Lapped Ultra 120 - super cool & ultra quiet

wow i guess the laws of physics work differently where you live. is the sky blue there too?

i will have to inform toyota and the remainder of the industry, who no doubt spent millions in research, that they got it all wrong and the finish they strive for is just a huge waste on resources and a needless bigger carbon footprint

also i'll start informing other forums and communities that they got it all wrong too.

lastly i need to get in touch with intel and ask them whats going on ... despite their thermal tool working fine on everyone elses machine, it saw that my heatsink was mirror like and gave me false low low readings for the fun of it!! duping me into beliving what i've read and what my friends particular industry specialises in. oh what fools we have all been.

oh and what the phuck is epeen?

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wow i guess the laws of physics work differently where you live. is the sky blue there too?
< plus lots more off-topic ranting >

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Dood,

You spent all that time and energy, and completely avoided all the points I made.

It's fine that you don't intuitively understand heat-flow, or the physics of TIM, really! But to think that you can just waltz on the scene and start spouting nonsense, and actually insist that everyone assumes you know what you are talking about... is insane.

I -don't- claim to be an expert... but I've spent easily 400 hours in the last year studying and learning and testing. The spreadsheet where I track my tests and experiments over that time has more than 260 columns of tests. I've seen, very clearly, firsthand, the effects of rough and smooth lapping, on 3 different HSF's.

The temps I achieved on those 3 sinks, allowing for vcore and ambient and fan flow, were always near the best temps reliably reported. I have first-hand proof that flat is more important than shiney.

Now you can continue to act like a whiney little brat, or you can suck it up like a man, admit (at least to yourself) that you don't grasp the topic, and start learning. I hope you chose the latter, cause there's hundreds of people here who want to share their knowledge with you. You aren't going to lose a skirmish with me, 'cause that's not what's motivating me. I want to teach others what I know. I think that's a cool thing.

And, honestly? Lose the stupid nick. The lowest form of humor is scatalogical humor.

Epeen? Google, child.

There is definitely something wrong with those temps because it is under ambient. Unless you are blasting your A/C.:)

this is offtopic but what is that passive cooler ( i think its passive ) that you have on your gfx card.

Also your cpu temps are great especially for a passive cooler

and whats so offensive about the name it burns when i pee, i thought it was funny :x

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Dood,

You aren't going to lose a skirmish with me, cos i am the internets greatest keyboard warrior. i may be a 38 year old ginger loser, living in my parents basement in the real world, but online and behind my keyboard, i am a god, believe what i say is fact or else

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so your basing that fact that i only recently joined means i know nothing? theres logic.

epeen - i see, sorry but i have a girlfriend and have other interests, so forgive me for not being an internet nerd with profound l33t vocabulary.

HA this is great!!

i dont doubt you keep spreadsheets, sounds like you have way too much time on your hands (or incredibly anal retentive) or most likely both. the fact you take everything so seriously backs this up. i can imagine you updating your precious sheets after you spent another hour looking at your bios, another at forums, updating todays fan rpm, another ..... oh my god, get a life

using google i found like 3 pages of lapping guides all of which, are the same as what i did. strange that! also they are reporting the same or even better temps than i got. if you care to read the ones that use lower grit rating, they say its because its quicker to remove any paint / plating. its assuring though that the laws of physics work the same where they live.

i think you should google lapping guides and techniques and inform the 100's and 1000's that despite their success, what they've done is completely wrong and a waste of time, you are right and everyone else is wrong. dont forget to mention that your not a newbie to a forum therefore you MUST know more than them. also mention that the thermal transference isnt working and that their bios, thermal program etc is just tricking them into believing what they did works.

its same as it has with me, even though my temps are just a degree off from one another depending whether its speedfan, asus probe, intel's thermal tool or the bios - its a conspiracy pc's have against people who lap heatsinks to a better finish than yours.

lastly before i go to my girlfriends, everyone else seems to like my nickname, you don’t, whats that say? maybe you should get a sense of humor, but avoid budget or store brands, they just dont cut it. you'll have a better chance at fitting in with the rest of the world if you could losen up a bit

I thought it was better to lap in one direction only and use isopropyl instead of water. Just what I've heard. I'll be lapping my cpu (q6600) a couple weeks after it arrives. BTW, nice job OP.

cheers!

i used pure acetone because of its properties (and i already had some). only problem is that acetone evaporates in literally 2-3 seconds when applied and wiped but takes gung with it.

my mate lapped his heatsink just today and he used the dry lint free wipes you get for cleaning a tft. he said they were better than using kitchen roll. i got a box of them here and compared the two and i think he is right, so you may wanna try them???

