters has happened on many forums and many people thought that all the F1 HDs use these new platters but they dont and samsung doesnt want to inform people properly about it.

SImple logic
just compaire benches between the 750 and 1TB version and you will notice a considerable gap. further compaire the prices of the 1TB and 750GB HD.
That huge price diffrence (overhere the 1tb costs 195 and the 750 costs 105 euro). So if both the 1TB and 750GB use the same 3x334 platters then how can it be that the 1TB is almost twice as expensive.

Just to end the confusion click this link
Its a dutch forum but thats not important, on the first page ul see a bench of aa 750GB and a 1TB F1 HD. Just check the diffrence.

http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/.../1259539/0//f1

Few months ago i also saw the impressive 1TB scores and wanted to buy one.
Then i found a few forums were people were discussing the diffrent scores between the 750 and 1TB and the opinion on all those forums were that the 750GB musst use lower density platters.

maybe im wrong but up until now every review ive read showed that they dont perform the same. and i also havent seen a single word from Samsung about claiming that they use the same platters. the entire samsung site is vague about it and only talks in half assed terms like UP TO.
02-24-2008, 04:51 AM
Praz

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Originally Posted by Starscream

praz
HAve you actualy read the pdf file urselves. i guess not cause then you would know that the pdf file talks only about the 1TB HD and not the entire f1 lineup.
The entire document they talk about THIS HD. and they keep compairing the F1 1TB to other 500GB HDs. Further in the key features bit they list the specs of the 1TB disc.

That document does have the name F1 Datasheet wich implies that its a docu about the F1 lineup but instead its just about the 1TB disc.

No. I didn't read any of it. Just did a Google search and posted the first link that was found.

It's doubtful a manufacture, in a pdf specifically referring to the 334GB platers, would list a family of drives in a table and show the same performance specifications to be the same across the line if the drives were not the same.

Either wat really means nothing to me. Don't have time myself to waste in a thread that in reality means very little.
02-24-2008, 04:54 AM
Starscream

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praz

No. I didn't read any of it. Just did a Google search and posted the first link that was found.

It's doubtful a manufacture, in a pdf specifically referring to the 334GB platers, would list a family of drives in a table and show the same performance specifications to be the same across the line if the drives were not the same.

Either wat really means nothing to me. Don't have time myself to waste in a thread that in reality means very little.

and you stil havent read it.
in the PDF they DONT talk about the F1 lineup they purely talk about the F1 1TB.
That you dont find this thread interesting is ofc your choice but why post PDF files inhere to prove some point whne you havent even read the file urselves

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