Q4 2007 GPU shipments

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02-01-2008, 04:56 PM
v_rr

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

care to share where i can buy this one? :rolleyes:

all of my listed IGPs are avaible now.

if you want comprare the RS780 to an intel one wait for the next GMA in the G45 chipset, cause afaik both are slated for Q2 08. ;)

edit:

sry my fault, only the RD780D is slated for Q2 all others are for Q1.

still my comparison is valid as you can#t buy and RS780 boards. ;)

RS780 is selling now only in China. Not selling Europe and USA because hybrid crossfire Driver isn´t ready.
In 1 month those boards should be in Europe and USA.
02-01-2008, 05:13 PM
Hornet331

well we'll see how the G45 compares to the RS780 when both are released.

btw. the G45 is rumored to be 70% faster then the G35, and also should come with dx10 support out of the box.

And IGPs will still suck for gaming even with the RS780 or P45 or the the next nv igp.

I'm more interessted how both compare powerconsumption wise. Its intels 65nm vs tsmc 55nm process.
02-02-2008, 04:05 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by v_rr

RS780 is selling now only in China. Not selling Europe and USA because hybrid crossfire Driver isn´t ready.
In 1 month those boards should be in Europe and USA.

Anywhere special in China? I am in Shenzhen right now...and I havent seen RS780 based stuff anywhere in the electronic shops here, or in Guangzhou.
02-02-2008, 05:28 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by v_rr

if you know read maybe that post doesn´t even exist, but it´s very hard to talk to people the don´t even know read a single simple post :rolleyes:

Comparing Q3 2007 to Q4 2007:

Overall:
ATI grew from 19.1% -> 22.8% (up 3,7%)

Desktop:
ATI grew from 17.5% -> 19% (up 1,5%)

Mobile:
ATI grew from 23.4% -> 29% (up 6,4%)

thank you i can read, and instead of insulting somebody for not reading your post you might want to make sure you read and understood HIS post.

they didnt win any market share compared to last year
they actually lost market share but then managed to regain it and come out even compared to last year. thats what im referring to. the conclusion gives it a positive spin like ati is winning market share, when actually all they did was regain market share they had lost in the quarter(s) before.
02-02-2008, 05:59 AM
RaZz!

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Originally Posted by duploxxx

as usual reply's .... ever seen nvidia and amd onboard grapics? put those next to the intel ones and you'll notice when doing vista usage, office work and some entertainment (small games/dvd....)

but most of these notebooks will never face any video or games at all.

i think worldwide there are more notebooks used for business (e.g. using a notebook + dockingstation instead of a desktop pc) than for private uses.

at work me and a large number of our employees got a notebook + dockingstation (even though i got a desktop pc as well :p:)
why would you care about videos etc then? as long as office apps etc run like they're supposed to the costs of a nvidia/amd gpu (even if it's lowend) aren't worth it.
02-02-2008, 06:08 AM
Ugly n Grey

I disagree, while I play no games on my notebook, I do use it to watch movies while I travel in an airplane. The larger screen is much better suited to the half blind as I am, when you look around business class you see a lot of other guys doing the same thing, many catching up on sports games they missed and DL'ed off the TIVO is another example. Better graphics on laptops are used for things besides word processing.
02-02-2008, 08:20 AM
FischOderAal

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Originally Posted by Oc-Ghost

What does Mac´s use for internals? nV?

MacBook Pro: NVIDIA 8600M GT
MacBook: Intel GMA X3100
Mac Mini: Intel GMA 950
Apple-TV: NVIDIA 7300
iMac: HD-2400 XT 128 mb (20") ; HD-2600 Pro 256 mb (22")
Mac Pro: HD-2600 XT 256 mb ; GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB ; Quadro FX 5600 1500 mb

my MacBook still has a GMA950 and since I don't play any games on my Mac I don't care. though it's a noticeable performance impact if you use a second display, play a movie and then use Exposé. the X3100 should do better
02-02-2008, 10:28 AM
v_rr

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Originally Posted by saaya

thank you i can read, and instead of insulting somebody for not reading your post you might want to make sure you read and understood HIS post.

they didnt win any market share compared to last year
they actually lost market share but then managed to regain it and come out even compared to last year. thats what im referring to. the conclusion gives it a positive spin like ati is winning market share, when actually all they did was regain market share they had lost in the quarter(s) before.

And since when you make a yearly comparison when you have quarter by quarter comparisons?
It´s a much more acurate info and you can analise market much better.