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cheers!

i used pure acetone because of its properties (and i already had some). only problem is that acetone evaporates in literally 2-3 seconds when applied and wiped but takes gung with it.

my mate lapped his heatsink just today and he used the dry lint free wipes you get for cleaning a tft. he said they were better than using kitchen roll. i got a box of them here and compared the two and i think he is right, so you may wanna try them???

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Thanks for the tip. I'm still wondering though if lapping in ONE direction only (sliding the cpu/hs all the way to the other side and picking it up and sliding it the same way) is better than the circular motion you performed.

i did the circular motion because i read a few guides. the only difference to my method is i that i went straight to the smoothest stuff you can get.

the 2400 silicon carbide sheets my friend got for me, the acetone i had. i thought higher grit would be a waste to begin with because your only smoothing / flattening it later with finer stuff. if you think about it, very very fine layers i know, but your eroding more surface by grating away metal with more course sheets. so i just went straight to the finer stuff and ended up with a good surface. that was several pc's ago and did it ever since. im not the only person thats done this either. there is another who did it with the scythe.

i joined here initially to look into overclocking - havent done it since the early athlon xp and had a costly experience. whilst here i thought i'd contribute and share the success i had.

are you getting that new zalman cooler in your other thread? it looks like it would be really effective.

still didnt tell me what that passive cooler on your gpu was ;x

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i did the circular motion because i read a few guides. the only difference to my method is i that i went straight to the smoothest stuff you can get.

the 2400 silicon carbide sheets my friend got for me, the acetone i had. i thought higher grit would be a waste to begin with because your only smoothing / flattening it later with finer stuff. if you think about it, very very fine layers i know, but your eroding more surface by grating away metal with more course sheets. so i just went straight to the finer stuff and ended up with a good surface. that was several pc's ago and did it ever since. im not the only person thats done this either. there is another who did it with the scythe.

i joined here initially to look into overclocking - havent done it since the early athlon xp and had a costly experience. whilst here i thought i'd contribute and share the success i had.

are you getting that new zalman cooler in your other thread? it looks like it would be really effective.

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You make a very good point about the sanding part. But here is what I saw is a disadvantage with the circular motion which shouldn't affect performance noticeably but it might.

When it's done in a circular motion, I would think that molecular rings would be made that can not be seen with the human eye. These rings would trap hot molecular gas in a way.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8426/77348411qm4.gif

But when it's done in one motion, the lines that are made allow the air to relieve these gases of their heat.
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9782/a2tv2.gif

If I am wrong, please do tell because I really wanted to do it the circular motion way which should be easier :D I don't think that this will affect performance at all maybe 1C max.

About the Zalman, I dont know yet :p: . Price is more important than its performance currently IMO simply because when zalman made this thing, they knew it would be much better than the stock cooler (and that's all that matters to me). If it's expensive, I'll wait for G92 and see if it fits on that and make my judgment then ;)

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still didnt tell me what that passive cooler on your gpu was ;x

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You make a very good point about the sanding part. But here is what I saw is a disadvantage with the circular motion which shouldn't affect performance noticeably but it might.

When it's done in a circular motion, I would think that molecular rings would be made that can not be seen with the human eye. These rings would trap hot molecular gas in a way.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8426/77348411qm4.gif

But when it's done in one motion, the lines that are made allow the air to relieve these gases of their heat.
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9782/a2tv2.gif

If I am wrong, please do tell because I really wanted to do it the circular motion way which should be easier :D I don't think that this will affect performance at all maybe 1C max.

