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02-21-2008, 01:54 PM
WeStSiDePLaYa

Quote:

Originally Posted by zanzabar

why dont u guys like agp this card will go in my media box with its 3ghz 3500 and im geting a blue ray drive

also pci-e2>agp>pci-e

pci-e is slower than agp unless u need the extra 2GB/s that most cards wont use

Any proof? Or just talking crap?:rolleyes:

EDIT:

Also, I see measurable improvements from even overclocking my PCI-E bus. Even when I ran a geforce2 i got improvements from upping the AGP speed to 75mhz.
02-21-2008, 01:58 PM
Jamesrt2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indes

Is it really worth it with hardware prices these days? you can make a dual core am2 system for like 400 dollars canadian. Also, im pretty sure it is aging (the "ing" takes out the vowel at the end if i remember my English correctly)

Aging, or ageing (British English)

nope still with the e!

just a random exception to our silly language :)

cool card=]
run on a cheapo ASrock + cheap core duo dual core would be nice

Common Buses and their Max Bandwidth
PCI 132 MB/s
AGP 8X 2,100 MB/s
PCI Express 8x 2000 MB/s technically doubled as the information is serial so it's both directions
PCI Express 16x 4000 MB/s

I think it was?

and then link speed well I think it's kinda self explanatory isn't it with the "x8 x16" etc..
02-21-2008, 03:02 PM
-Acid-

I have a dothan that would love that card

hey even my shuttle would get a new lease of life too

wonder the price of it here tho ?
02-21-2008, 03:06 PM
MaxxxRacer

Seriously now, what tardbucket would buy this product?
02-21-2008, 03:07 PM
C Stat B

When I worked in a computer shop last year AGP X1950PRO's sold so well that I imagine these will do just as well.
02-21-2008, 03:07 PM
jcool

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa

Even when I ran a geforce2 i got improvements from upping the AGP speed to 75mhz.

That's because it was using AGP 2x or 4x at the most ;)
I remember my GF2 GTS running at 140Mhz AGP without even blinking :D
Had to because good old i440BX was missing AGP divider for higher than 100Mhz FSB ;)
02-21-2008, 03:10 PM
Dainas

All the people who wanted one of these I've talked to had Athlon XP systems, I told them to get a X1950pro instead as they would never see the difference :D

This could be understandable in a overclocked Athlon X2 system, but those are not too common with AGP either. BTW, any who would buy one of these would be no as much a "tardbucket" as those who bought a 7950GX2 for quad Sli on the eve of the G80.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownage

My testrig has an Asrock mobo with AGP and PCI-E. So i run a GF mx440 AGP with a conroe lol :ROTF:

You have a PCI slot on there too, so you could get allot more imaginative than that :P
02-21-2008, 04:03 PM
3NZ0

Quote:

Originally Posted by zanzabar

why dont u guys like agp this card will go in my media box with its 3ghz 3500 and im geting a blue ray drive

also pci-e2>agp>pci-e

pci-e is slower than agp unless u need the extra 2GB/s that most cards wont use

From wikipedia

Code:

AGP 8x 17,066 Mbit/s 2133 MB/s PCI Express (x16 link) 32,000 Mbit/s 4000 MB/s PCI Express 2.0 (x16 link) 64,000 Mbit/s 8000 MB/s

I don't know what you're smoking but man, is it strong stuff. :rolleyes:
02-21-2008, 07:26 PM
cky2k6

Quote:

Originally Posted by zanzabar

why dont u guys like agp this card will go in my media box with its 3ghz 3500 and im geting a blue ray drive

also pci-e2>agp>pci-e

pci-e is slower than agp unless u need the extra 2GB/s that most cards wont use

what in the hell are you talking about? if you're talking about the latency hit and data coherency problems that limit expansion device support like a sound card working well on pci-e, thats a good point, but it in no way affects the video card, which primarily just needs bandwidth...
02-21-2008, 10:19 PM
turtletrax

I fail to see the advantage for most keeping old CPU's and inferior RAM and duct tape and bubble gum a new GPU in there. A good system is about balance.