ATI in 1 quarter recover from losses of 3 quarters before, and Nvidia droped in 1 quarter from 3 awsome quarters before. In a year-year comparison you can´t see these flutuations.

Say more than this is playing at fanboy wars. Also you still don´t know read beacause ther is refered the comparison Q3 -> Q4 2007.
And yes ATI gained market share comparing Q3-> Q4, and this will let you "predict" the tendence of the market to Q1 2008. Nvidia finish 2007 going down and ATI finish 2007 going up.
Probably same will happen in Q1 2008 with this market tendency and Nvidia product delays.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Anywhere special in China? I am in Shenzhen right now...and I havent seen RS780 based stuff anywhere in the electronic shops here, or in Guangzhou.

Read those Chinese reviews. They probably will say that.
02-02-2008, 10:39 AM
xlink

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Originally Posted by Oc-Ghost

What does Mac´s use for internals? nV?

unlikely since people going for hackintoshes are having to hack nV drivers for G80 and G92.

chances are the ol intel.

come on it's a mac, noone does graphics on those things and they're aimed at high profit margin, uninformed-but-too-much-money group.
02-02-2008, 11:17 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by v_rr

Read those Chinese reviews. They probably will say that.

Can you elaborate what reviews? Currently no review seen said they are being sold anywhere.

So if you know they are being sold, can you atleast show it? We dont have much else to do than visit shops here. Since China is one big deepfreezer and almost everything stands still with 100000s of people waiting to get home for spring festival.

I could easily pick some home then.
02-02-2008, 11:23 AM
Krizby87

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Originally Posted by v_rr

And since when you make a yearly comparison when you have quarter by quarter comparisons?
It´s a much more acurate info and you can analise market much better.

ATI in 1 quarter recover from losses of 3 quarters before, and Nvidia droped in 1 quarter from 3 awsome quarters before. In a year-year comparison you can´t see these flutuations.

Say more than this is playing at fanboy wars. Also you still don´t know read beacause ther is refered the comparison Q3 -> Q4 2007.
And yes ATI gained market share comparing Q3-> Q4, and this will let you "predict" the tendence of the market to Q1 2008. Nvidia finish 2007 going down and ATI finish 2007 going up.
Probably same will happen in Q1 2008 with this market tendency and Nvidia product delays.

Read those Chinese reviews. They probably will say that.

Yay, let's see when ATI recover money losses from 3 previous quarters in one quarter, that's what matter anyways. Apple has like 5% of the personal computing market and they make a crapload of money all year rounds, and I absolutely detest it >_>.
02-02-2008, 01:42 PM
saaya

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Originally Posted by v_rr

And since when you make a yearly comparison when you have quarter by quarter comparisons?

uhm, thats the common thing to do and its done for all financial results companies publish?
its done this time as well, they mentioned the year to year and quarter to quarter results...

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Originally Posted by v_rr

It´s a much more acurate info and you can analise market much better.

yes and no, as i said, from the conclusion they made it looks like ati grew a lot when they actually recovered from market share losses. which is great, the gains they achieved in one quarter are really good and i think they did a great job with the 3800 series... but you have to see things in perspective and the final conclusion here should be "ati managed to recover their market share within only one quarter" which is still good news. the conclusion they posted is making things look as good as possible, which is misleading and you shouldnt talk to your investors that way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by v_rr

ATI in 1 quarter recover from losses of 3 quarters before, and Nvidia droped in 1 quarter from 3 awsome quarters before. In a year-year comparison you can´t see these flutuations.

i never said quarter to quarter results dont matter... all i said was quarter to quarter isnt everything and was surprised that the conclusion of the numbers was based ONLY on the q to q results and not y to y + q to q.

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Originally Posted by v_rr

Say more than this is playing at fanboy wars. Also you still don´t know read beacause ther is refered the comparison Q3 -> Q4 2007.

uhm... yes i know, i read that and referred to it... why do you think i didnt read it? and why do you keep insulting me with stupid comments like "you cant read"? take a chill pill man!

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Originally Posted by v_rr

And yes ATI gained market share comparing Q3-> Q4, and this will let you "predict" the tendence of the market to Q1 2008. Nvidia finish 2007 going down and ATI finish 2007 going up.
Probably same will happen in Q1 2008 with this market tendency and Nvidia product delays.

i know, again, i never said q to q doesnt matter...

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