About the Zalman, I dont know yet :p: . Price is more important than its performance currently IMO simply because when zalman made this thing, they knew it would be much better than the stock cooler (and that's all that matters to me). If it's expensive, I'll wait for G92 and see if it fits on that and make my judgment then ;)


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I dont think that would be a problem considering you will be putting some thermal grease anywayz. :D

Figure-8 method, for the win.

hmmm i see your point with the sanding method. figure of 8 seems logical too but i think ultimately it would be the same as circular just different and probably easier method of doing it (my arm was aching afterwards). being copper i would imagine the transfer of heat through the material would be even regardless of method of lapping, but there is only one way to find out.

ideally somebody needs 3 untouched identical heatsinks and spend an equal amount of time lapping on each and test them all. maybe someone would be willing to give it a try? 3 different people wouldnt cut it because one may be pressing harder or finish sooner. whichever method you try i recommend you stop every minute or so and clean off the residue build up as you dont want to work that back in, it will slow the progress of your desired finish

i choose circular because of the guides i'd seen. thinking of when you sand down filler after patching up a car using rough to erode the excess then smooth to get it neat as possible for painting was why i decided to use only smooth. as i said it may be tiny layers but there are few people on here concerned about the heatsink having enough pressure on the processor, taking away more heatsink wont help that issue.

check this : http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=156774&page=2

its an awesome job lapping a q6600 in a straight line method. the finish was like my heatsink. i didnt go further on my processor as i didnt want to kill it, however, seeing his finish im thinking of taking it out sunday and lapping it. if i do i will try the straight method and post back with results.

as for my video card, sorry PyroFire. its an msi NX7950GT-VT2D512EZ-HD and came with that pre-installed. i got it at the beginning of the year when they were a bit expensive. i removed the heatsink to improve the finish and upon cleaning the heatpad they had on it, found it was practically mirror like anyway. i did a bit and would say i improved it by a fraction. but i think the arctic silver made the biggest difference on temperature over the heatpad.

you can see the card here:

http://msicomputer.co.uk/index.php?f...30&cat2_no=136

i've posted a new thread about a case i may purchase but will require some modding. check it out and tell me what you think.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...84#post2399184

Well I'm in trouble now. I've done 6h lapping job to HS. The temperature raised up. They used to be 68,68,66,66 with 1.45v @3.6ghz while now I can't even get that stable and on 1.40v@3.4 my temps are 78,78,69,69.

I can't really tell what is wrong. I'm sure that TR's mounting is very tight ( with my mod). Amount of AS5 is right ( used my own method again, but this time even less compound. After taking HS off, sometimes TIM is equally spread up sometimes not ( I've remounted everything 4 times since lapping).

have you cleaned both surfaces? too much or too little paste will produce bad results.

many guides out there say to apply half the thermal paste recommended for un modified heatsinks to one that is lapped to such a finish.

since your temps are really high, touch the cpu heatsink - if you can hold your hand on it then the heatsink isnt reaching those temperatures meaning you have a contact issue. if the heatsink has good contact then the temps of cpu and heatsink will be just a few degrees off from one another.

if your heatsink isnt as hot its possible either chip or heatsink is concave

I would rule out the clip ( mounting ) issue here, I'm sure you've seen photos of my TR's mounting.

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have you cleaned both surfaces? too much or too little paste will produce bad results.

many guides out there say to apply half the thermal paste recommended for un modified heatsinks to one that is lapped to such a finish.

since your temps are really high, touch the cpu heatsink - if you can hold your hand on it then the heatsink isnt reaching those temperatures meaning you have a contact issue. if the heatsink has good contact then the temps of cpu and heatsink will be just a few degrees off from one another.

if your heatsink isnt as hot its possible either chip or heatsink is concave

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nice job lapping, i can never get my laps to look mirror finish, maybe i need a higher grit sandpaper.

deffinately!

theres a guy on here that got a mirror finish like my heatsink on his Q6600

awesome! i intend to pull mine out and do the same. lost my nice temps since the overclock though, im getting 25 ish idle @ 3.2ghz & 1.45v core

cant get the thing to load windows at higher speeds than 3.2ghz, crashes. at least its free speed but still jealous of many other peoples overclocking results