Give that old system away and buy a decent system, rather that having a franken-rig that just sucks alittle less than it did before. :shrug:
02-21-2008, 11:39 PM
gooface

who is going to buy this? what old pentium or athlon 64 wouldnt bottleneck it?
02-22-2008, 12:43 AM
Neova

If the price is right, would be a great upgrade to my Dothan rig.
02-22-2008, 06:56 AM
ZoLKoRn

first benching on it by AsRock 865Conroe + QX6700@3.0GHz :D

3k06 - 11815Mark wow :eek:
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...POC_QX6700.png

some game benched by COH on 1600x1200res. :D
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...oh1600test.png
setting for tested
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2461/cohtestrq1.th.png

btw. one question or give some ideal from all, How do you thing for testing it on review, i should used P4 cpu for real old-school performance or some small conroe cpu ? Thanks :)
02-22-2008, 07:28 AM
Brian MP5T

Omfg
02-22-2008, 07:32 AM
NiNe_iZe

nice score with CPU and RAM speed ,, :eek:

Keep pushing it !! :pimp:
02-22-2008, 07:35 AM
RAW-Raptor22

I might buy one for my PIII-S rig, overclocked it wont be a bottleneck, the PIIIs were P6 (Core) CPUs anyway. :)
02-22-2008, 07:38 AM
Jbunch07

i dont understand this, i had no idea agp was still in use!
02-22-2008, 07:39 AM
triple_A

ROFL 3ghz kentsfield + 1gb ddr1 :D

Nice score though.
02-22-2008, 09:18 AM
Epsilon84

Quote:

Originally Posted by [cTx] Raptor22

I might buy one for my PIII-S rig, overclocked it wont be a bottleneck, the PIIIs were P6 (Core) CPUs anyway. :)

LOL you're joking right.
02-22-2008, 07:09 PM
RAW-Raptor22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epsilon84

LOL you're joking right.

I normally am one to have a sense of humor about most things, but for this matter I am completely and honestly serious. :)

I like bottlenecking GPUs, like my PD820+8800GT combo? ;)
02-22-2008, 09:44 PM
Rob94hawk

My son has a dying X800XTPE in his rig along with an FX-53/1GB Corsair and runs his virtual Trainz 2004 everyday. Maybe along with this card upgrade to 2GB ram and a Opty 186 (939) and his trains should run extremely smooth @ 1600x1200 on the Dell 2001fp. I don't think the Antec Trueblue 480 would be able to handle it all though. Might have to get another Corsair 520W modular.

It's cheaper than replacing the whole rig anyway.
02-23-2008, 02:22 AM
[XC] gomeler

AGP goes "Uuuuuuugggggghhhhhh bbbrrrrraaaaaiiiinnnnsssss"
We need to make a new Resident Evil: AGP Chronicles
02-23-2008, 05:10 AM
triple_A

Quote:

Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler

AGP goes "Uuuuuuugggggghhhhhh bbbrrrrraaaaaiiiinnnnsssss"
We need to make a new Resident Evil: AGP Chronicles

:ROTF:
02-23-2008, 05:20 AM
dvs1313

Hi everyone, Uh I have a question here.

Im runing a Athlon 64 3000+ @ 2.35ghz, my ram is running at 470mhz

How much of a bottleneck would I get with this set up? 1gb 2x512mb 470mhz

I thought Athlon 64 > P4 so what kinda performance could I expect? Not sure it is worth upgrading or not if I wont see a big improvement.
02-23-2008, 06:41 AM
Epsilon84

Quote:

Originally Posted by dvs1313

Hi everyone, Uh I have a question here.

Im runing a Athlon 64 3000+ @ 2.35ghz, my ram is running at 470mhz

How much of a bottleneck would I get with this set up? 1gb 2x512mb 470mhz

I thought Athlon 64 > P4 so what kinda performance could I expect? Not sure it is worth upgrading or not if I wont see a big improvement.

I wouldn't bother if I were you. Your CPU and RAM will both be big bottlenecks. It makes no sense to match a modern GPU with such hardware.

A lot of the latest games require a dual core CPU and 2GB of RAM to run well.

Nowadays you can get a completely new platform for around $150, you can probably make half of that back by selling your old stuff on Ebay. That, plus the fact that PCI-E versions are cheaper than AGP, means you've hardly spent any extra, and got a completely up to date platform to boot.

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